Did Jesus ever tell us that we no longer need to keep the law of Moses?

[RickStudies]

I don't mind clarifying, with regard to anything I've put (that is, if you were referring to my posts )

I`m not very good at deciphering your style of presenting things. I`m just a simpleton.

 

[Grandpa]

GP,'

You are citing scripture that you do not understand. There is so much more to the verses that you can see that all I can say is go back and read Hosea to get a deeper understanding of what Paul is saying. Until then your words are out of context and without meaning.

SG

Well by all means. Explain the scripture that I have posted and explain how I do not understand them.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

I`m not very good at deciphering your style of presenting things.

My apologies.

It's just that I've found that many ppl hear [/read] a term or phrase and have a pre-conceived notion of what it means (though incorrect) and which requires a little more writing in order to endeavor to bring att'n TO THAT. I find that it is insufficient to state a straightforward [biblical] phrase BECAUSE of these preconceived ideas (thus making "what I've tried to say" come across more like what they "THINK I've said, but haven't really!" LOL [you may "understand" a bit of that, by your recent experiences in these discussions, right?? haha])

Make sense?! lol

I`m just a simpleton.

Me too.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

^ … and an example of that, I had added to my Post #7760 (bottom of pg 388), the first SENTENCE of the bracketed postscript, lol… not sure if you saw that...

 

[RickStudies]

My apologies.

It's just that I've found that many ppl hear [/read] a term or phrase and have a pre-conceived notion of what it means (though incorrect) and which requires a little more writing in order to endeavor to bring att'n TO THAT. I find that it is insufficient to state a straightforward [biblical] phrase BECAUSE of these preconceived ideas (thus making "what I've tried to say" come across more like what they "THINK I've said, but haven't really!" LOL [you may "understand" a bit of that, by your recent experiences in these discussions, right?? haha])

Make sense?! lol



Me too.

Sure it makes sense and I agree. I wish I was better at tracing down original meanings etc. Lot of work to get good at that. I work for a living and was never willing to devote my limited time resource to learning it.

I make liberal use of the dictionary and pull things by reading commentary of others and make do with that. A lot of things I talk about are things I believe the Holy Spirit opened my eyes to over the years. I credit Him above all else.

 

[Grandpa]

My apologies.

It's just that I've found that many ppl hear [/read] a term or phrase and have a pre-conceived notion of what it means (though incorrect) and which requires a little more writing in order to endeavor to bring att'n TO THAT. I find that it is insufficient to state a straightforward [biblical] phrase BECAUSE of these preconceived ideas (thus making "what I've tried to say" come across more like what they "THINK I've said, but haven't really!" LOL [you may "understand" a bit of that, by your recent experiences in these discussions, right?? haha])

Make sense?! lol



Me too.

I've noticed that too.

Especially when posting scripture.

Everyone seems to have a different understanding of them.

 

[Grandpa]

I`m not very good at deciphering your style of presenting things. I`m just a simpleton.

I have a hard time with the way he posts too. All the parantheses and brackets lead my on a wild goose chase until I lose the thread of the original thought.

I kind of have to focus on one thing at a time... Maybe two... at the most.

 

[DeighAnn]

People who say they keep the law have to do them all.

Is this the kind of example you are looking for???

So kill me, as you keep no law, (are you sure, not one???) Not one, because if like you teach, " you follow one you must follow them all" then you are also teaching you must follow none. And since you have not one, then you are lawless correct?

Ahh, but you say " I have the spirit" it will tell me, but if you had not read and did not keep the law how would you know "WHOS" spirit was telling you something like, "good call, you judged well, you did God a service there"

 

[DeighAnn]

Except for one small caveat;

Galatians 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

ONCE AGAIN, NOT TO BE JUSTIFIED. DIFFERENT THINGS.

 

[Dan_473]

Greetings Dan,

To all who want to discuss what our Creators will is as written in the scrptures, or as Paul termed it ""instruction in righteousness" I say "Great" I recognize that you can type and so I also recognize that you can read, so I also recognize that you can study, so I also recognize that what you choose to read and follow from the scripture is all your doing.

Well, then that means your choices are what you will be judged for on that day. If in a discussion forum you pose questions about how to interpret and then observe a command, but then use that answer to turn around and rend someone who gave you an answer then you are the very one that Yahshau warned us about;

(Mat 7:6 NIV) "Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and then turn and tear you to pieces.


Certainly you have heard of "pearls of wisdom" So Y gives you "pearls" and you now "turn and rend" him. You need to consider how inappropriate your behavior is.

SG

Hi SG!

It sounds to me as though you regard any kind of challenge as a "rending" or some kind of attack.

This is a discussion forum.
Proverbs 27: 17. Iron sharpeneth iron; so a man sharpeneth the countenance of his friend.
That process of sharpening can be painful, especially as pieces of rust or corrosion come off.

And I agree that challenges or questions can be a kind of attack if they are done impolitely.

Do you feel that I have been impolite in some way?

 

[DeighAnn]

The jews kept the law and obeyed gods commands, yet what did they do?

I think a study on what the Jews were doing with the law would help here.

Example

Mark 7:5 Then the Pharisees and scribes asked him, Why walk not thy disciples according to the tradition of the elders, but eat bread with unwashen hands?

Mark 7:6 He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me.

Mark 7:7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Mark 7:8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.

Mark 7:9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.

Mark 7:10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:

Mark 7:11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.

Mark 7:12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;

Mark 7:13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

 

[Dan_473]

I think it is pretty obvious my brother

People love to push how we have to obey commands

But when push comes to shove, They prove that they do not even practice what they preach.

I think we all agree the practicing what one preaches is a good idea! And this is an internet forum, so there's some degree of honor system going on if you claim to do something.

Someone could say that they spend the entire Sabbath doing nothing but reading the Bible and praying. There wouldn't be any way to verify that unless we knew them in real life. but we could at least have what they said they did to talk about.

Jesus didn't mind people seeing his daily activities
Luke 14: 1. It happened, when he went into the house of one of the rulers of the Pharisees on a Sabbath to eat bread, that they were watching him.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Is this the kind law, amd i am just as werhy of death,
of example you are looking for???

Well since true obedi nce to the law requires not breaking it once, then yeah

If your gonna show me someone who keeps the law you would have to show me on of them

So kill me, as you keep no law, (are you sure, not one???)

noone escapes, because no one can keep the law

Thats the point. We are all dead (unless we are in christ)

Um, what makes you think. Keep noNot one, because if like you teach, " you follow one you must follow them all" then you are also teaching you must follow none. And since you have not one, then you are lawless correct?

Thats not true, just because we can not keep it all dover es not mean we shoulld live amdisobedient life, this strawman gets okd don’t you think?

Ahh, but you say " I have the spirit" it will tell me, but if you had not read and did not keep the law how would you know "WHOS" spirit was telling you something like, "good call, you judged well, you did God a service there"

Its easy

I can try to keep the law, and decieve myself into thinking i keep it

Or keep the law of love, and KNOW when i am not keeping it, and thus be warned that unless i change my thinking and sacrifice self, i will break one of the commands, because that is where the root of sin is, not in breaking the law, but our motivations or desires.

Am i loving others? Or am i self loving?

Thats hw we tell what sin is, and then there will be NO question (unless we decieve ourselves we are loving. Which of course, god will correct out thinking through chastening[/quote][/QUOTE]

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I think a study on what the Jews were doing with the law would help here.

Example

Mark 7:5 Then the Pharisees and scribes asked him, Why walk not thy disciples according to the tradition of the elders, but eat bread with unwashen hands?

Mark 7:6 He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me.

Mark 7:7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Mark 7:8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.

Mark 7:9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.

Mark 7:10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:

Mark 7:11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.

Mark 7:12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;

Mark 7:13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

Jesus is talking to people Who think they are following the law, and trying to correct their thinking, which is exactly what i have been saying all along

Dont think we obey it because we do not, worship god in spirit by love, not by fleshly work at the law

 

[Dan_473]

If those who are not circumcised keep the law’s requirements, will they not be regarded as though they were circumcised? The one who is not circumcised physically and yet obeys the law will condemn you who, even though you have the written code and circumcision, are a lawbreaker. A man is not a Jew if he is only one outwardly, nor is circumcision merely outward and physical. No, a man is a Jew if he is one inwardly; and circumcision is circumcision of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code. Such a man’s praise is not from men, but from God. Romans 2:26-29

It should not surprise one that such a man, as is described in the bolded part of Romans, would do that contained in the law!
Yet? It surprises you!
Otherwise? You would understand another's "outwards" "physical" actions, and "behaviours!"
Yet? You do not!

I believe you are mistaken, it does not surprise me.

The invitation to talk about how you practice what you preach still stands. Accept it when you like, if you like.

 

[DeighAnn]

Well since true obedi nce to the law requires not breaking it once, then yeah

If your gonna show me someone who keeps the law you would have to show me on of them



noone escapes, because no one can keep the law

Thats the point. We are all dead (unless we are in christ)


Thats not true, just because we can not keep it all dover es not mean we shoulld live amdisobedient life, this strawman gets okd don’t you think?


Its easy

I can try to keep the law, and decieve myself into thinking i keep it

Or keep the law of love, and KNOW when i am not keeping it, and thus be warned that unless i change my thinking and sacrifice self, i will break one of the commands, because that is where the root of sin is, not in breaking the law, but our motivations or desires.

Am i loving others? Or am i self loving?

Thats hw we tell what sin is, and then there will be NO question (unless we decieve ourselves we are loving. Which of course, god will correct out thinking through chastening

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FIRST OF ALL, WHERE DID YOU GET THIS FROM??? PLEASE GIVE ME A POST NUMBER BECAUSE I DO NOT RECOGNIZE IT AS MINE.
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DeighAnn said:


Is this the kind law, amd i am just as werhy of death,
of example you are looking for???

 

[eternally-gratefull]

FIRST OF ALL, WHERE DID YOU GET THIS FROM??? PLEASE GIVE ME A POST NUMBER BECAUSE I DO NOT RECOGNIZE IT AS MINE.
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DeighAnn said:


Is this the kind law, amd i am just as werhy of death,
of example you are looking for???

7768

 

[DeighAnn]

7768

But that isn't what my post said. Do you rewrite it?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

But that isn't what my post said. Do you rewrite it?

No, maybe you corrected it, and i quoted it before your corrections?that has happened to me before

 

[dhanebat]

I'm not a law-keeper, but I still haven't found a single piece of evidence -- in the Gospels -- that Jesus ever told us to stop keeping the Law. Should we rely solely on what Paul said?

it is easier to to know the ifference between Thorah and Tanaka. Jesus fullfilled the Tanaka, that is the law of all the sacrifices.
The Thorah was given from God so that we can live in peace with other humans. We better obey Him. And than are some laws which Jews made up and is more a opinion of jewish culture.