Why I now believe that salvation can be lost.
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I do not recall you ever asking me for Scripture and offhand, I only know two passages from memory BUT what I say is CLEARLY scriptural as I say what the Scripture says even if I do not directly quote passages. Those who truly know God's Word recognise what I am saying as being Biblical. I truly believe and God's Word does support my belief that we MUST believe, love, obey, repent when we disobey and obeying is not works but doing what God commands we MUST or we WILL do
No matter what I say, you pick holes in it and I do not see any value to such holes .. Christ IS the ONE and ONLY Way, Truth, and Life, so, we must believe first, and the rest follows .. you keep saying obedience is works and I say it is not, so we shall have to agree to disagree on that .. I have said all I can say and as clearly as I can say it, so I am not going to keep on repeating it ..
I was saying what three OSAS believing Christians responded to my question and they clearly would see no need to repent for murder and for allowing an innocent person to be executed for the murder they committed .. I know many OSAS believers who say the same about sinning in that they believe they are saved so no matter how much they sin and do not repent, they remain saved .. I disagree with them 100%
There is a difference between doing God's will IN ORDER TO BECOME SAVED: John 6:40 - For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.
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Doing God's will AFTER WE HAVE BEEN SAVED: 1 Thessalonians 5:14 - Now we exhort you, brethren, warn those who are unruly, comfort the fainthearted, uphold the weak, be patient with all. 15 See that no one renders evil for evil to anyone, but always pursue what is good both for yourselves and for all. 16 Rejoice always, 17 pray without ceasing, 18 in everything give thanks; for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus for you.
Works-salvationists generally define faith "as" obedience, then try to deny that performing acts of obedience (which follow faith) are works.
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Doing God's will AFTER WE HAVE BEEN SAVED: 1 Thessalonians 5:14 - Now we exhort you, brethren, warn those who are unruly, comfort the fainthearted, uphold the weak, be patient with all. 15 See that no one renders evil for evil to anyone, but always pursue what is good both for yourselves and for all. 16 Rejoice always, 17 pray without ceasing, 18 in everything give thanks; for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus for you.
Works-salvationists generally define faith "as" obedience, then try to deny that performing acts of obedience (which follow faith) are works.
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what about your lie, or your not doing what God wanted you to do. or any other sin.
Why do you all seem to think that because you use murder as an example it proves you right?
King David was called a man after Gods own heart BEFORE he murdered a woman's husband after he got his wife pregnant, Did God mess up and not know David was going to do this?
Of course, David confessed his sin, But that did not re-save himself or keep him saved, It is because the HS convicted him as he does all Gods children.
Why do you all seem to think that because you use murder as an example it proves you right?
King David was called a man after Gods own heart BEFORE he murdered a woman's husband after he got his wife pregnant, Did God mess up and not know David was going to do this?
Of course, David confessed his sin, But that did not re-save himself or keep him saved, It is because the HS convicted him as he does all Gods children.