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The obvious question is why would Spiritual messengers find women sexy?

I'm not sure finding "women sexy" was the issue. The goal was to corrupt the bloodline of the "woman".

In Gen 3:15, God told satan And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

The promised seed refers to our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. He is referred to as "her seed" in Gen 3:15.

In Gen 6, who did the angels who kept not their first estate go after? The daughters of men ... the purpose was to stop "her seed" by contaminating the bloodline. Only Noah's bloodline remained "perfect" (Noah was perfect in his generations ... no genetic contamination).

That attempt by satan was thwarted by God when He brought judgment through the flood, killed off all the nephilim, and bound the angels which kept not their first estate in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day (Jude 1:6).

 

[Hungry]

I'm not sure finding "women sexy" was the issue. The goal was to corrupt the bloodline of the "woman".

In Gen 3:15, God told satan And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

The promised seed refers to our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. He is referred to as "her seed" in Gen 3:15.

In Gen 6, who did the angels who kept not their first estate go after? The daughters of men ... the purpose was to stop "her seed" by contaminating the bloodline. Only Noah's bloodline remained "perfect" (Noah was perfect in his generations ... no genetic contamination).

That attempt by satan was thwarted by God when He brought judgment through the flood, killed off all the nephilim, and bound the angels which kept not their first estate in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day (Jude 1:6).
And when the sons of elohim (gods) saw that the daughters of men were fair (or sexy) they took many to be their wives.

 

[Hungry]

I'm not sure finding "women sexy" was the issue. The goal was to corrupt the bloodline of the "woman".

In Gen 3:15, God told satan And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

The promised seed refers to our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. He is referred to as "her seed" in Gen 3:15.

In Gen 6, who did the angels who kept not their first estate go after? The daughters of men ... the purpose was to stop "her seed" by contaminating the bloodline. Only Noah's bloodline remained "perfect" (Noah was perfect in his generations ... no genetic contamination).

That attempt by satan was thwarted by God when He brought judgment through the flood, killed off all the nephilim, and bound the angels which kept not their first estate in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day (Jude 1:6).

And when the sons of elohim (gods) saw that the daughters of men were fair (or sexy) they took many to be their wives.

 

[garee]

God sent two angels to Sodom:

Genesis 19:1 And there came two angels to Sodom at even

That you refuse to believe God sent His angels to Sodom to get Lot out of the city does not change God's angels into "men as messengers or evangelist to Sodom called angels".

Angels brought Lot out of Sodom.

It does change them it defines them who bring the gospel to the lost..

Yes two messenger as men . He sends them out as apostles two by two. Same as the great commission sent them out two by two with a message of God not seen . Two seems to represent the witness of God.

Like for instance when two or there gather together under the hearing of Faith, He is there protecting the integrity of His word.

Genesis 19 King James Version (KJV) And there came two angels to Sodom at even; and Lot sat in the gate of Sodom: and Lot seeing them rose up to meet them; and he bowed himself with his face toward the ground; And he said, Behold now, my lords, turn in, I pray you, into your servant's house, and tarry all night, and wash your feet, and ye shall rise up early, and go on your ways. And they said, Nay; but we will abide in the street all night. And he pressed upon them greatly; and they turned in unto him, and entered into his house; and he made them a feast, and did bake unleavened bread, and they did eat. But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter: And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them.

 

[garee]

And when the sons of elohim (gods) saw that the daughters of men were fair (or sexy) they took many to be their wives.

Yes born again sons of God . . .through the spiritual seed (Christ) the source. . mingled with daughters of men . Men (flesh) the source .

John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

Things of God not seen must be kept separate from the things of men seen or we can run into trouble like that of Peter who turned things upside down as if inspired from earth. . . . of the devil .

Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee. But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.Mathew 16:22-23

1 John 3:1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.

1 John 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

 

[Dino246]

Yes born again sons of God . . .through the spiritual seed (Christ) the source. . mingled with daughters of men . Men (flesh) the source .

John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

Things of God not seen must be kept separate from the things of men seen or we can run into trouble like that of Peter who turned things upside down as if inspired from earth. . . . of the devil .

Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee. But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.Mathew 16:22-23

1 John 3:1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.

1 John 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

Your comments only demonstrate that you are resistant to correction.

 

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And when the sons of elohim (gods) saw that the daughters of men were fair (or sexy) they took many to be their wives.

Genesis 6:2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

The word "fair" is the Hebrew word ṭôwb and it same word used throughout Gen 1 to describe all that God did in fashioning the heavens and the earth. When all was finished, Genesis 1:31 tells us And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

Everything God made was "fair" (ṭôwb) and satan attacked (and continues to attack) everything God calls ṭôwb.

I just believe that what the angels that sinned did had more to do with corrupting the bloodline than seeing women as "sexy".

Having said that, I thought about when satan tempted Eve. satan didn't go to Adam (man) first, satan went to Eve (woman) ... something to ponder.

 

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It does change them it defines them who bring the gospel to the lost..

The angels were not sent to Sodom to "bring the gospel to the lost". The angels were sent to Sodom to bring Lot out before God rained down fire and brimstone.

Lot was a righteous man living among the sinful (2 Peter 2:7-8). Lot witnessed to the people of Sodom as he sat in the gate.

However, the people did not listen, they turned from God to fulfill the lusts of the flesh. In Gen 19:9 the men men of the city accused Lot of judging them.

That is why God judged Sodom/Gomorrha. God did not bring judgment before He sent His Word to the people. However, the people would not listen and God condemned them with an overthrow (Greek katastrophē), making them an example (2 Peter 2:6).

The angels brought Lot and his family out of Sodom and told Lot to flee to the mountain. Here is what the angels told Lot after Lot asked if he could flee to the city instead of the mountain:

Genesis 19:

17 And it came to pass, when they had brought them forth abroad, that he said, Escape for thy life; look not behind thee, neither stay thou in all the plain; escape to the mountain, lest thou be consumed.

18 And Lot said unto them, Oh, not so, my Lord:

19 Behold now, thy servant hath found grace in thy sight, and thou hast magnified thy mercy, which thou hast shewed unto me in saving my life; and I cannot escape to the mountain, lest some evil take me, and I die:

20 Behold now, this city is near to flee unto, and it is a little one: Oh, let me escape thither, (is it not a little one?) and my soul shall live.

21 And he said unto him, See, I have accepted thee concerning this thing also, that I will not overthrow this city, for the which thou hast spoken.

22 Haste thee, escape thither; for I cannot do any thing till thou be come thither. Therefore the name of the city was called Zoar.

23 The sun was risen upon the earth when Lot entered into Zoar.

24 Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven;


Read verses 22-24 again. The fire and brimstone could not rain from heaven until after Lot had entered the city of Zoar.


You completely misconstrue God's Word in comparing what went on in Sodom with the great commission.

 

[Deade]

I see the fairy tale thread is alive and well.

 

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Yes born again sons of God . . .through the spiritual seed (Christ) the source. . mingled with daughters of men . Men (flesh) the source .

Let's say you're correct in your rendering of what went on at the time of the flood ... that the nephilim were the children born to sons of God (believing men) who came in unto the daughters of men (unbelieving women).

If that is the case, then

How come Noah and his family are the only believers saved? Did the believing fathers never teach their children and then all the believing fathers died so there were no believers alive except Noah and his family?

or

When God shut Noah, his family, and all the animals into the ark, He shut out believers and left them to die in the flood?


Also, if the sons of God mentioned in Gen 6:4 were not angels, then what did the angels that sinned do that caused God to cast them into hell and bind them in chains of darkness (2 Peter 2:4)?


I asked these questions in Post #178, Post #187, Post #194, Post #216, Post #219 ... Why won't anyone who believes the sons of God mentioned in Gen 6:4 were believing men and the daughters of men were unbelieving woman answer these questions?


There are too many unanswered questions in this rendering of what went on at the time of the flood.

 

[PennEd]

I see the fairy tale thread is alive and well. View attachment 205014

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This sounds exactly like what an unbeliever would say about that Biblical fairy tale of God becoming flesh in the form of a baby born to a virgin, crucified to pay the world's sin debt, and resurrected to life on the 3rd day!

Only it's not a fairy tale. Because we believe it.
Same here. Scripture solidly supports fallen angels mating with women producing a hybrid race. You may believe it or no. But please do not mock those of us who know it to be true.

 

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This sounds exactly like what an unbeliever would say about that Biblical fairy tale of God becoming flesh in the form of a baby born to a virgin, crucified to pay the world's sin debt, and resurrected to life on the 3rd day!

Only it's not a fairy tale. Because we believe it.
Same here. Scripture solidly supports fallen angels mating with women producing a hybrid race. You may believe it or no. But please do not mock those of us who know it to be true.

I was thinking "so now God's Word is a fairy tale"??? No wonder we see what goes on in our day and time!!!

 

[Hungry]

Genesis 6:2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

The word "fair" is the Hebrew word ṭôwb and it same word used throughout Gen 1 to describe all that God did in fashioning the heavens and the earth. When all was finished, Genesis 1:31 tells us And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

Everything God made was "fair" (ṭôwb) and satan attacked (and continues to attack) everything God calls ṭôwb.

I just believe that what the angels that sinned did had more to do with corrupting the bloodline than seeing women as "sexy".

Having said that, I thought about when satan tempted Eve. satan didn't go to Adam (man) first, satan went to Eve (woman) ... something to ponder.

I really don’t care how it is rationalized. Possibly God controls what he creates because He has intellectual property rights to it. Perhaps if something is genetically changed, they have rights to it. The only doctrinal piece that is solid is that it plainly states there were special offspring from the product of sons of elohim and daughters of men. Everything else is conjecture and there’s no point debating theory.

 

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I really don’t care how it is rationalized. Possibly God controls what he creates because He has intellectual property rights to it. Perhaps if something is genetically changed, they have rights to it. The only doctrinal piece that is solid is that it plainly states there were special offspring from the product of sons of elohim and daughters of men. Everything else is conjecture and there’s no point debating theory.

Right. All we know is what God allows us to know as stated in Scripture. Something went on which involved angels that sinned resulting in God casting them into hell, binding them in chains of darkness, utterly destroying the offspring (nephilim), and saving only Noah and his family (Noah was righteous, perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God - Gen 6:9).

 

[garee]

Every scholar does NOT recognize that they are men in Genesis 6. Where did you get that nonsense?

But I'm glad you posted that passage. We are currently seeing the same type of sin that led to God having to wipe out ALL corrupted flesh. The sin of altering His creation through DNA manipulation.

You would have to have your head in the sand not to know how we are mixing species DNA, EVEN with human DNA. And if God doesn't intervene.....
Matthew 24:22 New King James Version (NKJV)
22 And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the [a]elect’s sake those days will be shortened.

We all come from one female Eve the mother of flesh and blood. DNA manipulation, mixing species DNA?

What would happen if God did not intervein? Seeing they were there after the flood . Where are they today ? What kind of a blood test would decipher between species of different kinds?

 

[garee]

I really don’t care how it is rationalized. Possibly God controls what he creates because He has intellectual property rights to it. Perhaps if something is genetically changed, they have rights to it. The only doctrinal piece that is solid is that it plainly states there were special offspring from the product of sons of elohim and daughters of men. Everything else is conjecture and there’s no point debating theory.

Yes men of renown referring to sons of God the believers .It what we are as Christians

1 John 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

Its not something we should hide from rather than behold as a blessing.

1 John 3:1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.

The world is not known as the mighty men of renown of God .It is used 11 times to represent a believer Like David or other prophets

Genesis 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God (beleivers) came in unto the daughters of men, (unbeleivers) and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

Numbers 1:16 These were the renowned of the congregation, princes of the tribes of their fathers, heads of thousands in Israel.

Numbers 16:2 And they rose up before Moses, with certain of the children of Israel, two hundred and fifty princes of the assembly, famous in the congregation, men of renown:

The term renown is never used in respect to unbelievers, daughters of men

Isaiah 14:20 Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people: the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned.

Ezekiel 16:14 And thy renown went forth among the heathen for thy beauty: for it was perfect through my comeliness, which I had put upon thee, saith the Lord God.

Just as before the flood they used their beauty as renown to every passer by daughters of men. What we would call unevenly yoked

Ezekiel 16:15But thou didst trust in thine own beauty, and playedst the harlot because of thy renown, and pouredst out thy fornications on every one that passed by; his it was.


Ezekiel 26:17And they shall take up a lamentation for thee, and say to thee, How art thou destroyed, that wast inhabited of seafaring men, the renowned city, which wast strong in the sea, she and her inhabitants, which cause their terror to be on all that haunt it!

Ezekiel 34:29 And I will raise up for them a plant of renown, and they shall be no more consumed with hunger in the land, neither bear the shame of the heathen any more.

Ezekiel 39:13 Yea, all the people of the land shall bury them; and it shall be to them a renown the day that I shall be glorified, saith the Lord God.

Daniel 9:15 And now, O Lord our God, that hast brought thy people forth out of the land of Egypt with a mighty hand, and hast gotten thee renown, as at this day; we have sinned, we have done wickedly.

 

[garee]

God sent two angels to Sodom:

Genesis 19:1 And there came two angels to Sodom at even

That you refuse to believe God sent His angels to Sodom to get Lot out of the city does not change God's angels into "men as messengers or evangelist to Sodom called angels".

Angels brought Lot out of Sodom.

Genisis 19: 5 And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them.

Yes men messenger brought Lot out of Sodom.. He uses woman messengers also .

Sends them out two by two .

Deborah would be one of renown messengers.

You can also call them evangelist ministers of the gospel

 

[Deade]

This sounds exactly like what an unbeliever would say about that Biblical fairy tale of God becoming flesh in the form of a baby born to a virgin, crucified to pay the world's sin debt, and resurrected to life on the 3rd day!

Only it's not a fairy tale. Because we believe it.
Same here. Scripture solidly supports fallen angels mating with women producing a hybrid race. You may believe it or no. But please do not mock those of us who know it to be true.

PennEd, just as you "know" it to be true, I know it to not be true. The scriptural text does not confirm your findings. Rant back at me all you want, but it is still speculation on both our parts because we just don't have enough info.

I gave you affirmation that demons could experience sex through possessing humans. That is why the sex references are there. Only in Job and Genesis are any OT references to "Sons of God." This is after their fall and I am sure God does not call them sons after they rebelled. I stand on that premise.

 

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Genisis 19: 5 And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them.

Genesis 19:1 And there came two angels to Sodom at even

 

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Genesis 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God (beleivers) came in unto the daughters of men, (unbeleivers) and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

The term renown is never used in respect to unbelievers, daughters of men

Since, according to you, the "the term renown is never used in respect to unbelievers" then why were the "mighty men which were of old, men of renown" utterly destroyed in the flood when God brought the flood upon the world of the ungodly (2 Peter 2:5)???