Did Jesus ever tell us that we no longer need to keep the law of Moses?
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He has given me rest, rest from a chaotic sin laden lifestyle,
John 8:34-36, " 34 Jesus answered them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who practices sin is a slave to sin. 35 The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son remains forever. 36 So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.
Now I seek to follow Him.
John 12:25-26, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless a grain of wheat falls into the ground and dies, it remains alone. But if it dies, it bears much fruit. He who loves his life shall lose it, and he who hates his life in this world shall preserve it for everlasting life." Whoever serves me must follow me; and where I am, my servant also will be. My Father will honor the one who serves me.”
John 8:34-36, " 34 Jesus answered them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who practices sin is a slave to sin. 35 The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son remains forever. 36 So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.
Now I seek to follow Him.
John 12:25-26, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless a grain of wheat falls into the ground and dies, it remains alone. But if it dies, it bears much fruit. He who loves his life shall lose it, and he who hates his life in this world shall preserve it for everlasting life." Whoever serves me must follow me; and where I am, my servant also will be. My Father will honor the one who serves me.”
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Well this matter continues but Paul has given us what we need to know on the subject. Paul dealt with and instructed the believers in Galatians. If we start with Gal 4:19 and continue to Gal 5:6 we get the idea that Christians are not like those who are under the condemnation of the law. Christians are obedient because they know Christ. See Romans 8:14-17 and take notice that we have an inheritance through Christ. We cannot work for or maintain our inheritance but we are none the less obedient because we love our Father and our Savior.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
For the cause of Christ
Roger
i would not be to quick to proclaim this, as long as your trying to follow the law your a slave to sin,
because your a slave to keep its requirement, and either have to lie to yourself you do, lower the standards of the law, or attack others you think are worse than you to keep trying to convince yourself you are following the law, [/QUOTE]
SO not being a slave to sin is self focus?
And you were just talking about false witness, tell me how I am guilty of any of these things WITH PROOF, claims are empty with no proof. Please break it down for me, if you are correct about your claims about me I will repent, if you are not correct about your claims about me I ask for an apology.
Also Please don't cut out parts of my posts.
because your a slave to keep its requirement, and either have to lie to yourself you do, lower the standards of the law, or attack others you think are worse than you to keep trying to convince yourself you are following the law, [/QUOTE]
SO not being a slave to sin is self focus?
And you were just talking about false witness, tell me how I am guilty of any of these things WITH PROOF, claims are empty with no proof. Please break it down for me, if you are correct about your claims about me I will repent, if you are not correct about your claims about me I ask for an apology.
Also Please don't cut out parts of my posts.
Do not murder and do not kill are different. Example, if a violent criminal breaks into my workplace while it is closed but some co workers and I are working insode and the violent man starts attacking to murder us, I do not see it as wrong to defend, leets says the violent man is on drugs and is not stopped easily and defending ends up with him dead, I do not see that as murder, as self defense is permitted in the OT and NT. Jesus did say "buy a sword" but also "dont live by the sword" living by the sword would be using violence as a way of life, buying a sword would be for self defence. That is my view.
I believe do not murder is contained with in "love your neighbor"
Matthew 22:36-40, " 36 “Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?” 37 And he said to him, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. 38 This is the great and first commandment. 39 And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. 40 On these two commandments depend all the Law and the Prophets.”
I believe do not murder is contained with in "love your neighbor"
Matthew 22:36-40, " 36 “Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?” 37 And he said to him, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. 38 This is the great and first commandment. 39 And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. 40 On these two commandments depend all the Law and the Prophets.”
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i cut stuff that have no bearing on our discussion, i am quite frankly tired of trying to explain that to you And if you are not going to try, i am no longer going to bother with that stuff.
you even here Prove one of my points, i am not saying being a slave to sin is self focus, i have told you this already (It is not the context of our conversation)
since you can not fathom what i am trying to say you keep making up this one point as if it helps you
it does not help you, because I have never said such a thing.
also, see how you just twisted my post, i was talking about the law, you totally ignored that aspect, and made a claim i was talking about something else,
you even here Prove one of my points, i am not saying being a slave to sin is self focus, i have told you this already (It is not the context of our conversation)
since you can not fathom what i am trying to say you keep making up this one point as if it helps you
it does not help you, because I have never said such a thing.
also, see how you just twisted my post, i was talking about the law, you totally ignored that aspect, and made a claim i was talking about something else,
People sure do a lot of scriptural and mental gymnastics to ensure that they can justify their work at the law.
Even to the point of accusing REAL Christians of being lawless because they DON'T work at the law.
Does the weak brother ACCUSE the strong brother of lawlessness? Or rather should the weak brother explore how the strong brother has love out of a pure heart, a good conscience and faith unfeigned? And then attempt to at least become a little stronger...
I don't have contempt for the weak brother. I feel a little sorry for him. Until he starts to accuse the strong brother. Then I start to have a different opinion.
There is a difference between weak and blind. Legalists and Judaizers prove that day in and day out.
Even to the point of accusing REAL Christians of being lawless because they DON'T work at the law.
Does the weak brother ACCUSE the strong brother of lawlessness? Or rather should the weak brother explore how the strong brother has love out of a pure heart, a good conscience and faith unfeigned? And then attempt to at least become a little stronger...
I don't have contempt for the weak brother. I feel a little sorry for him. Until he starts to accuse the strong brother. Then I start to have a different opinion.
There is a difference between weak and blind. Legalists and Judaizers prove that day in and day out.
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also, my opinion, people refuse to submit to the authority of Scripture, as in context, word definitions, chronological order, to whom were the things that were said were said to, etc...
people give them selves authority over these things, and make the Bible say what they want it to say, instead of accepting what it says.
people give them selves authority over these things, and make the Bible say what they want it to say, instead of accepting what it says.
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No? This was for "pseudo/false-prophets" of God, and/or Jesus of Nazareth! O.T/N.T.
As it pertains to being "called", from being "chosen!"
It's just AS timely THEN, as it is NOW!
Looky man/woman. If you want "precepts of men" teachings to "connect the dots" for you? And, follow their teachings?
Don't be surprised, should you fall into a "bottomless pit", of "love." Even though it states in the Bible that "there is no law" concerning love, or the rest of the "fruit of the Spirit?"
Without the "proper training" (connecting of dots)? You'll never "see the "lawlessness" gushing out from between the "lively stones"(untempered mortar) in your own "spiritual house!"
As it pertains to being "called", from being "chosen!"
It's just AS timely THEN, as it is NOW!
Looky man/woman. If you want "precepts of men" teachings to "connect the dots" for you? And, follow their teachings?
Don't be surprised, should you fall into a "bottomless pit", of "love." Even though it states in the Bible that "there is no law" concerning love, or the rest of the "fruit of the Spirit?"
Without the "proper training" (connecting of dots)? You'll never "see the "lawlessness" gushing out from between the "lively stones"(untempered mortar) in your own "spiritual house!"
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Matthew 5:16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.
Matthew 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
You are either teaching men to not keep or keep, not to follow or to follow.
Matthew 5:46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?
Matthew 5:47 And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?
Matthew 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
Matthew 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
You are either teaching men to not keep or keep, not to follow or to follow.
Matthew 5:46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?
Matthew 5:47 And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?
Matthew 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
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Falsely accuse that your soul ain't saved?
This "discourse" has NOTHING to do with the salvation of your soul, EG! NOTHING!
Salvation is a gift for just believing! Don't even have to be baptized!
JUST BELIEVE!
It DOES have VERY MUCH to do with "Spiritual Maturity!"
Of the which, your "spiritual house" is leaning "way bad!" To a "fault!" Concerning "love", and your adamant refusings in even the "slightest" bit of your acknowleging, that perhaps, someone may know more then you and your ilk are willing to admit to.
Y'all won't "take correction!" But, is to be "expected" in your "sophmoric" (know it all/wise in your own conceited) "mindsets!"
But, see it as "legalistic Judeizers!"
And that? Is sad!
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John 4:24 God is a Spirit and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
Gods Word is truth. Can't change that by even a jot or tittle
Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
Do you teach "be perfect" or do you teach "surely, you can't be perfect".
Gods Word is truth. Can't change that by even a jot or tittle
Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
Do you teach "be perfect" or do you teach "surely, you can't be perfect".
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I hope you will put up with a little of my foolishness; but you are already doing that. I am jealous for you with a godly jealousy. I promised you to one husband, to Christ, so that I might present you as a pure virgin to him. But I am afraid that just as Eve was deceived by the serpent’s cunning, your minds may somehow be led astray from your sincere and pure devotion to Christ. For if someone comes to you and preaches a Jesus other than the Jesus we preached, or if you receive a different spirit from the one you received, or a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it easily enough. 2 Corinthians 11:1-4