Not By Works
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It’s a strawman because no one has been teaching works salvation
And you said “parsing”. Who’s the guy that’s been parsing? Just me.
You said You cannot parse works salvation. The only guy that has been parsing doesnt
And I don’t care about red x’s. Give me as many as you want.
No I didnt.It’s a strawman because no one has been teaching works salvation
And you said “parsing”. Who’s the guy that’s been parsing? Just me.
You said You cannot parse works salvation. The only guy that has been parsing doesnt
And I don’t care about red x’s. Give me as many as you want.
Mate I can't see why you think that.
I never said you.
I played the salvation works card a generalisation of those who do.
But I never ever mentioned you.
Why do you think that?
Sorry about the redx I gave you.It’s a strawman because no one has been teaching works salvation
And you said “parsing”. Who’s the guy that’s been parsing? Just me.
You said You cannot parse works salvation. The only guy that has been parsing doesnt
And I don’t care about red x’s. Give me as many as you want.
It was a negative response to your one you gave me.
I was confused as to why you gaveit.
Not mature on my part.
So please accept my apology.
It’s a strawman because no one has been teaching works salvation
And you said “parsing”. Who’s the guy that’s been parsing? Just me.
You said You cannot parse works salvation. The only guy that has been parsing doesnt
And I don’t care about red x’s. Give me as many as you want.
I was referring to those in the hospice not you.
Paul had put a conclusion of these squabbles.
Romans 4:16 King James Version (KJV)
16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,
Ephesians 2:8 King James Version (KJV)
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
It could not be by grace if it is not of faith and vice versa.
Yes. The thing I was disputing was people saying faith alone saves. So you agree with me.
Faith does not merit salvation. The only merit that saves us is Christ’s. Christ’s righteousness is imputed when we believe and it is His righteousness that saves. Also we are regenerated when we believe. All works of God, ie Grace
You didn’t say “you can’t parse works salvation». Did someone hijack your account?
Because who else is parsing words. But didn’t I already say I apologize if you misunderstood your post? So why are you going on about it.
Who brought up hospice people and who said Faith cannot bring salvation to people on death bed. I don’t know of anyone.
If you don’t think repentance brings change to people’s minds about about sinful acts. I don’t know what to tell you.
My mind sure changed about drugs, Godhating, stealing, lying, blasphemy. Etc. when Gods grace touched me I didn’t want to do those things any more
Change of mind
You are teaching faith as a mere decision to believe, which by itself, without grace is powerless. I am teaching faith that results in a radical work of Grace. That’s the difference
To be honest, I did not intend to give you a red x. Honestly. Usually my phone only give thumbs up options on rep points. I will remove the x
I appreciate you being friendly with me. The disagreement I have with you is a friendly disagreement.
All I know is when God brought me to repentance, I didn’t want to do the things I used to do anymore. Was I tempted? Sure. Still am. Did I fall at times. Sure. Still do
But the difference was what I desired, what my mind was set on. It seems to me that is repentance.
And it would have never happened apart from the drawing of God. It was not a decision for me. It was an epiphany
Sorry about the misunderstanding. Please see my last two posts right before this one and disregard some of the others
Faith saves us. Belief saves us. God's grace saves us.
Works DO NOT save us. Mowing lawns, shoveling yards, delivering groceries to your homebound neighbor.. these things do not save us.
Works DO NOT save us. Mowing lawns, shoveling yards, delivering groceries to your homebound neighbor.. these things do not save us.
Correct.
Here’s my point.
Some people look at faith as a decision to believe. That is part of it, but what I see is a salvation that is more than a decision to believe. I believe that salvation is both an epiphany and a spiritual resurrection.
We are saved because the God we did not know manifested Himself to us. And then we believed. And then we were regenerated, justified, etc
The scripture says that God is found by those who were not looking for Him. Maybe not true for everyone, but definitely true of me
I would never had come to Christ except I was drawn. I was a God hater. And one night, my eyes were opened, instantly. And at that moment, and not a moment sooner, I believed
So the change and belief were pretty much at the same time and instantaneous.
Up to here is my personal story. I am not saying it happens like this for everyone. What I will say below I do think applies to all.
When one hears the Gospel, there is a work of drawing, and in some it produces belief and others it doesn’t. Why? I do knot know, but I know tis so
Hopefully this will be my last post.