Thanks brother. I’ve often struggled with this but you have made it clear to me.
Why do Dispensationalists teach Separation Theology?
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AMEN migo....the simplicity found in Christ and the Bible always gives insight
Hi Thanks for the reply.
I would offer when God inspires his thoughts he defines the words used. If we miss that opportunity any meaning can be added like plagiarism changing the original direction after another kind of author( antichrist).
In order to protect the integrity of His word it would appear he has give us two safeguareds. One in respect to a word singular. like the word Israel or another one abused apostle. And another warning at the end of the book of the prophecy the bible . sealed with 7 seals.
Deuteronomy 4;2 King James Version (KJV)Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you
Revelation 22:18-19 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
The word Israel is no different a word that has a established meaning. (no new meanings) The outward Jew according to the flesh seen were previously call Jacob. A word when defined means deceiver or one that wrestles against flesh and blood. . . nation against nation. . Jacob because God is no respecter of persons it simply represents natural unconverted mankind .
In order to preach the gospel in respect to the suffering before hand and the glory that did follow .He gave Jacob a new name that represented he had been born again (Israel) . This is show that now he was with God who worked with the new name and when dealing with the flesh and blood things of this world that he could overcome. (hast prevailed)
Genesis 32:28 And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed.
You could say the remnant of Israel are the Jacobs or gentiles.
If the word is used to represent the flesh of a outward Jew like many other things it reveals being turned upside down, taking away the understanding of the author .
In that way both Jacob and Israel together represent mankind. . . a remnant will be saved. Its never been about the flesh of any nation.
A short but correct answer. There is only one way to salvation and that is through belief in Christ. I just cant understand how any christian can say otherwise. Yet there are some obviously who think there is.
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If they rejected Christ because God has blinded them, do you think it’s their fault for rejecting?
As I have stated, the way the Jews will be saved by God will be a mystery that us non jews in the body of Christ may not fully understand now.
Their prior disobedience time after time after time speaks on their own behalf. But I do find it interesting that you believe people can be saved without having faith in Christ.
I did not say what you wrote in bold. Think of the story of Joseph and his 12 brothers, which I felt is the best analogy of what will go down for the Jews,
When the 12 first met Joseph, Joseph did not reveal himself to them, and none of them recognize him. You could say that Joseph deliberately hid himself from them.
But in their 2nd visit, he revealed himself to them as Joseph, they all accepted him after that.
I believe that will be what will happen to the Jews. Jesus will reveal himself to all the unbelieving Jews, and they will accept him. So ultimately, they still need to have faith in Christ.
What about those that already passed away? I have faith that God will not abandon them, they will still get a chance to see Jesus as their true Messiah, and they will accept him in the end. Otherwise God is not fulfilling the unconditional covenant he cut with Abraham regarding the Jews.
You have a kind heart. Do you feel the same about everyone who’s ever denied Christ, or just Jews?
The Jews are special because God cut an unconditional covenant with their forefather Abraham. As I have said before, they really have to thank Abraham for this special privilege.
As for non Jews, they have no excuse, the grace dispensation began with the salvation of Saul. Us gentiles have such a long and still ongoing period of time when the Jews were set aside in blindness, so that as many of us can accept the grace of God where salvation is granted to us when we believe in Jesus's death burial and resurrection, without the Law.
So if non Jews still don't want to accept him now, they should not complain when they did not have a second chance to do so, during the Tribulation, unlike the unbelieving Jews.
Where do we find this unconditional covenant?
Was Abraham crucified for the sins of the world? What kind of speiail relationship was it?
Abraham is dead no longer here under the Sun ?
Romans 9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
Good place to begin studying is studying the meaning of words that God has chosen and defined.
What part of Israel is not Israel ?The gentile part ?
The way you seem to be approaching it world make the word of God without effect
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They've been rejecting Gods Grace ever since God led them out of Egypt.
Yes, its their fault.
The way the Jews will be saved will be no mystery. They will be drawn to Christ just like we were/are.
The discussion is about the Jews that passed away before God removed their blindness. Are they forever lost?
Yes a good start but for what?
The spiritual eternal seed Christ (seed of faith the unseen) or seeds the temporal seen as many referring to the corrupted flesh of Abraham?
2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.
Galatians 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
Who was the seed signified before Abraham whose mother was a Hittite and father a Amorite. An Amorite ?
The discussion is about faith (the unseen eternal) not flesh and blood of one nation apposed to flesh and blood of another. That would fall under the word Jacob the deceiver natural unconverted same place as a gentile .
What part of all Israel is not Israel when we define the word Israel? The gentile part not converted which would come after the name before he changed it from Jacob to represent unbelief?
Romans 9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
What does the word Israel mean according to the word of God?
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The whole point of the gt is Israel's salvation.
Israel is ushered to safety from the ac/satan during the gt.
They are covenant but must come in through Jesus/Boaz. (Kinsman redeemer). No Jesus=no salvation.
They,the Jew,see Jesus and worship Him. Salvation
Paul is an example of that. That is how the Jew enters.
Paul,a jew was not born again apart from Jesus. No salvation apart from Jesus.