Did Jesus ever tell us that we no longer need to keep the law of Moses?

[RickStudies]

by the way, What does this have to do with my example of a person who wakes up loving God, grateful, Goes through his day serving God and finding out who he can serve in love?

Several times I`ve posted scriptures that say Love fulfills the Law. Your answer to me is keep one law and you have to keep the other 612. This question of yours is nothing new. It`s circular argument because it`s been address many times before.

 

[RickStudies]

Yes

BUT HOW DO THEY DO IT?

and is it descriptive, or prescriptive language?

They do it by keeping, maybe this helps you understand.

keeping
noun
keep·ing | \ ˈkē-piŋ \
Definition of keeping

1: CONFORMITYin keeping with good tasteout of keeping with the decor
2: the act of one that keeps: such as
a: CUSTODY, MAINTENANCE
b: OBSERVANCE
3a: the means by which something is kept : SUPPORT, PROVISION
b: the state of being kept or the condition in which something is kept the house is in good keeping

 

[PS]

Keeping the commandments of God = obeying His Laws. It says they obey Yahweh`s commandments and have the testimony of Jesus Christ ( His testament)

Christians keep the commandments of the Father, which are the same as those given by Jesus, but not the same as Jewish law.

 

[SimpleGardner]

you have? Where?

If you cannot find them then just go back to Hosea where Paul quoted him in the verses GP cited and read it all and meditate on them. You will be glad you did.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

RickStudies said:
This scripture from Revelation 12 describes the dragon going out to make war with God`s remnant people. According to the verse they are obeying God`s commandments/keeping Law and they have Jesus as well.
17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
This is near the end of this age, why are they keeping Law/Commandments of God?

This is the tribulation period, but regardless […]

I agree that this passage is referring to the tribulation period (so it is not accurate to say "in this age/in this present age [singular]" [/the "NOW"]... rather, it refers to "the end [singular] of the age [singular]" like in Matt24:3 (and THAT referencing back to what Jesus had already spoken with them about in Matt13:24,30,39,40,49-50, when the angels will REAP, and speaking of "the kingdom of the heavens" [i.e. the EARTHLY MK age], and the "WHEAT harvest" [not speaking of "the Church which is His body"/US]).

So I believe the Revelation 12 passage (and, say, verse 17's reference to "the remnant of her seed") speaks to that which Micah 5:3's "UNTIL" does [distinct from v.2 about Jesus' birth] (where it says, "[give them up...] UNTIL the time that she which travaileth hath brought forth: THEN the remnant of his brethren shall return unto the children of Israel"--and the similar wording in Hosea 5:15-6:3 "TILL"). Note: I am not one who sees "the man child" (of Rev12) as speaking in reference to Jesus' own birth.

 

[NayborBear]

1. Seek after the things of the spirit and you WILL NOT Fulfill the lust of the flesh
2. Love the lord your God with all your heart mind and soul, and love your neighbor as yourself.
3. Produce the fruit of the spirit, against which there is no law.

And yes, it does take some effort. But it does and should not take alot of effort. Because God promised he would give us rest. So whose power do we rely on? The power of God, Who LOVED US, and because our ABBA father, or the law. which takes great effort. and even then you can not fulfill it as required.

Remember, God told us to sit in his work, to stand on his promises, and to walk according to his guidance by putting on the whole armor of God so you can withstand the spiritual forces who are out to destroy you (see the book of ephesians)


do you disagree with anything I have said?

It "seems" you may have "grown" somewhat, in at least "softening" your stance towards salvation by grace through faith alone. In your agreeing that it takes some effort. (Thank you Lord!)
Now? Would you agree that the greater the effort/s the longer the reward/s?
That would just pass up this life here on earth, in this "current everlasting" like it was sitting still, and "grow/mature/perfect" and be rewarded with life ETERNAL?

For you see, that is what I, and others here are exposing concerning this OSAS "dogma/mindset/tradition/misunderstanding."
Don't be satisfied with everlasting! Strive FOR eternal!

For longer IS greater! Eternal IS greater then everlasting!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Several times I`ve posted scriptures that say Love fulfills the Law. Your answer to me is keep one law and you have to keep the other 612. This question of yours is nothing new. It`s circular argument because it`s been address many times before.

See here is the disconnect

You say love keeps the law and i believe you, but then you push law, which requires perfect obedience which makes me then question you

Then you get mad at me

Can you not see a difference between the two

 

[eternally-gratefull]

They do it by keeping, maybe this helps you understand.

keeping
noun
keep·ing | \ ˈkē-piŋ \
Definition of keeping

1: CONFORMITYin keeping with good tasteout of keeping with the decor
2: the act of one that keeps: such as
a: CUSTODY, MAINTENANCE
b: OBSERVANCE
3a: the means by which something is kept : SUPPORT, PROVISION
b: the state of being kept or the condition in which something is kept the house is in good keeping

This does not tell me anything

The jews kept the law and obeyed gods commands, yet what did they do?

You answered it in your last post, they obey because the love, why do they love, because god loved them.

Ie, it is a descriptive passage of believers in christ who have been saved (like me)

And you wonder why people are so confused

One post you say by love

The next you appear to say we just obey by keeping

Which is it?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

If you cannot find them then just go back to Hosea where Paul quoted him in the verses GP cited and read it all and meditate on them. You will be glad you did.

So you can not show us?

Of course noT you just make a silly accusation with no proof and expect everyone to take your word as truth,

 

[PS]

I agree that this passage is referring to the tribulation period (so it is not accurate to say "in this age/in this present age [singular]" [/the "NOW"]... rather, it refers to "the end [singular] of the age [singular]" like in Matt24:3 (and THAT referencing back to what Jesus had already spoken with them about in Matt13:24,30,39,40,49-50, when the angels will REAP, and speaking of "the kingdom of the heavens" [i.e. the EARTHLY MK age], and the "WHEAT harvest" [not speaking of "the Church which is His body"/US]).

So I believe the Revelation 12 passage (and, say, verse 17's reference to "the remnant of her seed") speaks to that which Micah 5:3's "UNTIL" does [distinct from v.2 about Jesus' birth] (where it says, "[give them up...] UNTIL the time that she which travaileth hath brought forth: THEN the remnant of his brethren shall return unto the children of Israel"--and the similar wording in Hosea 5:15-6:3 "TILL"). Note: I am not one who sees "the man child" (of Rev12) as speaking in reference to Jesus' own birth.

This is how I do my Bible studies, I look up all the relevant scriptures and then take it from there. It can take hours, so I will let you or the others do this.

About Revelation 12:17
the dragon: Rev_12:12; Joh_8:44; 1Pe_5:8
to make: Rev_11:7, Rev_13:7, Rev_17:6, Rev_17:14, Rev_18:20, Rev_19:19, Rev_20:8-9; Gen_3:15; Dan_7:23-26, Dan_11:36
which: Rev_14:12, Rev_22:14; Mat_28:20; 1Jn_5:2
and have: Rev_12:11, Rev_1:2, Rev_1:9, Rev_6:9, Rev_20:4; 1Co_2:1; 1Jn_5:10

Personally as a Christian, I follow Jesus, not Moses. Those who follow Moses are bound for hell.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

It "seems" you may have "grown" somewhat, in at least "softening" your stance towards salvation by grace through faith alone. In your agreeing that it takes some effort. (Thank you Lord!)
Now? Would you agree that the greater the effort/s the longer the reward/s?

Nope, because the more mature we bcome in christ, the easier the work becomes

Those who are taking great effort have not yet been trained to walk in love, they are still trying to figure it out

That would just pass up this life here on earth, in this "current everlasting" like it was sitting still, and "grow/mature/perfect" and be rewarded with life ETERNAL?

For you see, that is what I, and others here are exposing concerning this OSAS "dogma/mindset/tradition/misunderstanding."
Don't be satisfied with everlasting! Strive FOR eternal!

For longer IS greater! Eternal IS greater then everlasting!

Everlasting is eternal

And NIETHER is temporary, conditional or something that will ever end.

So why wont you receive eternal life and stop trying to earn it?

 

[RickStudies]

See here is the disconnect

You say love keeps the law and i believe you, but then you push law, which requires perfect obedience which makes me then question you

Then you get mad at me

Can you not see a difference between the two

I`m not mad at you. But I strongly disagree with you when you say somebody keeping laws because they are right thing to do has to keep all 613. I strongly feel you misapply scripture on that point. It`s really my main issue with you.

 

[NayborBear]

I was simply inviting you to talk about how you keep the law described in Deuteronomy 13 in your daily life. How you put it into practice.

If you don't keep that law, you can just say so. If you keep it, you can describe what physical actions you take in order to keep it.

Or you can reject the invitation to talk about how you practice what you preach.

If those who are not circumcised keep the law’s requirements, will they not be regarded as though they were circumcised? The one who is not circumcised physically and yet obeys the law will condemn you who, even though you have the written code and circumcision, are a lawbreaker. A man is not a Jew if he is only one outwardly, nor is circumcision merely outward and physical. No, a man is a Jew if he is one inwardly; and circumcision is circumcision of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code. Such a man’s praise is not from men, but from God. Romans 2:26-29

It should not surprise one that such a man, as is described in the bolded part of Romans, would do that contained in the law!
Yet? It surprises you!
Otherwise? You would understand another's "outwards" "physical" actions, and "behaviours!"
Yet? You do not!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I`m not mad at you. But I strongly disagree with you when you say somebody keeping laws because they are right thing to do has to keep all 613. I strongly feel you misapply scripture on that point. It`s really my main issue with you.

The law says you must obey every word, not me

Moses said it, paul repeated it, and james suggested it (i never said all 613 laws either, you are adding to what i have said)

Your argument is with the three men of god, not me,

 

[eternally-gratefull]

There he goes with the red X again

I guess he does not believe the more mature we become the easier our walk becomes, even though paul, as our example shows this not only to be the case, but even handing tribulation and suffering becomes easier also (he calls it a momentary light affliction)

And he evidently does not understand eternal life is a gift, not a reward.

Nothing has changed,

 

[NayborBear]

That's just it EG. I have eternal life. Which is geater/longer then everlasting.

I have praise from God! Which is why I'm not concerned with trying to earn praises from men!

 

[PS]

The law says you must obey every word, not me

Moses said it, paul repeated it, and james suggested it (i never said all 613 laws either, you are adding to what i have said)

Your argument is with the three men of god, not me,

If you try to be made right with God through the law, your life with Christ is finished (Gal 5:4 ERV)
There is no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. (Rom 8:1)
Salvation is by faith in Christ Jesus. (Luke 7:50)

 

[eternally-gratefull]

That's just it EG. I have eternal life. Which is geater/longer then everlasting.

I have praise from God! Which is why I'm not concerned with trying to earn praises from men!

Ahh cool, when did you revert to believing in eternal security?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

If you try to be made right with God through the law, your life with Christ is finished (Gal 5:4 ERV)
There is no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. (Rom 8:1)
Salvation is by faith in Christ Jesus. (Luke 7:50)

True, but we are just talking about being morally good people not how one is saved.,

 

[PS]

True, but we are just talking about being morally good people not how one is saved.,

Good luck to you as far as the Kingdom of heaven is concerned.