Not By Works

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Pisteuo said:
You haven't yet explained how what I'm sharing with you is a work that adds to Grace.
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I your serve HIM out of any motive, except Godly LOVE FOR HIM, it is a work.


Romans 4:4-5 (HCSB)
4 Now to the one who works, pay is not considered as a gift, but as something owed.
5 But to the one who does not work, but believes on Him who declares the ungodly to be righteous, his faith is credited for righteousness.

Romans 11:6 (HCSB)
6 Now if by grace, then it is not by works; otherwise grace ceases to be grace.
 
Noose said:
How is it a mistranslation? Kindly explain.
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Pistis is the Greek word translated" Faith " in the English. Pistis is used 245 times and is a noun.

Pistis, has a corresponding verb, " pisteuo." Pisteuo is used 248 times in the NT.

When the translators needed a corresponding verb to the noun Faith, there wasn't one. The words they needed to translate pisteuo correctly are faithe, faither, and faithing. Because those words are not in the English language, they had to choose other words, a secondary choice.

The words they chose are believe, believer, and believing. These words are not corresponding verbs to the noun Faith, they are corresponding verbs to the noun Belief.

True NT saving Faith is a verb! A verb is a specific act, based upon a specific belief, sustained by a specific kind of confidence.

So as you can see, belief or believing is a part of pisteuo,but taken on it's own is an error.

True NT pisteuo specifically is found in the Vines Greek dictionary. Pisteuo is "A personal surrender to Him and a life inspired by such surrender."

Questions.
 
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Pisteuo said:
Pistis is the Greek word translated" Faith " in the English. Pistis is used 245 times and is a noun.

Pistis, has a corresponding verb, " pisteuo." Pisteuo is used 248 times in the NT.

When the translators needed a corresponding verb to the noun Faith, there wasn't one. The words they needed to translate pisteuo correctly are faithe, faither, and faithing. Because those words are not in the English language, they had to choose other words, a secondary choice.

The words they chose are believe, believer, and believing. These words are not corresponding verbs to the noun Faith, they are corresponding verbs to the noun Belief.

True NT saving Faith is a verb! A verb is a specific act, based upon a specific belief, sustained by a specific kind of confidence.

So as you can see, belief or believing is a part of pisteuo,but taken on it's own is an error.

True NT pisteuo specifically is found in the Vines Greek dictionary. Pisteuo is "A personal surrender to Him and a life inspired by such surrender."

Questions.
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No questions at the moment but if i think of one, i will surely ask. What i have come to realize is that what is taught today as faith has nothing to do with what Jesus or the apostles taught.
 
VCO said:
I your serve HIM out of any motive, except Godly LOVE FOR HIM, it is a work.


Romans 4:4-5 (HCSB)
4 Now to the one who works, pay is not considered as a gift, but as something owed.
5 But to the one who does not work, but believes on Him who declares the ungodly to be righteous, his faith is credited for righteousness.

Romans 11:6 (HCSB)
6 Now if by grace, then it is not by works; otherwise grace ceases to be grace.
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Read post 110645 and my posts that followed that first one up so I don't have to keep repeating myself. Thanks.
 
Noose said:
No questions at the moment but if i think of one, i will surely ask. What i have come to realize is that what is taught today as faith has nothing to do with what Jesus or the apostles taught.
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You couldn't be more correct! Because pisteuo couldn't be translated into the English language, we've lost the entire understanding of how an act of Faith,"pisteuo" is applied.

Faith or Faithing is something we do hundreds of times every day. Each act of faithing has its own specific act, specific belief, and a specific kind of confidence. Each one also has a specific object of Faith.

We were created to be faithers, that all we do all day long.
 
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Lightskin said:
And people on CC wonder why I cop an attitude around here, because the constant barrage of this garbage ticks me off.
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Ticked off because you can't have it your way?
Sin is two parts, we fall short of the glory of God, "and" we want everyone to go our own way. Now you know the truth, what are you going to do ?
 
Pisteuo said:
Question for the shark tank?

The word in he Greek that is used to communicate what saving Faith is, "pisteuo", is defined as a" personal surrender to Him and a life inspired by such surrender" in the Vines Greek dictionary.

My question is: In your eyes, is a daily surrendering of our lives to God and living a life that supports that committment to God a works based salvation? An addition to the work Christ did on the cross?

Keeping in mind, if the daily surrendered life is genuine, the life nolonger belongs to the surrenderer, but to God. So the work and effort would be mostly courage (what Christ repeatedly tells His flock to have) about 90%. And about 4% tinacity, and 1% everything else.

Is this description a work that adds to Grace, the finished work of Christ on Calvary?
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Pisteuo said:
Question for the shark tank?

The word in he Greek that is used to communicate what saving Faith is, "pisteuo", is defined as a" personal surrender to Him and a life inspired by such surrender" in the Vines Greek dictionary.

My question is: In your eyes, is a daily surrendering of our lives to God and living a life that supports that committment to God a works based salvation? An addition to the work Christ did on the cross?

Keeping in mind, if the daily surrendered life is genuine, the life nolonger belongs to the surrenderer, but to God. So the work and effort would be mostly courage (what Christ repeatedly tells His flock to have) about 90%. And about 4% tinacity, and 1% everything else.

Is this description a work that adds to Grace, the finished work of Christ on Calvary?
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What about the other 5%
 
Pisteuo said:
My bad, 95% courage, 4% tinacity, and 1% everything else.
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Why do you think Strongs and Vines interpret Pisteuo differently?

2 Thess. 2:11,12; (2) a personal surrender to Him, from Noeo.net.
Which I assume is your understanding of Vines as this website explains it as that.

g4100. πιστεύω pisteuō; from 4102; to have faith (in, upon, or with respect to, a person or thing), i.e. credit; by implication, to entrust (especially one's spiritual well-being to Christ): — believe(-r), commit (to trust), put in trust with.
AV (248) - believe 239, commit unto 4, commit to (one's) trust 1, be committed unto 1, be put in trust with 1, be commit to one's trust 1, believer 1;
to think to be true, to be persuaded of, to credit, place confidence inof the thing believedto credit, have confidence
in a moral or religious referenceused in the NT of the... Strongs.

2 Thessalonians 2:11-12
11 And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, 12 that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
 
BillG said:
Why do you think Strongs and Vines interpret Pisteuo differently?

2 Thess. 2:11,12; (2) a personal surrender to Him, from Noeo.net.
Which I assume is your understanding of Vines as this website explains it as that.

g4100. πιστεύω pisteuō; from 4102; to have faith (in, upon, or with respect to, a person or thing), i.e. credit; by implication, to entrust (especially one's spiritual well-being to Christ): — believe(-r), commit (to trust), put in trust with.
AV (248) - believe 239, commit unto 4, commit to (one's) trust 1, be committed unto 1, be put in trust with 1, be commit to one's trust 1, believer 1;
to think to be true, to be persuaded of, to credit, place confidence inof the thing believedto credit, have confidence
in a moral or religious referenceused in the NT of the... Strongs.

2 Thessalonians 2:11-12
11 And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, 12 that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
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The Strongs expanded gives the disclaimer, "pisteuo means NOT just to believe!"
The Strong's also says pisteuo is reliance upon, committed to, to commit into, be committed to.

The Vines says, " a personal surrender to Him and a life inspired by such surrender".

The Vines is just more specific. And practicing this description of faithing or pisteuo for over 33years, the Vines is right on the mark!

The problem is when they attempt to include the mistranslated words believe, believer, and believing, they weaken the correct definition. They gave to, those mistranslated words are used 248 times.

Have you ever considered it's" believers" that are delusional?
 
Pisteuo said:
Ticked off because you can't have it your way?
Sin is two parts, we fall short of the glory of God, "and" we want everyone to go our own way. Now you know the truth, what are you going to do ?
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You share no truth but rather you’re a clear and present danger to people who are weak in the faith by sharing your heresy. Scripture is quite clear that people who teach a false gospel shall be cursed. You better get your act together, pal.
 
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