Did Jesus ever tell us that we no longer need to keep the law of Moses?
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Perhaps you think I am talking about Fables and geneologies but I speak of simple surrender to the Holy Spirit who teaches "all truth" Not that is a good deal of information.
Paul speaks of "all scripture" Don't you think that's a lot of info too?
Do you? Or do you think doctrine, reproving, correction, and instruction in righteousness is overcomplicating things?
If so, what exactly do you prefer to do in your walk? Isn't it important to grow?
SG
Paul speaks of "all scripture" Don't you think that's a lot of info too?
Do you? Or do you think doctrine, reproving, correction, and instruction in righteousness is overcomplicating things?
If so, what exactly do you prefer to do in your walk? Isn't it important to grow?
SG
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No he did it because that is who he is, and also did it so he could be our sacrifice.
Your right there is no more curse
But the law still bring that curse, that was its intended purpose, how else would we know we needed salvation
Its like saying the law which proves my guilt and shows my need for salvation and the means of salvation (sacrifice of an unspotted or perfect lamb) can somehow show me how to live my life. How? All it can do at beat is continue to show me how i fail, or i have to water it down to make it appear i am following it (what the jews did)
Neither case is profitable for any child of god
No he did it because that is who he is, and also did it so he could be our sacrifice.
Your right there is no more curse
But the law still bring that curse, that was its intended purpose, how else would we know we needed salvation
Its like saying the law which proves my guilt and shows my need for salvation and the means of salvation (sacrifice of an unspotted or perfect lamb) can somehow show me how to live my life. How? All it can do at beat is continue to show me how i fail, or i have to water it down to make it appear i am following it (what the jews did)
Neither case is profitable for any child of god
Its not rude to show the Truth. I suppose it feels rude to you because you are probably not used to it.
I don't care even a little about who seems to be winning some debate. I only care about the Truth.
And the Truth is you don't know the difference between the law of Moses and the Law of the Kingdom. You think you do. But really, to you, they are the same law, you just call them different names.
And why do you do this? For the same reason you just accused me. "You wish to keep all those you encounter under the law that has no way to forgive, knowing Jesus brought us forgiveness".
Your words are very telling. Did you know that?
I don't care even a little about who seems to be winning some debate. I only care about the Truth.
And the Truth is you don't know the difference between the law of Moses and the Law of the Kingdom. You think you do. But really, to you, they are the same law, you just call them different names.
And why do you do this? For the same reason you just accused me. "You wish to keep all those you encounter under the law that has no way to forgive, knowing Jesus brought us forgiveness".
Your words are very telling. Did you know that?
In your circular reasoning this always means to go back to the law.
But that's not what is meant. What is meant is that scripture should be bringing you to Christ. And if it hasn't done that reproving, correction and instruction in righteousness is desperately needed.
Until you have achieved the goal of the commandments, which is love out of a pure heart, a good conscience and real faith then you have NO business attempting to teach others how it is achieved by working at the law!!
You have become a vain jangler, understanding neither what you say nor what you affirm. How do we know this? Because working at the Law is not the way these are achieved!!!!
This is the way its achieved;
Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
Galatians 2:19 For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.
John 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
But that's not what is meant. What is meant is that scripture should be bringing you to Christ. And if it hasn't done that reproving, correction and instruction in righteousness is desperately needed.
Until you have achieved the goal of the commandments, which is love out of a pure heart, a good conscience and real faith then you have NO business attempting to teach others how it is achieved by working at the law!!
You have become a vain jangler, understanding neither what you say nor what you affirm. How do we know this? Because working at the Law is not the way these are achieved!!!!
This is the way its achieved;
Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
Galatians 2:19 For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.
John 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
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The link that opens fellowship between man and the Father is Righteousness. Disobedience breaks that link every time. Yahshua came to redeem us from being lost to sin and rebellion to Gods commands. He gave those who the Heavenly Father brought to Him in repentance imputed righteousness so that we might finally receive the Holy Spirit that would give us a new heart of love for God's commands that we might finally walk in Righteousness. You confess unrighteousness in your life to us, but do you repent/turn away from your rebellion to the Law so that you might regain fellowship with Yahshua and the Father? That is the only way to fellowship;
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Joh 14:21 KJV He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
If you sin after receiving your Justification from Christ you again must repent! No man has a free lifetime do any sin and you are forgiven card. Daily, Daily you must repent and turn from your rebellion! To think otherwise is death/separation from Yahshua and The Father.
Yahshua prophecies about "that day" when "many" will come to Him and declare their service to Him and He says "I never knew you" Why? LAWLESSNESS! Snap out of it before it's too late. Your arrogance and pride in refusing service to obedience through the Gift of the Holy Spirit will result in your being removed from Him!!
(Mat 7:21 KJV) Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
(Mat 7:22 KJV) Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
(Mat 7:23 KJV) And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
How many times will you read this and still not hear it?
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Joh 14:21 KJV He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
If you sin after receiving your Justification from Christ you again must repent! No man has a free lifetime do any sin and you are forgiven card. Daily, Daily you must repent and turn from your rebellion! To think otherwise is death/separation from Yahshua and The Father.
Yahshua prophecies about "that day" when "many" will come to Him and declare their service to Him and He says "I never knew you" Why? LAWLESSNESS! Snap out of it before it's too late. Your arrogance and pride in refusing service to obedience through the Gift of the Holy Spirit will result in your being removed from Him!!
(Mat 7:21 KJV) Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
(Mat 7:22 KJV) Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
(Mat 7:23 KJV) And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
How many times will you read this and still not hear it?
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There is only one interpretation
If i do not obey every word, i am cursed
I believe it, i follow it, and it is why i came to christ because i acknowledge i can. It do what is required to save myself (obey the law)
Your the one who needs to interpret that verse as written, or you will remain in slavery
If i do not obey every word, i am cursed
I believe it, i follow it, and it is why i came to christ because i acknowledge i can. It do what is required to save myself (obey the law)
Your the one who needs to interpret that verse as written, or you will remain in slavery
Jesus had to bring us a new law because there were things the old law, as glorious as it was, could not do.
What is one of the things the law could not do?
Though the law could point out sin, yet the law could not produce "forgiveness" for the sins it pointed out. JESUS fulfilled the law by bringing "FORGIVENESS" upon repentance. He gave a new law with that added to it, so what the old law could not do the new law does. FULFILLING IT, making it perfect.
Transgression of the law, sin, brought about death with no mercy. JESUS took "death" out, and brought to us life, He defeated death. And through repentance once again, He FULFILLs what the old law itself could not do without him.
We have a duty to do what is right before God. The law gives us our requirements beyond faith, the distinction between right and wrong. How is one to know good from evil without a law to tell us what God considers right? How are we to teach if we have no law? How are we to teach the holiness of God without them.
We were bound to sin by the old law. Jesus set us free of it. Where once sin was a heavy burden to be carried, we now can be relieved of it without all the ceremony, and sacrifice of animals and priests doing their duties, we now can go straight past all that to repentance and be washed clean through His blood. His yoke is light.
What is one of the things the law could not do?
Though the law could point out sin, yet the law could not produce "forgiveness" for the sins it pointed out. JESUS fulfilled the law by bringing "FORGIVENESS" upon repentance. He gave a new law with that added to it, so what the old law could not do the new law does. FULFILLING IT, making it perfect.
Transgression of the law, sin, brought about death with no mercy. JESUS took "death" out, and brought to us life, He defeated death. And through repentance once again, He FULFILLs what the old law itself could not do without him.
We have a duty to do what is right before God. The law gives us our requirements beyond faith, the distinction between right and wrong. How is one to know good from evil without a law to tell us what God considers right? How are we to teach if we have no law? How are we to teach the holiness of God without them.
We were bound to sin by the old law. Jesus set us free of it. Where once sin was a heavy burden to be carried, we now can be relieved of it without all the ceremony, and sacrifice of animals and priests doing their duties, we now can go straight past all that to repentance and be washed clean through His blood. His yoke is light.
You seem to assume that it is by your obedience to the law that makes you righteous and thus that is what causes you to have fellowship with the Father.
But that is far, far from the Truth. You have no obedience to the law first of all. And you have no righteousness through it.
Your only hope, as well as all of us, is the Lord Jesus Christ. In whom Salvation and Righteousness flow.
1 Corinthians 1:30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:
Who is the Lord going to say depart from me, I never knew you to? To those who have come to Him and received Rest from their work at the law?
Or those who continue their work at the law thinking that is what gives them Righteousness and Sanctification and Fellowship with God?
Are those who abide in Christ, and not working at the law, lawless?
Galatians 5:22-23
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
Nope.
Are those who have faith in Christ but are not working at the law, lawless?
Romans 9:30 30 What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.
Can't be if they are righteous.
But here is maybe something you just aren't understanding;
Galatians 2:21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
Righteousness doesn't come by the law. It comes by faith in Christ.
Romans 9:31-32
31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.
32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;
Righteousness doesn't come by the law. It comes by faith in Christ.
People keep stumbling over that stone that the builders rejected. Even though they are told that the stone they rejected has become the headstone of the corner (the very strong support and foundation)
But that is far, far from the Truth. You have no obedience to the law first of all. And you have no righteousness through it.
Your only hope, as well as all of us, is the Lord Jesus Christ. In whom Salvation and Righteousness flow.
1 Corinthians 1:30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:
Who is the Lord going to say depart from me, I never knew you to? To those who have come to Him and received Rest from their work at the law?
Or those who continue their work at the law thinking that is what gives them Righteousness and Sanctification and Fellowship with God?
Are those who abide in Christ, and not working at the law, lawless?
Galatians 5:22-23
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
Nope.
Are those who have faith in Christ but are not working at the law, lawless?
Romans 9:30 30 What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.
Can't be if they are righteous.
But here is maybe something you just aren't understanding;
Galatians 2:21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
Righteousness doesn't come by the law. It comes by faith in Christ.
Romans 9:31-32
31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.
32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;
Righteousness doesn't come by the law. It comes by faith in Christ.
People keep stumbling over that stone that the builders rejected. Even though they are told that the stone they rejected has become the headstone of the corner (the very strong support and foundation)
Matthew 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments and shall teach men so he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
In the world today
we have those who teach there are no more commandments to follow, and teach other men they can't do it perfectly so don't even try, and because Jesus followed them perfectly, they don't have to,
OR
we have those who teach there ARE commandments and to follow them and teach other men to follow them, and though we may not follow them perfectly, we now can receive forgiveness for our transgressions upon repentance, and continue forward doing the best we can, having been washed clean.
In the world today
we have those who teach there are no more commandments to follow, and teach other men they can't do it perfectly so don't even try, and because Jesus followed them perfectly, they don't have to,
OR
we have those who teach there ARE commandments and to follow them and teach other men to follow them, and though we may not follow them perfectly, we now can receive forgiveness for our transgressions upon repentance, and continue forward doing the best we can, having been washed clean.