THE CALLING OUT OF THE BRIDE, to go to The Wedding of the Lamb

dcontroversal · Sep 4, 2019

VCO said:

I just did......and the implication is obvious....but like I see...many still reject the truth to peddle that which is false.......those bidden refused (JEWS) that LEAVES the GENTILES and twice at the WEDDING SUPPER they are called guests.......

Blows my mind how many just flat refuse the word of GOD in favor of peddle tradition

garee · Sep 4, 2019

wattie said:

I don't think the meaning is switched, but more the discipline must be interpreted as well as forgiveness . In that way the church is used as a shadow like in ceremonial laws pointing to the unseen eternal. representatives of his power that we have in our earthen bodies but never of us.

Some contribute it to men and set up confessional booths as if it was men that forgave the eternal wage of sin .Most likely how in most translation the binding and loosening was turned upside giving a false idea.. . no forgiveness .(Catholicism)

And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican. Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on "earth" shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on "earth" shall be loosed in heaven.Mathew 18:18-19 KJV

There the binding and loosening authority is accredited to earth .Might as well say earthly... inspired from the devil

Very deceitful even in most of the newer translations they take away the authority of God not seen and give it to men seen.

The Young's literal has turned it right side up .

`Verily I say to you, Whatever things ye may bind upon the "earth" shall be "having been" bound in the heavens, and whatever things ye may loose on the "earth" shall be having been loosed in the heavens.Again, I say to you, that, if two of you may agree on the earth concerning anything, whatever they may ask -- it shall be done to them from my Father who is in the heavens, Mathew 18:18-19 YLT

The church is the bride. The kingdom of God comes not by observation. And no such thing as non denominational .That word makes up one used by many .

Let the churches hear what the Spirit says . Not what its leaders say .Like the bearens search the scriptures daily seeing we are to seek the approval of Him not seen as he directs us through His word. Not as if men were in the place of our father in heaven again as Catholicism. We start and finish from whom we had our first experience of His love working in us. Witnessing to our new born again spirits we are children of God.

A ggod example in revelation 2 the assembly were having faith in respect to that seen Nicole maybe the main speaker? They had left their first love hearing God not seen but rather walking by sight looking to the flesh (Nicolaitans,) .

`But I have against thee: That thy first love (hearing and therefore believing God . . called the hearing of faith ) thou didst leave! remember, then, whence thou hast fallen, and reform, and the first works (beleive God not seen and not man Nicole seen) do; and if not, I come to thee quickly, and will remove thy lamp-stand from its place -- if thou mayest not reform; but this thou hast, that thou dost hate the works of the Nicolaitans, that I also hate.He who is having an ear -- let him hear what the Spirit saith to the assemblies: Revelation 2:4-11

Not what assembly says to the assemblies .

VCO · Sep 4, 2019

Melach said:

So, it is my opinion, that is your mistake, not mine. It is not my job to convince you of the pre-trib Rapture. Those who are to be invited to attend, will be convinced by the Holy Spirit.

dcontroversal · Sep 4, 2019

VCO said:

And those that are convinced that it is POST TRIB are convinced by the same SPIRIT that you reference......and like YOU...I once believed that drivel!

TheDivineWatermark · Sep 4, 2019

Absolutely said:

[bracketed reference mine ^]

I've repeatedly pointed out how [both] G347 ['shall sit down' (around a table/at a meal)] and G345 ['reclining' (especially at a dinner table)] are speaking of the promised and prophesied earthly Millennial Kingdom (aka "the wedding FEAST/SUPPER," aka "the kingdom OF THE heavenS [on the earth, upon His "RETURN" there]").

Not "UP IN Heaven" (see Lk12:36-37,38,40-42 "when he will RETURN FROM the wedding..." [i.e. as ALREADY-WED and returning "WITH [G4862 'unioned-with' His 'Bride/Wife [singular]']," THEN the meal! [the earthly MK age]; etc...)

[note also (as I've pointed out in past posts), that Eph1:10 (and the word found there) is also not speaking of "in this present age [singular]" (the NOW), as the rest of Eph IS referring to (such as Eph1:20-23's WHEN, and other passages therein)]

Point to notice: they were "INVITED" (to the wedding FEAST/SUPPER [not "the MARRIAGE" itself])

VCO · Sep 4, 2019

dcontroversal said:

Here is Dallas Theological Seminary's take on Mat. 22:8-14, specifically why was the Wedding Guest, was REJECTED, in the undelined part.

(quote) Mat. 22:8-14. The wedding banquet, however, was prepared. Since those who were first invited had rejected the invitation, opportunity to attend was then given to a broader group. Though the invitation was extended to both good and bad, individual preparation was still necessary. This was evidenced by the fact that one guest at the banquet had not made adequate preparation. He had failed to appropriate what the king provided for he was not wearing the proper wedding clothes. (Apparently the king gave them all wedding clothes as they arrived, for they came off the streets [v. 10]. A person must respond not only outwardly, but also he must be rightly related to God the King by appropriating all the King provides.) Consequently this guest was cast out into a place of separation and suffering. (For comments on weeping and gnashing of teeth, see 13:42.) While the kingdom had now been expanded to include individuals from all races and backgrounds (many are invited), there is an election (few are chosen). And yet individual response is essential.

The Bible Knowledge Commentary: An Exposition of the Scriptures by Dallas Seminary Faculty. (end quote)

My PERSONAL BELIEF is the BRIDEGROOM CHOSE THE BRIDE, and made a contract with the FATHER to REDEEM the BRIDE, and we were BOUGHT WITH THAT PRICE. That to me Convinced me BEYOND A SHADOW OF A DOUBT, we are THE BRIDE, and CHRIST PAID THE BRIDE PRICE FOR US.

Now, I JUST NOW LOOKED UP J. Vernon McGee comments on this PORTION OF SCRIPTURE, for the first time in my life. He seems to HAVE NAILED IT, AS FAR AS, WHAT IS THE PROPER WEDDING GARMENT. It solidifies that we are the BRIDE.

(QUOTE)
What is that wedding garment? The King's invitation is for everyone, but there is a danger of coming without meeting the demands of the King. That wedding garment is the righteousness of Christ which is absolutely essential for salvation, and it is supplied to all who believe. The apostle Paul speaks of this imputed righteousness: "But now the righteousness of God without the law [that is, apart from the law] is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; Even the righteousness of [from] God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all [it comes down upon all] them that believe: for there is no difference" (Rom. 3:21-22). All have to have a wedding garment.

Thru The Bible with J. Vernon McGee. (End QUOTE)

In Rev. 22:4 is CLEAR evidence that all true believers of all time, that we will BE THE BRIDE of CHRIST. THE BRIDE REIGNS WITH THE KING.

Revelation 20:4 (NASB)
4 Then I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony of Jesus and because of the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received the mark on their forehead and on their hand; and they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.

dcontroversal · Sep 4, 2019

VCO said:

Here is Dallas Theological Seminary's take on Mat. 22:8-14, specifically why was the Wedding Guest, was REJECTED, in the undelined part.

(quote) Mat. 22:8-14. The wedding banquet, however, was prepared. Since those who were first invited had rejected the invitation, opportunity to attend was then given to a broader group. Though the invitation was extended to both good and bad, individual preparation was still necessary. This was evidenced by the fact that one guest at the banquet had not made adequate preparation. He had failed to appropriate what the king provided for he was not wearing the proper wedding clothes. (Apparently the king gave them all wedding clothes as they arrived, for they came off the streets [v. 10]. A person must respond not only outwardly, but also he must be rightly related to God the King by appropriating all the King provides.) Consequently this guest was cast out into a place of separation and suffering. (For comments on weeping and gnashing of teeth, see 13:42.) While the kingdom had now been expanded to include individuals from all races and backgrounds (many are invited), there is an election (few are chosen). And yet individual response is essential.

The Bible Knowledge Commentary: An Exposition of the Scriptures by Dallas Seminary Faculty. (end quote)

My PERSONAL BELIEF is the BRIDEGROOM CHOSE THE BRIDE, and made a contract with the FATHER to REDEEM the BRIDE, and we were BOUGHT WITH THAT PRICE. That to me Convinced me BEYOND A SHADOW OF A DOUBT, we are THE BRIDE, and CHRIST PAID THE BRIDE PRICE FOR US.

Now, I JUST NOW LOOKED UP J. Vernon McGee comments on this PORTION OF SCRIPTURE, for the first time in my life. He seems to HAVE NAILED IT, AS FAR AS, WHAT IS THE PROPER WEDDING GARMENT. It solidifies that we are the BRIDE.

(QUOTE)
What is that wedding garment? The King's invitation is for everyone, but there is a danger of coming without meeting the demands of the King. That wedding garment is the righteousness of Christ which is absolutely essential for salvation, and it is supplied to all who believe. The apostle Paul speaks of this imputed righteousness: "But now the righteousness of God without the law [that is, apart from the law] is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; Even the righteousness of [from] God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all [it comes down upon all] them that believe: for there is no difference" (Rom. 3:21-22). All have to have a wedding garment.

Thru The Bible with J. Vernon McGee. (End QUOTE)

In Rev. 22:4 is CLEAR evidence that all true believers of all time, that we will BE THE BRIDE of CHRIST. THE BRIDE REIGNS WITH THE KING.

Revelation 20:4 (NASB)
4 Then I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony of Jesus and because of the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received the mark on their forehead and on their hand; and they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.

I could care less what Dallas Theological Seminary (a liberal SBC organization) has to say on any subject.

KJV1611 · Sep 4, 2019

TheDivineWatermark said:

'Thank you... that was my point. Those verses prove that since we are the body of Christ RIGHT NOW, we have already been married to Christ.

VCO · Sep 4, 2019

dcontroversal said:

I will still keep ready for my Bridegroom. I hope you do too, even those you believe int the Post-Trib. Do you KNOW, how excited I GET, thinking HE COULD BE HERE ANY TIME. I would not trade that for ALL THE TEA IN CHINA. I do not get discouraged, when a day passes and HE is not yet. HE has given me one more Day to tell someone is ABOUT THE LORD.

Now I NEED to tell you a true life Story about anticipating HIS EMINENT Calling Out of the BRIDE. I saw this SCENE LIVE, IN PERSON, IN FULL LIVING COLOR:

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That was about 25 years ago, when I lived in Crescent City, California. I was traveling west on 7th Street, in my Mail Truck, about 3 blocks from the Ocean, when SUDDENLY THAT HOLE IN THE CLOUD COVER, OPENED UP IN LESS THAN A SECOND, AND THE BEAM OF LIGHT CAME POURING OUT OF THAT HOLE. BECAUSE I BELIEVE IN A PRE-TRIBULATION RAPTURE, I GOT A SPECIAL BLESSING BEYOND BELIEF FROM SEEING THAT LIGHT BEAM COME SHOOTING DOWN TO THE EARTH. I SHOUTED "IS THAT YOU LORD?" I immediately pulled over to the curb, and INSTANTLY Called that My Afternoon Break, and watched the Phenomena. REVEALING in the Thought, "SOME DAY THAT WILL BE THE LORD, COMING IN THOSE CLOUDS."

I would not TRADE that BLESSED EXPERIENCE, for all the riches in this world, yet alone YOUR theology, that would have left me just thinking, "Man that is sure unusual."

That was printed in the Paper, and it was WAY BEFORE I even had a Cell Phone, and the building in the background is the Crescent City, CA. Light House, which was about 5 blocks south of me. Can you see the ENCOURAGEMENT, and BLESSING I receive because I believe in HIS EMINENT Calling Out the Bride?

dcontroversal · Sep 4, 2019

VCO said:

Brother, you can believe what you want to be and NO experience in the world over rides the word of GOD....PAUL was clear and the BODY presence of JESUS, THAT IS TO SAY, our gathering together UNTO HIM SHALL NOT HAPPEN until the APOSTASY AND the MAN of SIN be revealed. NOT only that JESUS stated clearly, as evidenced by 3 of the 4 gospels that the INGATHERING will COME AFTER the GREAT TRIBULATION........I am sorry if you or others cannot accept these truths and or BE OPEN to learning and instruction because of a closed MIND......

TheDivineWatermark · Sep 4, 2019

KJV1611 said:

I'm not too terribly opposed to agreement with this [somewhat] as it relates to individual believers, but my viewpoint is that "our Rapture" (which I believe is at a set time already determined by God) takes place, the last member of "the Church which is His body" having come to faith, that this is when it will be true of us as a corporate body (like, as I've mentioned in the past, 1Cor11:26 ["TILL"] alludes to [not to mention Rom11:25, etc])… the "AS ONE" in 1Th4:17 (distinct from the "[gathered] ONE BY ONE" of Isa27:12-13/Matt24:29-31 [which is NOT speaking of our Rapture, per context]!) [see also the G4862 word there in THESS]

[note: I believe "parousia" is used of our Lord in BOTH/EACH instance: our Rapture, AND His Second Coming to the earth... it just depends on "in whose presence" He will be (for each, distinctly); and "where" (ditto)!]

dcontroversal · Sep 4, 2019

TheDivineWatermark said:

I have a question.....

The bible states....BLESSED is he that hath part in the 1st resurrection upon whom the 2nd death hath no power.

IF the resurrection of the blessed SAVED and change of the BLESSED saved takes place pre-trib WHEN do ALL of the saints that are KILLED by the BEAST for refusing to take the make get resurrected?

Imminent return does not jive with the above...POST-TRIB PRE-WRATH does!

TheDivineWatermark · Sep 4, 2019

dcontroversal said:

I've mentioned in past posts:

--our Rapture (which includes a resurrection, of course) pertains SOLELY to "the Church which is His body"

--Revelation 20:6 says, "Blessed and holy is he HAVING A PART in the resurrection, the first" (that is, "the resurrection OF LIFE"--Jesus'... "the many" in Matt27 [32ad, when Jesus was]... the Church which is His body... the 2W [at the 6th Trumpet/2nd Woe point in the chronology]… the OT saints [per Dan12:13 "at the end of the [very specific set of days named in that chpt]"]… the Trib saints who die/are martyred in the trib yrs [Rev20:4, also at end of trib]… ALL of these are "HAVING A PART" in the FIRST resurrection (that "OF LIFE"), though not all at the same point-in-time of the chronology; and this is also what the phrase is saying in 1Cor15:23 "[re: resurrection] but EACH [this Grk word means, "of more than two"] IN HIS OWN ORDER" (this phrase would be superfluous, if there remains only ONE--there doesn't! There's a SEQUENCE involved!)

--OT saints are "resurrected" (not promised "rapture"!) at the END of the trib (and "BLESSED" to be part of the promised and prophesied EARTHLY MK age, like in Matt8:11 and parallel [G347, as I showed]); and Dan12:13 as mentioned above

--Trib saints who DIE in the trib, are also "resurrected" (not promised "rapture"!) at the END of the trib, per Rev20:4b as mentioned above

--MK saints (those born to the ones who ENTER the MK age) are not "raptured" either (they've not been promised this either)… and "death" will be very rare and only applicable to the rebellious (i.e. unsaved... who we see in the later GWTj along with the unsaved dead of all times--"the resurrection of damnation/judgment")

azamzimtoti · Sep 4, 2019

The "wedding" was back in the 1st century when the temple and Jerusalem was destroyed and when the Jews who were invited were cast out in whom was found the blood of the prophets

(Rev 18:24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.)

After the above follows the "marriage" supper:

(Rev 19:9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.)

The above is the same time as Abraham sitting down in the kingdom:

(Mat 8:11 And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven)

(Mat 8:12 But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.)

dcontroversal · Sep 4, 2019

TheDivineWatermark said:

I've mentioned in past posts:

--our Rapture (which includes a resurrection, of course) pertains SOLELY to "the Church which is His body"

--Revelation 20:6 says, "Blessed and holy is he HAVING A PART in the resurrection, the first" (that is, "the resurrection OF LIFE"--Jesus'... "the many" in Matt27 [32ad, when Jesus was]... the Church which is His body... the 2W [at the 6th Trumpet/2nd Woe point in the chronology]… the OT saints [per Dan12:13 "at the end of the [very specific set of days named in that chpt]"]… the Trib saints who die/are martyred in the trib yrs [Rev20:4, also at end of trib]… ALL of these are "HAVING A PART" in the FIRST resurrection (that "OF LIFE"), though not all at the same point-in-time of the chronology; and this is also what the phrase is saying in 1Cor15:23 "[re: resurrection] but EACH [this Grk word means, "of more than two"] IN HIS OWN ORDER" (this phrase would be superfluous, if there remains only ONE--there doesn't! There's a SEQUENCE involved!)

--OT saints are "resurrected" (not promised "rapture"!) at the END of the trib (and "BLESSED" to be part of the promised and prophesied EARTHLY MK age, like in Matt8:11 and parallel [G347, as I showed]); and Dan12:13 as mentioned above

--Trib saints who DIE in the trib, are also "resurrected" (not promised "rapture"!) at the END of the trib, per Rev20:4b as mentioned above

--MK saints (those born to the ones who ENTER the MK age) are not "raptured" either (they've not been promised this either)… and "death" will be very rare and only applicable to the rebellious (i.e. unsaved... who we see in the later GWTj along with the unsaved dead of all times--"the resurrection of damnation/judgment")

HAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHHAAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHA that has got to be one of the most incorrect interpretations I have ever seen.....the EVENT is ONE and the same....the RESURRECTION/CHANGE is ONE event....not two

WOW man....you guys butcher the word to hold on to a tradition started by men......WOW

Melach · Sep 4, 2019

Absolutely said:

revelation 14 doesnt mention a rapture nor resurrection its similar to joel 3.

also i notice revelation isnt in chronological order, why:

Rev 18:2 And he called out with a mighty voice, “Fallen, fallen is Babylon the great! She has become a dwelling place for demons, a haunt for every unclean spirit, a haunt for every unclean bird, a haunt for every unclean and detestable beast.

Rev 14:8 Another angel, a second, followed, saying, “Fallen, fallen is Babylon the great, she who made all nations drink the wine of the passion of her sexual immorality.”

does babylon fall twice?

Rev 6:14 The sky vanished like a scroll that is being rolled up, and every mountain and island was removed from its place.

Rev 16:20 And every island fled away, and no mountains were to be found.

many more examples but this to me points to fact that revelation isnt chronological.

dcontroversal · Sep 4, 2019

WOW.....I cannot believe some of the rigmarole peddled by some on this site......a division between O.T. Saints and N.T Saints when it comes to the resurrection/change....

I really thought I had heard it all until NOW....

EVEN JOB, MARTHA, JESUS and JOHN ALL stated the resurrection/change was at the LAST DAY......

When the 7th trump begins to sound TIME shall be no more

You guys should buy a cake making bakery....because you all take the cake!

Melach · Sep 4, 2019

dcontroversal said:

they complicate everything by splitting things. so many resurrections raptures phases and groups of people all separated and cut up its weird.

corinthians is clear on order of resurrection:

1. Jesus Christ first fruits (happened already)
2. Those that are Christ's at His coming.

^thats at the second coming by the way, THE parousia not a coming and then there is another coming. no need for confusion

TheDivineWatermark · Sep 4, 2019

Melach said:

Pretty sure I disagree with Abs, but...

I do believe that the "SEALS, TRUMPETS, VIALS" *ARE* chronological (not to mention the point made in Rev1:19), whereas all the other parts of Rev work in around these

Melach · Sep 4, 2019

dcontroversal said:

amen big bro

last day thats it. if only people would realize rapture is the resurrection. its literally the same thing. those that are dead rise first, then us who remain are transformed. different mechanic, same timing, same result simple

THE CALLING OUT OF THE BRIDE, to go to The Wedding of the Lamb

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