Why do Dispensationalists teach Separation Theology?
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OP... consider also:
Luke 22:30,16,18 -
[and its parallel of Matthew 19:28 (which we can look to Matt25:31-34 for its [parallel]-TIMING, not to mention the parallels of the other vv. in the Lk passage I point out ^ , meaning, also Matt26:29 "UNTIL *that day* when I drink it *NEW* WITH [G3326 - with/accompanying] YOU..." (distinct from OUR "G4862 - WITH / UNION-with" verses)] -
"30 so that you may eat and drink at My table in My kingdom, and sit on thrones, judgING the twelve tribes of Israel."
When do you say THIS ^ happens (or happened)??
Luke 22:30,16,18 -
[and its parallel of Matthew 19:28 (which we can look to Matt25:31-34 for its [parallel]-TIMING, not to mention the parallels of the other vv. in the Lk passage I point out ^ , meaning, also Matt26:29 "UNTIL *that day* when I drink it *NEW* WITH [G3326 - with/accompanying] YOU..." (distinct from OUR "G4862 - WITH / UNION-with" verses)] -
"30 so that you may eat and drink at My table in My kingdom, and sit on thrones, judgING the twelve tribes of Israel."
When do you say THIS ^ happens (or happened)??
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I will tell him!! Much respect brother, I understand what you mean. Anytime someone claims to be on the mountaintop and everyone beneath them, I know they are trolls. Everyone is level at the foot of the cross. But like my father says "You can't argue with someone who says "God told me". And that's why they say God or the spirit told me because you cannot prove them wrong, they believe. CC is pretty quick to get rid of these people but they either come under a new name or another one pops up. Like whack a mole.
I will tell him!! Much respect brother, I understand what you mean. Anytime someone claims to be on the mountaintop and everyone beneath them, I know they are trolls. Everyone is level at the foot of the cross. But like my father says "You can't argue with someone who says "God told me". And that's why they say God or the spirit told me because you cannot prove them wrong, they believe. CC is pretty quick to get rid of these people but they either come under a new name or another one pops up. Like whack a mole.
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They simply claim that the Bible does not mean what it says and that one thousand years can mean anything up to several thousand years.
Origen is probably the man who first began to allegorize and spiritualize Scripture, but there was no excuse for the Reformers to not take the Bible in its plain literal sense (unless there was good reason to see a figure of speech).
The Greek term chilia ete [one (or a) thousand years] is repeated six times within seven verses in Revelation 20, so that there is not even a shadow of doubt about its meaning.
But because Amillennialists make up things as they go along, they even claim that Satan is presently bound in spite of all the evidence to the contrary. So what do you do with people who deliberately fantasize?
Origen is probably the man who first began to allegorize and spiritualize Scripture, but there was no excuse for the Reformers to not take the Bible in its plain literal sense (unless there was good reason to see a figure of speech).
The Greek term chilia ete [one (or a) thousand years] is repeated six times within seven verses in Revelation 20, so that there is not even a shadow of doubt about its meaning.
But because Amillennialists make up things as they go along, they even claim that Satan is presently bound in spite of all the evidence to the contrary. So what do you do with people who deliberately fantasize?
Where I heard the ism explanation was at AA. If some says I suffer with alcoholism the real truth is that they suffer with alcohol but that's not the root of the problem their problem is with themselves, via self centeredness and selfishness. Take away the object of their attention if they don't have a spiritual awakening and start to change on the inside the same scenario will reoccur with a different object or false god in the place of the old one. Be it alcohol, drugs, religion, fame or whatever.
Our main purpose for life should be to love and glorify our Creator and not to love or worship the created. Most religions were created by men and many believe they are saved by the act of worship as it alone saves and thus miss the point of Salvation. Salvation is not by works lest anyone should boast about their accomplishments as they are filthy rags. Salvation is not by human means. It is by the Grace of God and his word made flesh sacrificed for us in our stead via faith we are saved. Worshiping- worship, ceremonies, robes, traditions, laws, stars, science, precious metal, oil, wood or days of the week dosn't save anybody.
Gideon made an Ephod from the gold earrings of the slain Ishmaelites. All Israel prostituted themselves by worshiping it rather than God almighty who delivered the Ishmaelites into their hands. What was likely intended as a trophy to the glory of God that the people made into a false idol and eventually a trap. Just another false religion.
Our main purpose for life should be to love and glorify our Creator and not to love or worship the created. Most religions were created by men and many believe they are saved by the act of worship as it alone saves and thus miss the point of Salvation. Salvation is not by works lest anyone should boast about their accomplishments as they are filthy rags. Salvation is not by human means. It is by the Grace of God and his word made flesh sacrificed for us in our stead via faith we are saved. Worshiping- worship, ceremonies, robes, traditions, laws, stars, science, precious metal, oil, wood or days of the week dosn't save anybody.
Gideon made an Ephod from the gold earrings of the slain Ishmaelites. All Israel prostituted themselves by worshiping it rather than God almighty who delivered the Ishmaelites into their hands. What was likely intended as a trophy to the glory of God that the people made into a false idol and eventually a trap. Just another false religion.
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I will tell him!! Much respect brother, I understand what you mean. Anytime someone claims to be on the mountaintop and everyone beneath them, I know they are trolls. Everyone is level at the foot of the cross. But like my father says "You can't argue with someone who says "God told me". And that's why they say God or the spirit told me because you cannot prove them wrong, they believe. CC is pretty quick to get rid of these people but they either come under a new name or another one pops up. Like whack a mole. [/QUOTE]
ah yes
the famous 'God told me' move
quite some time ago, a family member said that to me...one of those 'God told me to tell you' things which was actually just her
trying to manipulate me....yet again
I responded with 'actually God told me to tell you that He did not tell you anything'
she got up and left without a word
thats' just a bad spirit when someone starts that kind of nonsense
ah yes
the famous 'God told me' move
quite some time ago, a family member said that to me...one of those 'God told me to tell you' things which was actually just her
trying to manipulate me....yet again
I responded with 'actually God told me to tell you that He did not tell you anything'
she got up and left without a word
thats' just a bad spirit when someone starts that kind of nonsense
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It is the "amill-teaching's" assertion that the "1000 yrs [long period of time of unknown-duration (according to them)]" is taking place NOW, with Jesus on the throne of David UP IN Heaven (presently); but this is one place where they misinterpret what Peter is saying in Acts 3 (by their missing the TWO distinct ways "RAISE" is being used in that chapter: one "RAISE" being BEFORE His death, in His earthly ministry BEFORE the Cross; the other "RAISE" in His resurrection from the dead AFTER His death [of course]).
So that they are missing Peter's actual point he's conveying in this chpt, and what he means by v.21 ("whom indeed it behooves heaven to receive until the times of restoration of all things of which God spoke by the mouth of His holy prophets from the age") and certain other verses in that chpt (that they also misinterpret, in order to come to the conclusion that they do). Peter is telling these "ye men of Israel," that they OVERLOOKED/BYPASSED the "suffering servant" passages of the OT ("His Servant Jesus" vv.13,26), thus in doing so, themselves FULFILLED those very scriptures, by putting Him to death (vv.13-15a). THESE things, they missed/overlooked (having their sights only on the "kingly REIGN" aspect of OT prophecies).
Yes.
So that they are missing Peter's actual point he's conveying in this chpt, and what he means by v.21 ("whom indeed it behooves heaven to receive until the times of restoration of all things of which God spoke by the mouth of His holy prophets from the age") and certain other verses in that chpt (that they also misinterpret, in order to come to the conclusion that they do). Peter is telling these "ye men of Israel," that they OVERLOOKED/BYPASSED the "suffering servant" passages of the OT ("His Servant Jesus" vv.13,26), thus in doing so, themselves FULFILLED those very scriptures, by putting Him to death (vv.13-15a). THESE things, they missed/overlooked (having their sights only on the "kingly REIGN" aspect of OT prophecies).
Yes.
galatians 4 has an allegory, even the word is mentioned there btw.
but you are a good example of what i always say. many new believers you cannot explain to them amillennialism without avoiding revelation 20.
its easy to proof amillennialism from matthew 25 or other passages like that. but good luck explaining to a newly saved person that revelation 20 interpretation....... its hard to explain.
first you have to say the first resurrection is spiritual, then they say but it says here rest of the dead lived not until the thousand years are passed. so do they also get a spiritual resurrection? amillennialist says no, thats a bodily resurrection the second one. problem is: that would mean the first resurrection was physical too, because it says REST of the dead lived not, the unsaved didnt get resurrected until after millennium, whereas saved did.
more problems ahead: thousand doesnt mean thousand. even if we say ok its not literal, so what? it still says that for some period of time people rule and they say well he is ruling now, satan is bound now. more problems they are still sending news broadcast every night satan is working around the clock.
if a saint dies today, he should start ruling in the millennium (figurative period) but what if second coming is tomorrow? he gets to reign only one day, but apostles have been reigning for so long already. thats strange.
they also say satan being bound doesnt mean he is inactive, it just means now gospel goes all over the place nations arent in darkness like in o.t. satan was bound at the cross. (or during Jesus' earthly mission) but thats more problem again because you know what happens after the millennium? satan is loosed! so is Jesus' mission undone at the end of millennium?
see its just so problematic the view. and they wont touch the old testament with a 50 ft stick because they have such big trouble explaining zechariah 14 for example. they will swear to you its not about the future its not literal but they also cant tell you precisely unanimously what it means.
this is why i left amillennialism it just wasnt sustainable.
some amills make big mistake saying the modern prophecy chaos is just new invention ffrom darby but really, in early church most people were premillennial, earliest document we have outside of bible like the didache is premillennial, (historic premill) and so is irenaeus and polycarp and justin martyr and those men too. amillennialism was in prototype by origen but it became really popular with augustine who invented it to fit the times of roman domination.
i apologize for sending such a big message i hope its not deleted.
but you are a good example of what i always say. many new believers you cannot explain to them amillennialism without avoiding revelation 20.
its easy to proof amillennialism from matthew 25 or other passages like that. but good luck explaining to a newly saved person that revelation 20 interpretation....... its hard to explain.
first you have to say the first resurrection is spiritual, then they say but it says here rest of the dead lived not until the thousand years are passed. so do they also get a spiritual resurrection? amillennialist says no, thats a bodily resurrection the second one. problem is: that would mean the first resurrection was physical too, because it says REST of the dead lived not, the unsaved didnt get resurrected until after millennium, whereas saved did.
more problems ahead: thousand doesnt mean thousand. even if we say ok its not literal, so what? it still says that for some period of time people rule and they say well he is ruling now, satan is bound now. more problems they are still sending news broadcast every night satan is working around the clock.
if a saint dies today, he should start ruling in the millennium (figurative period) but what if second coming is tomorrow? he gets to reign only one day, but apostles have been reigning for so long already. thats strange.
they also say satan being bound doesnt mean he is inactive, it just means now gospel goes all over the place nations arent in darkness like in o.t. satan was bound at the cross. (or during Jesus' earthly mission) but thats more problem again because you know what happens after the millennium? satan is loosed! so is Jesus' mission undone at the end of millennium?
see its just so problematic the view. and they wont touch the old testament with a 50 ft stick because they have such big trouble explaining zechariah 14 for example. they will swear to you its not about the future its not literal but they also cant tell you precisely unanimously what it means.
this is why i left amillennialism it just wasnt sustainable.
some amills make big mistake saying the modern prophecy chaos is just new invention ffrom darby but really, in early church most people were premillennial, earliest document we have outside of bible like the didache is premillennial, (historic premill) and so is irenaeus and polycarp and justin martyr and those men too. amillennialism was in prototype by origen but it became really popular with augustine who invented it to fit the times of roman domination.
i apologize for sending such a big message i hope its not deleted.
here is from didache premillennialism its in chapter16 if anyone wants to look at it, its here: https://carm.org/didache
16:1 Watch concerning your life; let not your lamps be quenched or your loins be loosed, but be ye ready, for ye know not the hour at which our Lord cometh.
16:2 But be ye gathered together frequently, seeking what is suitable for your souls; for the whole time of your faith shall profit you not, unless ye be found perfect in the last time.
16:3 For in the last days false prophets and seducers shall be multiplied, and the sheep shall be turned into wolves, and love shall be turned into hate;
16:4 and because iniquity aboundeth they shall hate each other, and persecute each other, and deliver each other up; and then shall the Deceiver of the world appear as the Son of God, and shall do signs and wonders, and the earth shall be delivered into his hands; and he shall do unlawful things, such as have never happened since the beginning of the world.
16:5 Then shall the creation of man come to the fiery trial of proof, and many shall be offended and shall perish; but they who remain in their faith shall be saved by the rock of offence itself.
16:6 And then shall appear the signs of the truth; first the sign of the appearance in heaven, then the sign of the sound of the trumpet, and thirdly the resurrection of the dead
16:7 -- not of all, but as it has been said, The Lord shall come and all his saints with him;
16:8 then shall the world behold the Lord coming on the clouds of heaven.
16:1 Watch concerning your life; let not your lamps be quenched or your loins be loosed, but be ye ready, for ye know not the hour at which our Lord cometh.
16:2 But be ye gathered together frequently, seeking what is suitable for your souls; for the whole time of your faith shall profit you not, unless ye be found perfect in the last time.
16:3 For in the last days false prophets and seducers shall be multiplied, and the sheep shall be turned into wolves, and love shall be turned into hate;
16:4 and because iniquity aboundeth they shall hate each other, and persecute each other, and deliver each other up; and then shall the Deceiver of the world appear as the Son of God, and shall do signs and wonders, and the earth shall be delivered into his hands; and he shall do unlawful things, such as have never happened since the beginning of the world.
16:5 Then shall the creation of man come to the fiery trial of proof, and many shall be offended and shall perish; but they who remain in their faith shall be saved by the rock of offence itself.
16:6 And then shall appear the signs of the truth; first the sign of the appearance in heaven, then the sign of the sound of the trumpet, and thirdly the resurrection of the dead
16:7 -- not of all, but as it has been said, The Lord shall come and all his saints with him;
16:8 then shall the world behold the Lord coming on the clouds of heaven.
John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
This is the main reason why its (almost) pointless to talk about prophecy or eschatology. It seems like everyone is deliberately fantasizing to me.
We are spiritually bankrupt but still have the arrogance to think we understand prophecy perfectly. Or perfectly enough to argue about it.
I don't really get it. Even if you are right nobody will ever know it.
This is the main reason why its (almost) pointless to talk about prophecy or eschatology. It seems like everyone is deliberately fantasizing to me.
We are spiritually bankrupt but still have the arrogance to think we understand prophecy perfectly. Or perfectly enough to argue about it.
I don't really get it. Even if you are right nobody will ever know it.
