Not all who are "dispensational" see the Rapture goin down in the manner you describe above (in the bold).
Just sayin
THE CALLING OUT OF THE BRIDE, to go to The Wedding of the Lamb
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Not all who are "dispensational" see the Rapture goin down in the manner you describe above (in the bold).
Just sayin
I think this Artist did a pretty good Rapture Picture.
He pictures the Individuals as the Invited Guests,
AND
The Collective TOTAL of all the SAINTS as HIS BRIDE, the Immersed into the Spiritual Body of CHRIST.
It looks like the vision of the resurrection on the last day when we receive our new incoruutped bodies as a parable in Revelation 12.
The glory of the Lord shining down. The Sun and moon, the corruption time keepers under her feet. Its the last day she is coming prepared as his bride clothed in the righteousness of Christ .Neither Jew nor gentile male nor female as the mother of us all (Galatian 4).
She is represented as 144,000 a number no man can count. God does not give exact number comes to time and people. Thousands died when David violated that principle.
She made up of old tesetemmt as well as new testament saints. Salvation never had to do with ones flesh as if God was a respecter of persons.. God has always been the Father of all nations. We walk by faith (the unseen eternal not by sight after the temporal things of this world.
Why avoid the prescritption that allows us to look tohrough the darks sdaying as parables?
2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.
Not all who are "dispensational" see the Rapture goin down in the manner you describe above (in the bold).
Just sayin
Thanks. But why dispensations as all? Abel received grace that came by hearing and believing God not seen.
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Whens the rapture? Thats a pre-postreous question!
My church is pre-trib and all the good preachers I know are pre-trib. Thats about it!
My church is pre-trib and all the good preachers I know are pre-trib. Thats about it!
dispensations makes sense to me otherwise bible would contradict itself like crazy. God did different things and different plans for different peopel at different times is true.
what made me move from amil was the following:
amillennialism teaches that the first resurrection in revelation 20 is spiritual. that refutes amillennialism.
Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
this verse says the resurrection of 'the rest' live again after the millennium. now if that living again is a resurrection like those of the first resurrection which amill say is spiritual. that would mean all those 'the rest' would be saved and spiritually resurrected.
but we see its talking about physical rising up again. its the natural reading of the verses too.
another thing thats also ridicilous to say is that satan is bound now thats just stupid. i cant believe i used to defend that to people im so stupid.
I was Amil.(Churches of Christ) from birth to about 18-21. I spent summers with my grand parents(also Amil) and then when I moved to a different town at about 18 I went to another Amil Church. They all saw to see things spiritual/symbolic ect. but none of the preachers,deacons were saying the same things. I suppose if one chooses to explain things spiritually/symbolic and there are 100 deacons between 3 different Churches there will be 100 different ideas of what the same thing means,,,so I left.
13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.
14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.
15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.
16 And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.
A rapture or gathering DURING the gt.
And yes,we apparently see NO RESURRECTION.
Rapture yes
Resurrection no
Will await your clever rearranging of rev 14
they spiritualize out of necessity.
amillennialism was systemized by augustine and he made it really popular. the catholic church adopted it. because at that time the church was 'ruling and reigning' so the millennium was now. apostasy was not a thing to consider for them then. then when reformation came they didnt touch eschatology at all and all that came with luther and rest reformers.
one reason i believe amillennialism was held to: hatred for jews. im sorry to say. but martin luther was a great man yes, but he was also very hateful of the jews and bitter for not reaching them. just like the catholic church was.
the earthly millennium is big problem for those who dont have a future for israel. so they have to wiggle out of it.
Wow
Once again leave off the pretrib verses.
Works only in your circles.
How many years have you ignored the obvious?
Where does the rapture in rev 14 fit your deal?
Rev 14 rapture DURING the gt.
I'm so to speak out side the camps now, I find it interesting to just follow along and watch to see if any of the different camp's agree on issues or if they will say "I almost see it that way...ect".
It all boils down to the words "thousand years". The word thousand is used to represent a unknow as to whatever is in view. Time people, food, mountains, peace etc. Walk by faith the unseen eternal not what after the eyes see the temporal corrupted
The word thousand is used to represent a unknow amount of time we walk by faith not as those who numbers. the word thousand is used in that way many times in parables that hide the unseen understanding form the lost we are given the understanding as the signified language of Christ .In the first verse of Revelation 1 he sets up the standard .
2 Corinthians 10:12 For we dare not make ourselves of the number, or compare ourselves with some that commend themselves: but they measuring themselves by themselves, and comparing themselves among themselves, are not wise.
Last day, the end of time . .signified by the metaphor "thousand years"
The word as always denotes a parable is in view . Comparing two things
Psalm 90:4For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night.
Ecclesiastes 6:6Yea, though he live a thousand years twice told, yet hath he seen no good: do not all go to one place?
If they lived 5000 years and yet have not receiving the good news gospel they might as well lived a million
2 Peter 3:8But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
Not is again as.
Revelation 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
Or until the last day used 6 times in the book of John
Revelation 20:3And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
Revelation 20:5But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
Revelation 20:6Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
Revelation 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
No prescription required to receive the unseen to understanding in parables (the gospel). Then no vision. Men simply walk by sight .
Literalizing the word of God making the parables without effect.
2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.
Well,it is nice when you jump in.
So many views are not tested. They do get that here.
We are given a partial picture. Nobody has all the pieces.
We can however,eliminate the impossible theories and placement
In 2Cor10:12, I don't see either the word "to number [verb; G705 arithmeó (like is in Rev7:9)]" nor the word "[the] number [noun; G706 arithmos (like is in Rev5:11 and 7:4, and Acts 6:7)]"
https://biblehub.com/text/2_corinthians/10-12.htm
[G706 - arithmos] https://biblehub.com/greek/strongs_706.htm
[G705 - arithmeó] https://biblehub.com/greek/strongs_705.htm
...so I'm not sure why you've emphasized in it the quote, above (only for the fact that to do so seems [to YOU] to support your viewpoint).
"The last day" is not a "24-hr day" (as so many suggest!), nor is it suggesting that at the 7th Trumpet no more "time" follows (i.e. "the end of time")… The fact that Isaiah 24:21-22[23] parallels [time-wise] Revelation 19:19,21/16:14-16/20:5, so that the FIRST of the TWO "PUNISH" words in Isaiah 24:21-22[23] is followed by a TIME-PERIOD (same as in Rev19-20), after which, the SECOND of the TWO "PUNISH" words is carried out (same as in Rev20:11-15 GWTj) proves that the "amill-teaching" [idea] of "NO MORE TIME" (at that point-in-time they suggest) does not hold up to scrutiny.
[this is NOT the point being made in Rev10:6-7, etc]
I was looking at Zola Levitt's(in OP) web site trying to figure out how he came up with his "Jewish wedding" resources. Not that I am knocking the OP(sounds reasonable at a glance) but if it is a "Jewish wedding" the bride (woman) must be Jewish. If the woman is "gentile" the wedding would not be preformed or acknowledged as legitimate in Judaism(remember Ezra).
I read an article long ago (doubt I could find it now, but may give it a try) that was fairly good in its cautioning of [/against] using the [oft-referred to] "Jewish wedding [model]" to get our ideas from, as there are a number of discrepancies (they pointed out, fairly well)… which I agreed with said article (for the most part)… My view is, where it matches Scripture, okay, but where it deviates (and in some places, does so), then not okay there. [I'm not sure where Z.Levitt's view would fall, in this regard..., so not speaking of him in particular. I simply do not recall]
^ I think I may have that book title/hard copy (I did mention before, that my book collection spans the entire gamut of viewpoints 
[by the ton! lol])… and if I'm recalling correctly (plz correct me if I'm mistaken here), does he suggest that the "10 [or even the 5] Virgins [PLURAL]" are who Jesus is supposed to be coming to MARRY??
(I've mentioned numerous times, here on CC, that I wholly disagree with that "take" on things; they [these PLURAL virgins] are who will "G3326 - meta - ACCOMPANY" Him into "the wedding FEAST/SUPPER" [the earthly MK commencing upon His "RETURN" to the earth; NOT "the MARRIAGE" itself! (G4862 instead!)]--these [PLURAL] virgins never lift off the earth!)
[by the ton! lol])… and if I'm recalling correctly (plz correct me if I'm mistaken here), does he suggest that the "10 [or even the 5] Virgins [PLURAL]" are who Jesus is supposed to be coming to MARRY??(I've mentioned numerous times, here on CC, that I wholly disagree with that "take" on things; they [these PLURAL virgins] are who will "G3326 - meta - ACCOMPANY" Him into "the wedding FEAST/SUPPER" [the earthly MK commencing upon His "RETURN" to the earth; NOT "the MARRIAGE" itself! (G4862 instead!)]--these [PLURAL] virgins never lift off the earth!)
Also being from Texas as I remember Zola Levitt was "anti- progressive Dispensation"(not a supporter) and made frequent attacks against it. (see under theology) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zola_Levitt Levitt was an "classical Disp."
Ruth.
In the book of ruth the bride is gentile.
Naomi,the Jewess, is covenant through lineage. She was the set up to see to it ruth connected with Boaz.
So the connection is like a circle.
Naomi got her inheritance,while ruth entered into a better covenant.
Both appeared to have covenant through boaz. (Jesus)
But yes the Jews are thecwayward wife.
Gentiles the bride
Btw,i also researched the bride thingy and it was difficult to find.
I even called the Jews for Jesus and talked to a few of them.
The ancient wedding ceremony is the key.