Did Jesus ever tell us that we no longer need to keep the law of Moses?

[NayborBear]

lol,

again you people are funny

he is responding to ME, so it is part of MY conversation.
he also stated things about me which was untrue.

but you all love to blame shift, you do it all the time her you go again, you refuse to admit when your wrong,, then demand people should listen to you,,



As long as you hold on to a works based gospel you will never see anything, or understand grace,

you look at me through what YOU think OSAS means, (you have proven you do not know that either)

so you can not see beyond your preconcieved ideas, thats WHYyou can not understand people,

i can not help you understand what i and others really believe until you take the blinders of your eyes

until then

1. you will continue to not understand, in turn
2. you will continue to misrepresent people which i. Turn
3. you will continually be forced to blame shift, because you can not stand on what you think because if you admit your wrong, well a pharisee would never admit that would he?

good luck man. i am praying for all of you, Saul and Nicodemus found the light and was healed, so there is hope for you also.

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Jude
3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should EARNESTLY CONTEND for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.
OSAS is really "into" that "common salvation", and not so much into "earnestly coveting", is it?
OSAS, is really "into" "love covers a multitude of sin", aren't they? It IS this "belief", that they are willing to even "carry/commit" SIN that love DOESN'T cover. Content to "take it to the grave" with them. And don't even "realize" that THIS is WHAT they are ACTUALLY saying:
Isaiah 28
15 Because ye have said, We have made a covenant with death, and with hell are we at agreement; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves:
NEVER EVER UNDERSTANDING THE "SIN/S" THAT LOVE DOESN'T COVER! NOR "APPARENTLY?" EVER GIVING IT A SECOND THOUGHT! But, rather FORSAKING "QUALITY" for "QUANTITY!"

How am I doing so far EG?

1 Corinthians 14
5 I would that ye all spake with tongues but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, EXCEPT he interpret, THAT THE CHURCH MAY RECEIVE EDIFYING.
THIS is what several of us are DOING! INTERPRETING!
And, if they don't know it? It's "high time" they understand it now!
We're TRYING to "EDIFY" "called out ones!" Not any "CHURCH BUILDING!" Or any "particular" assemblage of believers!
Try to do it using our own words? The "come back?" "USE SCRIPTURE!"
Try to do it using "Scripture?" The "come back?" "It's OUT OF CONTEXT!" And? "NOW your just working FOR, and TRYING to maintain YOUR OWN salvation!"
"LEAGALISTS!" "JUDEIZERS!" "GNOSTICS!" "HYPOCRITES!" The list goes on!

 

[NayborBear]

You mean individual rapture?

Of "called out ones?" YEAH! Kinda sorta! And as can be witnessed on this very thread, which you started (kudo's to you by the way). It's not the same definition of what's commonly referred to as "rapture."
My "mission" is 2 to 3-fold.
Doing the Father's bidding of making "as a footstool", the "enemies" of Christ.
Interpreting the "speaking in tongues" which goes on within myself, in trying (but not getting very good traction btw) to "edify" "called out ones." aka "the Church." FOR His "bride."
The very "tip of the spear point", of bringing down the curtain of "HIS-story", for this "current act" of "HIS-story."

(tic,tic,tic,tic,tic......60 minutes)

 

[Marcelo]

Of "called out ones?" YEAH! Kinda sorta! And as can be witnessed on this very thread, which you started (kudo's to you by the way). It's not the same definition of what's commonly referred to as "rapture."
My "mission" is 2 to 3-fold.
Doing the Father's bidding of making "as a footstool", the "enemies" of Christ.
Interpreting the "speaking in tongues" which goes on within myself, in trying (but not getting very good traction btw) to "edify" "called out ones." aka "the Church." FOR His "bride."
The very "tip of the spear point", of bringing down the curtain of "HIS-story", for this "current act" of "HIS-story."

(tic,tic,tic,tic,tic......60 minutes)

Well, I think that for our God -- who created this whole universe out of nothing -- there's no difference between individual and collective rapture. For Him one day is like a thousand years, so it doesn't matter if His children are raptured simultaneously or not.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Jude
3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should EARNESTLY CONTEND for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.
OSAS is really "into" that "common salvation", and not so much into "earnestly coveting", is it?

wrong,

OSAS, is really "into" "love covers a multitude of sin", aren't they? It IS this "belief", that they are willing to even "carry/commit" SIN that love DOESN'T cover. Content to "take it to the grave" with them. And don't even "realize" that THIS is WHAT they are ACTUALLY saying:
Isaiah 28
15 Because ye have said, We have made a covenant with death, and with hell are we at agreement; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves:
NEVER EVER UNDERSTANDING THE "SIN/S" THAT LOVE DOESN'T COVER! NOR "APPARENTLY?" EVER GIVING IT A SECOND THOUGHT! But, rather FORSAKING "QUALITY" for "QUANTITY!"

so what sins does love not cover? What sin did jesus death not atone?

How am I doing so far EG?

less than 50% from these two things, and we have not even got to the meat of our belief.

1 Corinthians 14
5 I would that ye all spake with tongues but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, EXCEPT he interpret, THAT THE CHURCH MAY RECEIVE EDIFYING.
THIS is what several of us are DOING! INTERPRETING!
And, if they don't know it? It's "high time" they understand it now!
We're TRYING to "EDIFY" "called out ones!" Not any "CHURCH BUILDING!" Or any "particular" assemblage of believers!
Try to do it using our own words? The "come back?" "USE SCRIPTURE!"
Try to do it using "Scripture?" The "come back?" "It's OUT OF CONTEXT!" And? "NOW your just working FOR, and TRYING to maintain YOUR OWN salvation!"
"LEAGALISTS!" "JUDEIZERS!" "GNOSTICS!" "HYPOCRITES!" The list goes on!

you claim salvation can be lost correct?

your not interpreting your forcing words, and misinterpreting what we believe, you made 2 statements and you could not even get them right.

what do you think it took for the tax collector to come to his knees, to do as jesus said, to become ”poor (literally bankrupt) in spirit”?

You want me to think you have done that? You will have to show me you have more faith in god and less faith in self. Then maybe i will see

 

[SimpleGardner]

So you are perfect?
and what makes you think Grandpa loves his sin and by practice is not a law keeper?

You and many others on here confess regular sin. You confessed a besetting sin, some have even confessed daily multiple recurring sins...

When a man records this instead of walking the path of righteousness he remains carnal.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You and many others on here confess regular sin. You confessed a besetting sin, some have even confessed daily multiple recurring sins...

When a man records this instead of walking the path of righteousness he remains carnal.

When a man refuses to confess their sin or deny it, he is no different than the pharisee, who when asked if they obeyed the law. Said yes, even though they did not, or the pharisee pumping his chest.

abraham sinned, david had a besetting sin (sec with many wives) when will you confess your sin instead of tring to show christian chat how righteous you think you are

if we say we have no sin we decieve ourselves,

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Got to love when someone

1. can not answer your questions
2. lies or proves he is ignorant about someone else believes

then that person calls him out, and he gives a red X

just showes how serious the problem is

 

[wokinluv]

When a man refuses to confess their sin or deny it, he is no different than the pharisee, who when asked if they obeyed the law. Said yes, even though they did not, or the pharisee pumping his chest.

abraham sinned, david had a besetting sin (sec with many wives) when will you confess your sin instead of tring to show christian chat how righteous you think you are

if we say we have no sin we decieve ourselves,

lack of liberty is following the law. You either have to water it down, or continue to be bound by its requirements, which no one can do,

It's really amazing how you can easily change colours like the chameleons. At one time you are the sinner and not a sinless perfectionist as you call it, while at other times you are the obedient one who establishes the law by your faith. Sometimes a servant and sometimes a Lord and so on and so forth.
Wow. Lol.

lol,

again you people are funny

he is responding to ME, so it is part of MY conversation.
he also stated things about me which was untrue.

but you all love to blame shift, you do it all the time her you go again, you refuse to admit when your wrong,, then demand people should listen to you,,

As long as you hold on to a works based gospel you will never see anything, or understand grace,

you look at me through what YOU think OSAS means, (you have proven you do not know that either)

so you can not see beyond your preconcieved ideas, thats WHYyou can not understand people,

i can not help you understand what i and others really believe until you take the blinders of your eyes

until then

1. you will continue to not understand, in turn
2. you will continue to misrepresent people which i. Turn
3. you will continually be forced to blame shift, because you can not stand on what you think because if you admit your wrong, well a pharisee would never admit that would he?

good luck man. i am praying for all of you, Saul and Nicodemus found the light and was healed, so there is hope for you also.

[/QUOTE][/QUOTE]
You keep pushing your belief to other's and you are all over the place exalting your own words which you believe is the truth, over the scriptures then tell people that they do not listen (to your ???wisdom, that's why you're being misunderstood), they misrepresent you, they blameshift and would not admit their error and they attack you.

So here's another "meaningless" (according to you) scripture you would surely love...

Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter. Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes and clever in their own sight. Woe to those who are heroes at drinking wine and champions at mixing drinks, who acquit the guilty for a bribe, but deny justice to the innocent. Therefore, as tongues of fire lick up straw and as dry grass sinks down in the flames, so their roots will decay and their flowers blow away like dust; for they have rejected the law of the Lord Almighty and spurned the word of the Holy One of Israel. Isaiah 5:20-24

 

[wokinluv]

Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them. For it is shameful even to mention what the disobedient do in secret. But everything exposed by the light becomes visible, for it is light that makes everything visible. This is why it is said: “Wake up, O sleeper, rise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you.” Ephesians 5:11-14

 

[wokinluv]

Love must be sincere. Hate what is evil; cling to what is good. Romans 12:9

 

[eternally-gratefull]

It's really amazing how you can easily change colours like the chameleons. At one time you are the sinner and not a sinless perfectionist as you call it, while at other times you are the obedient one who establishes the law by your faith. Sometimes a servant and sometimes a Lord and so on and so forth.
Wow. Lol.

you must sit there looking for things to attack, do you get an AHAH! Moment, and think, i got you now?

i established he law with my faith almost 40 years ago, when i came to christ. Of course i have told you this numerous times now, it just oroves you do not listen.

since then, like paul, at times, i struggle to do what i want to do, and i find it hard at times to not do what i don't want to do, i mean its ok to admit you still sin, David did, in fact most all people we are shown all their sins, about the only one we are not told specific was daniel, but in daniel 9 he still confessed his sins.

why can’t you be like them, then judge me because i wish to be transparent and not self righteous hiding my sins or denying them?

You keep pushing your belief to other's and you are all over the place exalting your own words which you believe is the truth, over the scriptures then tell people that they do not listen (to your ???wisdom, that's why you're being misunderstood), they misrepresent you, they blameshift and would not admit their error and they attack you.

So here's another "meaningless" (according to you) scripture you would surely love...

Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter. Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes and clever in their own sight. Woe to those who are heroes at drinking wine and champions at mixing drinks, who acquit the guilty for a bribe, but deny justice to the innocent. Therefore, as tongues of fire lick up straw and as dry grass sinks down in the flames, so their roots will decay and their flowers blow away like dust; for they have rejected the law of the Lord Almighty and spurned the word of the Holy One of Israel. Isaiah 5:20-24

dude, your the one exulting yourself

i just share my faith, and when you reapond with a bunch of scripture which has nothing at all to do with what i am saying, in fact, i believe the wcripture you use
your the one pushing scripture out of context and teying to push your belief, i am just trying to share how i disagree with your belief, and trying to get you to at least acknowledge you understand mine, which you continually fail to do

then You get mad when i do this and lie?

you just hurt your own integrity and honor.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them. For it is shameful even to mention what the disobedient do in secret. But everything exposed by the light becomes visible, for it is light that makes everything visible. This is why it is said: “Wake up, O sleeper, rise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you.” Ephesians 5:11-14

Yep, that is what we are trying to do with legalism. Have nothing to do and expose it.

at the same time, we enter the gates if hell and try to be used by god to rescue people out of it,

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Love must be sincere. Hate what is evil; cling to what is good. Romans 12:9

Yep,

amen, this is me

 

[NayborBear]

It's really amazing how you can easily change colours like the chameleons. At one time you are the sinner and not a sinless perfectionist as you call it, while at other times you are the obedient one who establishes the law by your faith. Sometimes a servant and sometimes a Lord and so on and so forth.
Wow. Lol.

[/QUOTE]
You keep pushing your belief to other's and you are all over the place exalting your own words which you believe is the truth, over the scriptures then tell people that they do not listen (to your ???wisdom, that's why you're being misunderstood), they misrepresent you, they blameshift and would not admit their error and they attack you.

So here's another "meaningless" (according to you) scripture you would surely love...

Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter. Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes and clever in their own sight. Woe to those who are heroes at drinking wine and champions at mixing drinks, who acquit the guilty for a bribe, but deny justice to the innocent. Therefore, as tongues of fire lick up straw and as dry grass sinks down in the flames, so their roots will decay and their flowers blow away like dust; for they have rejected the law of the Lord Almighty and spurned the word of the Holy One of Israel. Isaiah 5:20-24[/QUOTE]

This is why this is so unbelievably sad, man!
Believing a "lie",(those that aren't willfully ignorant) "think", when not actually believing, they are trying to "save us from ourselves!"

 

[wokinluv]

Got to love when someone

1. can not answer your questions
2. lies or proves he is ignorant about someone else believes

then that person calls him out, and he gives a red X

just showes how serious the problem is

You are just asking questions so that you can later on insult, demean, mock, abuse and boast instead of edification. No, Thanks.

Just look at your grudge about the red x. Did you not ask?

does anyone disagree?

 

[NayborBear]

wrong,


so what sins does love not cover? What sin did jesus death not atone?



less than 50% from these two things, and we have not even got to the meat of our belief.



you claim salvation can be lost correct?

your not interpreting your forcing words, and misinterpreting what we believe, you made 2 statements and you could not even get them right.

what do you think it took for the tax collector to come to his knees, to do as jesus said, to become ”poor (literally bankrupt) in spirit”?

You want me to think you have done that? You will have to show me you have more faith in god and less faith in self. Then maybe i will see

What sin does love not cover? Aside from the "unforgivable sin?" Yer asking the wrong guy! Ask He who sent Jesus! And, pray He answers you.
While yer askin'? Ask the Holy Spirit when and where you "grieved" it. Don't "pray" to the Holy Spirit! That's definitely a no no!
Philippians 2
12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, WORK OUT your OWN salvation with fear and trembling. Or, "rest on your laurels!"
Context may insinuate a "corporate" setting.
Works even better at the personal level!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You are just asking questions so that you can later on insult, demean, mock, abuse and boast instead of edification. No, Thanks.

Just look at your grudge about the red x. Did you not ask?

No,

i just wanted you to for once share what you believe,

but just like your buddy, you do not think you have to answer

again, you hurt yourself

 

[eternally-gratefull]

What sin does love not cover? Aside from the "unforgivable sin?" Yer asking the wrong guy! Ask He who sent Jesus! And, pray He answers you.
While yer askin'? Ask the Holy Spirit when and where you "grieved" it. Don't "pray" to the Holy Spirit! That's definitely a no no!
Philippians 2
12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, WORK OUT your OWN salvation with fear and trembling. Or, "rest on your laurels!"
Context may insinuate a "corporate" setting.
Works even better at the personal level!

Yawn

the only unforgivable sin is blasphemy against the spirit,

and ph 2 tells us to work out the salvation in us

i work on this every day

while you work FOR salvation

next

 

[NayborBear]

No,

i just wanted you to for once share what you believe,

but just like your buddy, you do not think you have to answer

again, you hurt yourself

He does! What he can't do is make you believe it! And, because you can't see it? Doesn't make it false!
Except for you and others like you!
1 Samuel 15
23 For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the Lord, he hath also rejected thee from being king.
This has much wider implications, then just Samuel telling Saul!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

He does! What he can't do is make you believe it! And, because you can't see it? Doesn't make it false!
Except for you and others like you!
1 Samuel 15
23 For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the Lord, he hath also rejected thee from being king.
This has much wider implications, then just Samuel telling Saul!

Yeah he does

except when i asked him if he considers himself a tax collector or pharisee, then silence.

then you and he both continue to prove you have no idea what i believe,

THATS the issue dude