Did Jesus ever tell us that we no longer need to keep the law of Moses?

[DeighAnn]

Ephesians 6 is about putting on the whole armour of God against the wiles of the devil who would have us working for our salvation instead of resting in the saving arms of Jesus. I shall pray for your soul.

Bless your heart

 

[DeighAnn]

Ephesians 6 is about putting on the whole armour of God against the wiles of the devil who would have us working for our salvation instead of resting in the saving arms of Jesus. I shall pray for your soul.

Revelation 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

Revelation 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

Revelation 22:14 Blessed are they that do His commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

 

[PS]

Revelation 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

Revelation 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

Revelation 22:14 Blessed are they that do His commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

Saved by the Lamb and the works that follow.

The mistake people make is that they believe keeping the law saves, and in that they are mistaken. This is why your constant referrals to the law concerns me.

 

[DeighAnn]

Saved by the Lamb and the works that follow.

The mistake people make is that they believe keeping the law saves, and in that they are mistaken. This is why your constant referrals to the law concerns me.

I am not making mistakes in the eyes of God, my constant referrals to the law are because that is what this thread is about. You may want to be over in "not by works" if salvation is all you wish to speak on. This is not the place for salvation only talk as this is about "laws". So please don't concern yourself needlessly about all the talk of law here. That is what it is for. I know where I am. I am saved. The law doesn't save me. I know that God sent His son to die for my sins. To pay my penalty. To set me free from the bondage of sin and death. I accept that freedom from the bondage of sin and death and happily walk in the saving grace of my Lord and Savior.

 

[Grandpa]

First off, if it is not you saying "one law" and Jesus fulfilled it all, I apologize right now for the mistake.

If it is you, could you please start out with some of these, because I must be perfectly honest with you, I just have never. Please, if you could just give a quick explanation of how our Lord and Saviour fulfilled these laws (I already understand how He did the ceremonial and sacrificial ones), but it is the '"ALL OR NOTHING" I keep hearing that I don't get.

Matthew 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Ok. Lets take the first part first. Nothing will be removed from the law, not even the smallest punctuation mark.

This means that EVERYTHING written in the Law is still part of the law.


Then the qualifying statement is UNTIL ALL IS FULFILLED. This means that if you know something in the law has been fulfilled (like sacrifice or ceremony) then according to the words of Jesus Christ then you KNOW that ALL THE LAW HAS BEEN FULFILLED. That's 10 commandments, mitzvah, ceremony, priest, sacrifice, and any other laws.

If ALL hasn't been fulfilled then all the jots and tittles of sacrifice and ceremony still stand.


This means that you are either under ALL of the law, sacrifices, ceremony, mitzvah, priest, 10 commandments, or you KNOW the Lord has FULFILLED all the law and you are under none of it.

If you choose parts of the law to work at then you get this;

Galatians 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Matthew 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Ok. Lets take the first part first. Nothing will be removed from the law, not even the smallest punctuation mark.

This means that EVERYTHING written in the Law is still part of the law.


Then the qualifying statement is UNTIL ALL IS FULFILLED. This means that if you know something in the law has been fulfilled (like sacrifice or ceremony) then according to the words of Jesus Christ then you KNOW that ALL THE LAW HAS BEEN FULFILLED. That's 10 commandments, mitzvah, ceremony, priest, sacrifice, and any other laws.

If ALL hasn't been fulfilled then all the jots and tittles of sacrifice and ceremony still stand.


This means that you are either under ALL of the law, sacrifices, ceremony, mitzvah, priest, 10 commandments, or you KNOW the Lord has FULFILLED all the law and you are under none of it.

If you choose parts of the law to work at then you get this;

Galatians 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

That same passage also states the purpose of the law is to lead people to Christ.

which means, as long as people need Christ, the law is still valid. to those who have yet to find Christ.

Which means they are indebted to keep it all. (which no one has done) Or come to christ, (which was its purpose to begin with, to show Israel, and US we have failed to live up to Gods standard. And thus cursed.

 

[Grandpa]

Humble yourselves before the Lord, and he will lift you up. Brothers, do not slander one another. Anyone who speaks against his brother or judges him speaks against the law and judges it. When you judge the law, you are not keeping it, but sitting in judgment on it. There is only one Lawgiver and Judge, the one who is able to save and destroy. But you—who are you to judge your neighbor?

What did the one Lawgiver and Judge give us? It must be the law, right? To judge us according to what we have done, whether we obey (the law/s he gave) Him or not.

Dear friends, I am not writing you a new command but an old one, which you have had since the beginning. This old command is the message you have heard. 1 John 2:7

This is the message you heard from the beginning: We should love one another. 1 John 3:11,

The commandments, “Do not commit adultery,” “Do not murder,” “Do not steal,” “Do not covet,” and whatever other commandment there may be, are summed up in this one rule: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” Love does no harm to its neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law. Romans 13:9-10

... “A stone that causes men to stumble and a rock that makes them fall.” They stumble because they disobey the message—which is also what they were destined for. 1 Peter 2:8

For we also have had the gospel preached to us, just as they did; but the message they heard was of no value to them, because those who heard did not combine it with faith. Hebrews 4:2

I will make those who are of the synagogue of Satan, who claim to be Jews though they are not, but are liars—I will make them come and fall down at your feet and acknowledge that I have loved you. Since you have kept my command to endure patiently, I will also keep you from the hour of trial that is going to come upon the whole world to test those who live on the earth. Revelation 3:9-10

Is it more important to work at the law or to attain Righteousness? I think Righteousness is more important

Paul who said that he will not venture to speak other than what Christ accomplished through Him in leading the Gentiles to obey God also said that what counts is faith expressing itself through love. (Romans 15:18, Galatians 5:6)

Why would you separate faith from the works of love which is walking in obedience to His commands? (2John 1:6)

Faith without works is dead. (James 2:14-26)

If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. 1 Corinthians 13:2

Christ gave us examples that we should follow in His steps. While on this earth, He lived in obedience to God's commandments, He walked in Love. Let us therefore walk as Jesus did. (1Peter 2:21, Hebrews 5:7-9, 1John 2:3-6)

Here's what Jesus said to the church in Sardis whom I believe are believers or have faith but what did He tell them?

...I have not found your deeds complete in the sight of my God. Remember, therefore, what you have received and heard; obey it, and repent. But if you do not wake up, I will come like a thief, and you will not know at what time I will come to you. Revelation 3:2-3

Confess Jesus as your Lord and Savior and Walk in Love.

God is good and His LOVE endures forever. Amen

1 Timothy 1:5-7
5 Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned:
6 From which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling;
7 Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.

I'd say that sums it up pretty well. Along with this one;

Galatians 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

 

[Grandpa]

That same passage also states the purpose of the law is to lead people to Christ.

which means, as long as people need Christ, the law is still valid. to those who have yet to find Christ.

Which means they are indebted to keep it all. (which no one has done) Or come to christ, (which was its purpose to begin with, to show Israel, and US we have failed to live up to Gods standard. And thus cursed.

The law is our schoolmaster to bring us to Christ.

The harder the law is to fulfill for us the faster it should bring us to Christ.

After we come to Christ we are no longer under the law because He gives us REST. Part of that rest is the understanding and wisdom to comprehend scripture.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The law is our schoolmaster to bring us to Christ.

The harder the law is to fulfill for us the faster it should bring us to Christ.

After we come to Christ we are no longer under the law because He gives us REST. Part of that rest is the understanding and wisdom to comprehend scripture.

I think Peter is a great example

he went from fear. denying Christ, to one of Gods most solid leaders.

All because he finally understood it was not how well he obeyed the law but it was all based on Christ and his love (even thought peter still did struggle from time to time and had to be called out by paul when he was afraid of jews)

 

[Grandpa]

Your last sentence in which you tell Grandpa he has an issue with Christ really upsets me. The law operates as we all know by condemning wrong doers, which we all are. Further, the law stands for all time, with the result that we are all on death row, except that some people have been released from the law, pardoned, and set free. Christ went one step further and died in our place. He suffered the death penalty in our room and stead so that those who turn to Him in faith believing are redeemed from the penalty of the law and are set free. Others remain under the law, and under condemnation. You know who these are who live under the law, and you know who the redeemed are, but still you choose to live under law.

I said earlier that all these legalists and judaizers really are only condemning their own selves, unknowingly.

We tried to show them. But they refuse to see.

 

[Grandpa]

Saved by the Lamb and the works that follow.

The mistake people make is that they believe keeping the law saves, and in that they are mistaken. This is why your constant referrals to the law concerns me.

Romans 9:30-32
30 What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.
31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.
32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;

I've posted this one several times. Doesn't it seem simple to understand?

Does the Righteousness of Faith Void the Law? No, of course it doesn't, it ESTABLISHES the law.


I guess the carnal mind can't grasp that our Faith in Christ is what fulfills the law and not the work of Pharisees.

 

[Grandpa]

I think Peter is a great example

he went from fear. denying Christ, to one of Gods most solid leaders.

All because he finally understood it was not how well he obeyed the law but it was all based on Christ and his love (even thought peter still did struggle from time to time and had to be called out by paul when he was afraid of jews)

Its obviously very easy to go back and be entangled by the yoke of bondage.

Paul explains over and over how the Lord fulfilled each aspect of the law and how the Christian is not under them in Christ.

Paul must have known that most of the world would be against Christians and their faith in Christ alone.

 

[Grandpa]

I am not making mistakes in the eyes of God, my constant referrals to the law are because that is what this thread is about. You may want to be over in "not by works" if salvation is all you wish to speak on. This is not the place for salvation only talk as this is about "laws". So please don't concern yourself needlessly about all the talk of law here. That is what it is for. I know where I am. I am saved. The law doesn't save me. I know that God sent His son to die for my sins. To pay my penalty. To set me free from the bondage of sin and death. I accept that freedom from the bondage of sin and death and happily walk in the saving grace of my Lord and Savior.

1 Corinthians 15:55-57
55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?

56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.

57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.


Should we have that changed?

"Thanks be to God, which gives us the victory through our work at the 10 commandments"?



If the Lord has given us freedom from the bondage of sin and death why would we go back and work at what gives sin its strength?

Even after the admonition of the Apostles NOT TO?

 

[gb9]

Its obviously very easy to go back and be entangled by the yoke of bondage.

Paul explains over and over how the Lord fulfilled each aspect of the law and how the Christian is not under them in Christ.

Paul must have known that most of the world would be against Christians and their faith in Christ alone.

and that is also what many miss about the Narrow Way.

they think " I have to do my part, I have to earn my keep, O.K., I am saved by belief , but I must keep the Law and the Sabbath and the Feasts to properly walk out my salvation...……..


this is just as much of the broad way as getting drunk and gambling all your money away...

 

[Dan_473]

so I was reading some of the posts earlier that were talking about dividing the law into categories such as commandments or ordinances.

if you feel that this ought to be done, how many categories is the law then divided into?

how do you tell the difference between the categories? for example, what is the difference between a statute and a precept?

what categories do you say ought to be done today?

 

[posthuman]

so I was reading some of the posts earlier that were talking about dividing the law into categories such as commandments or ordinances.

if you feel that this ought to be done, how many categories is the law then divided into?

how do you tell the difference between the categories? for example, what is the difference between a statute and a precept?

what categories do you say ought to be done today?

Ephesians 2:15 says the commandments are contained in ordinances, so if the ordinances were blotted out being nailed to the cross ((Colossians 2:14)) the commandments also were, with them, contained in them.

 

[posthuman]

I think Peter is a great example

he went from fear. denying Christ, to one of Gods most solid leaders.

All because he finally understood it was not how well he obeyed the law but it was all based on Christ and his love (even thought peter still did struggle from time to time and had to be called out by paul when he was afraid of jews)

And knowing this didn't make Paul try to excuse licentiousness, like is commonly the accusation against us when we confirm that Christ has secured our freedom. Instead, he devoted himself to doing good and encouraging good works in others through knowledge of God and the truth of this gospel

 

[eternally-gratefull]

And knowing this didn't make Paul try to excuse licentiousness, like is commonly the accusation against us when we confirm that Christ has secured our freedom. Instead, he devoted himself to doing good and encouraging good works in others through knowledge of God and the truth of this gospel

I believe Paul spoke against licentiousness also. I just think people do not see it. because most of his writings dealt with legalism.

 

[PS]

Romans 9:30-32
30 What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.
31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.
32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;

I've posted this one several times. Doesn't it seem simple to understand?

Does the Righteousness of Faith Void the Law? No, of course it doesn't, it ESTABLISHES the law.


I guess the carnal mind can't grasp that our Faith in Christ is what fulfills the law and not the work of Pharisees.

Let's try another translation.

Rom 9:30-32 What does all of this mean? It means that the Gentiles were not trying to be acceptable to God, but they found that he would accept them if they had faith.
It also means that the people of Israel were not acceptable to God. And why not? It was because they were trying to be acceptable by obeying the Law instead of by having faith in God. The people of Israel fell over the stone that makes people stumble.

 

[PS]

Its obviously very easy to go back and be entangled by the yoke of bondage.

Paul explains over and over how the Lord fulfilled each aspect of the law and how the Christian is not under them in Christ.

Paul must have known that most of the world would be against Christians and their faith in Christ alone.

Someone I was reading the other day, was of the opinion that Paul's thorn in the flesh was his own people. They persecuted him terribly.