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Did Jesus ever tell us that we no longer need to keep the law of Moses?
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I hate to do it but let`s use another translation. King James is to hard for you.
31 Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather, we uphold the law.
It says your faith does not nullify. The Law/Torah was established by God. You cannot establish the Law by faith or any other means.
The second part of the verse "we uphold the law" is an affirmation of something that already is in force.
Your question is a reference to some kind of false doctrine I suspect.
I know. I copied and pasted from your post. Its in blue so you would know it was your question.
I was really curious what the response would be. But looks like he ignored it.
False doctrine is all the stuff you just wrote.
Do we nullify the law by this faith?
NO, this faith of ours upholds the law.
But you are trying to make it say something entirely different. You are trying to make it somehow about the law when Posthuman showed you the whole chapter is about FAITH.
You didn't seem to understand that either.
I didn`t notice the question. But why ask a question you already know the answer to? Easier to ask questions then to do your own work?
I notice you get a lot of things wrong because of your ignorance.
I was just wondering how deep it goes.
You don't know that it is our Faith in Christ that establishes the Law. What else about Christianity do you not know?
I find it hard to reconcile the God of Moses with the Father of Jesus. As Jesus said to the Pharisees "If you had known the Father, you would know me."
Oh.
Would you say that those who have attained Righteousness are the ones who Keep Gods Law?
Or would you say those who work at the law but don't attain to Righteousness are the ones who Keep Gods Law?
Or should I have said "establish the law" or "uphold the law"? whichever version you like...
Romans 9:30-32
30 What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.
31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.
32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;
Moses wasn't a very good representative of Christ but he was necessary.
Slaves need the whip, they need the rod. And children need to know that its there. That Dad will use it when necessary.
In my opinion...
Uphold is a word that could be used.
i.e. Someone who has attained Righteousness will desire to uphold the commandments of Christ and will not resent Old Testament scriptures that are profitable for doctrine and instruction in righteouness.
You don't believe Christ is at work throughout time? Through Him all things that have been made... You don't believe this?
Or are you just being antagonistic?
You apparently call it a teaching but don't accept it as such?
And this is for the sake of denying that anyone had salvation given to them before Pentecost - do you even believe anyone has salvation at all? Or only a far off promise?
Do you at least believe the promise is trustworthy?
You never answered how it is Moses sin was removed, so that he stood in the land. You quoted Hebrews, but you never made it clear how that was supposed to be an answer. If you meant, Moses had shadows, then are you saying shadows remove sin?
Isn't someone who has attained Righteousness someone who ALREADY upholds the commandments of Christ?
Someone who desires to uphold Christs commandments and still needs instruction in Old Testament Law is someone who still hasn't attained to the Righteousness which is found in the faith of Christ.
Of course, how do you teach someone who thinks he already knows? Its the reason why Christ said you have to come to Him as a little child, not knowing anything. Because, in reality, we don't know anything when we come to Christ.
Do you think it was the Father who told Moses to make a golden cherubim and seraphim when the making of idols is forbidden?
I believe that Jesus is the Theopany of God.
As to the rest. Did you read my previous post to you? The explaination how credit works?
It`s the same information found in Hebrews 10 which teaches you that sin couldn`t be forgiven until the cross.
It`s the same thing Jesus told His diciples.
27 And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it;
28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
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Better yet, instead of being sarcastic and judging lets look at the word itself
Causal Tenses, to make to stand, Lat. sisto, pres. ἵστημι, imper. ἵστη or ἵστα: impf. ἵστην, Ep. 3 sing. ἵστασκε:—f. στήσω, Dor. στᾱσῶ:—aor. i ἔστησα, Ep. 3 pl. ἔστᾰσαν for ἔστησαν; so aor. i med. ἐστησάμην.
II. intr. to stand, Lat. sto,
1. of the Act., aor. 2 ἔστην Ep. στάσκον, 3 pl. ἔστησαν Ep. also ἔσταν, στάν [ᾰ];imper. στῆθι, Dor. στᾶθι; subj. στῶ, Ep. 2 and 3 sing. στήῃς, στήῃ (for στῇς, στῇ), στέωμεν and στείομεν for στῶμεν; opt. σταίην, inf. στῆναι, Ep. στήμεναι; part. στάς:—pf. ἕστηκα: plqpf. ἑστήκειν, Att. also εἱστήκειν; Ion. 3 sing. ἑστήκεε: the usual dual and pl. forms of pf. are ἕστᾰτον, ἕστᾰμεν, ἕστᾰτε, ἑστᾶσι Ion. ἑστέᾱσι; imperat. ἕστᾰθι; subj. ἑστῶ; opt. ἑσταίην; inf. ἑστάναι, Ep. ἑστάμεν, ἑστάμεναι, part. ἑστώς, ἑστῶσα, ἑστός, Ion. ἑστεώς, ῶτος, Ep. ἑστηώς, gen. ἑστᾰότος, acc. ἑστᾰότα, nom. pl. ἑστᾰότες, plqpf., ἑστάτην [ᾰ], ἕστᾰμεν, ἕστᾰτε, ἕστᾰσαν.
2. Pass., ἵσταμαι: imper. ἵστω, Ep. ἵστασο: impf. ἱστάμην: f. στᾰθήσομαι and in med. form στήσομαι; also (from pf. ἕστηκα) a 3 fut. ἑστήξω, ἑστήξομαι:—aor. i ἐστάθην [ᾰ]: pf. ἕσταμαι.
A. Causal, to make to stand, set, Hom., etc.:—to set men in array, post them, Il., Xen.
II. to make to stand, stop, stay, check, Hom., etc.; στῆσαι τὴν φάλαγγα to halt it, Xen.; στ. τὰ ὄμματα to fix them, of a dying man, Plat.; ἵ. τὸ πρόσωπον, Lat. componere vultum, Xen.
III. to set up, ἱστ. ἱστόν to set up the loom, or to raise the mast, Hom.; to raise buildings, statues, trophies, etc., Hdt., Att.; ἱστάναι τινὰ χαλκοῦν to set him up in brass, raise a brasen statue to him, Dem.
2. to raise, rouse, stir up, Hom., etc.; φυλόπιδα στήσειν to stir up strife, Od.; in aor. i med., στήσασθαι μάχην Ib.
3. to set up, appoint, τινὰ βασιλέα Hdt.; Pass., ὁ σταθεὶς ὕπαρχος Id.
4. to establish, institute a festival, Id., Att.
IV. to place in the balance, weigh, Il., etc.; ἱστάναι τι πρός τι to weigh one thing against another, Hdt.
B. Pass. and intr. tenses of Act. to be set or placed, to stand, Hom.:—often merely for εἶναι, to be there, Od., etc.; with an Adv. to be in a certain state or condition, ἵνα χρείας ἕσταμεν in what a state of need we are, Soph., etc.
As you can see, using the word paul used (not some english translation)
Paul is telling us that faith does not make the law void, it makes it stand, it sets it up, it establishes it
So one again
HOW DOES MY FAITH MAKE THE LAW TO STAND OR ESTABLISH IT
I will not ask again, and your continued refusal will be on you.