Luke 17 - Where are they taken?
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Ya know,if you don't test fit,you will never get to the truth.
Just humor me and test fit it.
The vulture body thing just plain bizzare to think wicked folks in a peacetime enviroment,with the mark of the beast,in bed and working with believers,doing commerce in a destroyed planet,and God takes the wicked BEFORE THE RAPTURE, Is most likely the greatest fable man has contrived using no biblical context.
Then when context is added,we MUST default to skipping context.
Just humor me and test fit it.
The vulture body thing just plain bizzare to think wicked folks in a peacetime enviroment,with the mark of the beast,in bed and working with believers,doing commerce in a destroyed planet,and God takes the wicked BEFORE THE RAPTURE, Is most likely the greatest fable man has contrived using no biblical context.
Then when context is added,we MUST default to skipping context.
Test fit ok - The dead body is the body of Christ and the eagles are believers. The believers are eating the flesh of Christ... does that fit?
Oh yes it does and thank you very much because I now understand the verse. The carcass is the dead body of Christ which is the word of God. The eagles are believers that are taken into the body of Christ and feast off of his word.
Luke 17 is pointing directly to the death burial and resurrection of Christ.
You're going to see this just like the folks who didn't see what Christ was saying when he mentioned eating his body and drinking his blood... so no need to comment on this post.
Oh yes it does and thank you very much because I now understand the verse. The carcass is the dead body of Christ which is the word of God. The eagles are believers that are taken into the body of Christ and feast off of his word.
Luke 17 is pointing directly to the death burial and resurrection of Christ.
You're going to see this just like the folks who didn't see what Christ was saying when he mentioned eating his body and drinking his blood... so no need to comment on this post.
I'm going to try to show you that I didn't make it up.
Jesus said the following:
Joh 6:53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.
Assuming that you don't relegate this to "a figure of speech", what does a believer EAT that is considered to be the FLESH of Jesus?
Jesus said the following:
Joh 6:53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.
Assuming that you don't relegate this to "a figure of speech", what does a believer EAT that is considered to be the FLESH of Jesus?
Like I said I really don't know much about this, and do need to study it, more....but why would it have to be only those two situations.
I could throw a C) option into it for you, if you want! And probably a D) but I'll refrain from that one right now...
C) It could happen any time of the day and still be just one event, happening everywhere.
It's daylight here in KY right now but somewhere across the world it is night. Like I said I've not really studied this, but would assume this is going to take place all over the world...so it may be night for some and day for others.... I don't really know.
I never gave the carcass thing a whole lot of thought...so I don't know. I'm just reading trying to learn.
I think it is an interesting thread and I am enjoy reading it. That's why I'm passing out all the informative marks. I have not drawn any conclusions to this matter, yet....just reading along to see everyone's thoughts on it.
I could throw a C) option into it for you, if you want! And probably a D) but I'll refrain from that one right now...
C) It could happen any time of the day and still be just one event, happening everywhere.
It's daylight here in KY right now but somewhere across the world it is night. Like I said I've not really studied this, but would assume this is going to take place all over the world...so it may be night for some and day for others.... I don't really know.
I never gave the carcass thing a whole lot of thought...so I don't know. I'm just reading trying to learn.
I think it is an interesting thread and I am enjoy reading it. That's why I'm passing out all the informative marks. I have not drawn any conclusions to this matter, yet....just reading along to see everyone's thoughts on it.
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That is for sure a possibility that I didn't think of... thanks for bringing it up. I love your contributions and please continue to add to it.
I used to be dispensationalist but after studying the bible for myself rather than listen to preachers and commentators tell me what it means, I've done a 180.
You know I really don't care which way it pans out. I'm 54 years old so I'm going to be with the Lord in the not too distant future anyways.
I used to be dispensationalist but after studying the bible for myself rather than listen to preachers and commentators tell me what it means, I've done a 180.
You know I really don't care which way it pans out. I'm 54 years old so I'm going to be with the Lord in the not too distant future anyways.
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In 2 Peter 3 we are told that the day of the lord will bring about the destruction of the present Heaven and Earth by fire and the elements will melt. The phrase about the Lord coming as a thief is also used here as it was used by Paul in Thessalonians and by Jesus in Revelation.
The Heavens and the Earth didn't go up in flames or melt in AD70. Jesus did warn the Jewish leadership and people what was going to happen in their lifetime. Throughout the whole of his ministry using both parables and plain speech right up to the time of his death With regard to the Temple he told his Disciples that not one stone would be left on another. As he was led to his Crucifixion he said....
And there followed him a great company of people, and of women
which also bewailed and lamented him. But Jesus turning to them
said Daughters of Jerusalem weep not for me but weep for yourselves
and for your children. For behold the days are coming in which they
shall say Blessed are the barren and the wombs that bare and the paps
which never gave suck. Then shall they say to the mountains fall on us
and to the hills cover us. For if they do these things in a green tree what
shall be done in the dry?
Luke 23: 28 -31
Prophecies often have more than one application. The destruction and downfall
of nations are seen as judgements from God, but the various judgements described
will culminate in a final world judgement and a totally new creation.
The Heavens and the Earth didn't go up in flames or melt in AD70. Jesus did warn the Jewish leadership and people what was going to happen in their lifetime. Throughout the whole of his ministry using both parables and plain speech right up to the time of his death With regard to the Temple he told his Disciples that not one stone would be left on another. As he was led to his Crucifixion he said....
And there followed him a great company of people, and of women
which also bewailed and lamented him. But Jesus turning to them
said Daughters of Jerusalem weep not for me but weep for yourselves
and for your children. For behold the days are coming in which they
shall say Blessed are the barren and the wombs that bare and the paps
which never gave suck. Then shall they say to the mountains fall on us
and to the hills cover us. For if they do these things in a green tree what
shall be done in the dry?
Luke 23: 28 -31
Prophecies often have more than one application. The destruction and downfall
of nations are seen as judgements from God, but the various judgements described
will culminate in a final world judgement and a totally new creation.
Hi Thanks for the reply.
Eagles, a unclean animal are used in ceremonial laws to peach the gospel of Christ beforehand They represent those dead in their trespasses and sin.(unbeliever) Flesh eating flesh is sort of you could call spiritual cannibalism . We are warned to careful so that we do not devour each other as the pagan kingdoms of the world. That kind of idea. . Again let the dead flesh eaters Eagles and vultures. bury the dead .
Galatians 5:15 But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.
To eat of the flesh of men in the Bible is to give ones spirit life the essence of life. .
Carcase dead, a unclean bird used to represent the dead.
Matthew 24:27-29 King James Version (KJV) For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together. Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Ecclesiastes 4:5 The fool foldeth his hands together, and eateth his own flesh.
Genesis 40:18-20 King James Version (KJV) And Joseph answered and said, This is the interpretation thereof: The three baskets are three days: Yet within three days shall Pharaoh lift up thy head from off thee, and shall hang thee on a tree; and the birds shall eat thy flesh from off thee.And it came to pass the third day, which was Pharaoh's birthday, that he made a feast unto all his servants: and he lifted up the head of the chief butler and of the chief baker among his servants.
The one shall be taken...... resurrected , and the other left never to rise to new spirit life.. Picture of the last day. The twinkling of the eye.
A separation between the things of men the un clean seen and the things of God not seen must be made.
Revelation 19:18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.
Eagles, a unclean animal are used in ceremonial laws to peach the gospel of Christ beforehand They represent those dead in their trespasses and sin.(unbeliever) Flesh eating flesh is sort of you could call spiritual cannibalism . We are warned to careful so that we do not devour each other as the pagan kingdoms of the world. That kind of idea. . Again let the dead flesh eaters Eagles and vultures. bury the dead .
Galatians 5:15 But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.
To eat of the flesh of men in the Bible is to give ones spirit life the essence of life. .
Carcase dead, a unclean bird used to represent the dead.
Matthew 24:27-29 King James Version (KJV) For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together. Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Ecclesiastes 4:5 The fool foldeth his hands together, and eateth his own flesh.
Genesis 40:18-20 King James Version (KJV) And Joseph answered and said, This is the interpretation thereof: The three baskets are three days: Yet within three days shall Pharaoh lift up thy head from off thee, and shall hang thee on a tree; and the birds shall eat thy flesh from off thee.And it came to pass the third day, which was Pharaoh's birthday, that he made a feast unto all his servants: and he lifted up the head of the chief butler and of the chief baker among his servants.
The one shall be taken...... resurrected , and the other left never to rise to new spirit life.. Picture of the last day. The twinkling of the eye.
A separation between the things of men the un clean seen and the things of God not seen must be made.
Revelation 19:18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.
Ephesians 4:9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?
Paul here is speaking of descending “into the lower parts of the earth” not “down to the earth” implying Christ incarnation. The passage says of “into” the lower parts which refer to a particular point or place or location. Even grave is a location but grave which is the place of the dead body is also an assumption otherwise, the scripture has to specifically use a different Greek word mnēmeion instead, translated as the grave, tomb or sepulcher in the scripture. Science had its specific location of this core of the earth which may speak as the lower parts. The dead body is to the grave, but the soul and spirit of the dead will be either to the lower parts as described in English hell o the upper which is the paradise. My understanding of the nether parts of the earth is consisting of the upper (paradise) and the lower parts(hell). The case of the rich man and Lazarus gave us the idea of the nether/lower parts. We have the Abrahams bosom which is the paradise which the rich man had seen upward. In connection with this nether parts Ezek. 31 describes the trees and waters which is a fitting description of the paradise lost when Adam and Eve sin. So, the plausible interpretation was that Christ descended into the paradise proclaiming his victory.
Paul here is speaking of descending “into the lower parts of the earth” not “down to the earth” implying Christ incarnation. The passage says of “into” the lower parts which refer to a particular point or place or location. Even grave is a location but grave which is the place of the dead body is also an assumption otherwise, the scripture has to specifically use a different Greek word mnēmeion instead, translated as the grave, tomb or sepulcher in the scripture. Science had its specific location of this core of the earth which may speak as the lower parts. The dead body is to the grave, but the soul and spirit of the dead will be either to the lower parts as described in English hell o the upper which is the paradise. My understanding of the nether parts of the earth is consisting of the upper (paradise) and the lower parts(hell). The case of the rich man and Lazarus gave us the idea of the nether/lower parts. We have the Abrahams bosom which is the paradise which the rich man had seen upward. In connection with this nether parts Ezek. 31 describes the trees and waters which is a fitting description of the paradise lost when Adam and Eve sin. So, the plausible interpretation was that Christ descended into the paradise proclaiming his victory.
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Eagles in scripture are used positively in the passage below:
Exod. 19:4 Ye have seen what I did unto the Egyptians, and how I bare you on eagles' wings, and brought you unto myself
Isa 40:31 But they that wait upon the LORD shall renew their strength; they shall mount up with wings as eagles; they shall run, and not be weary; and they shall walk, and not faint.
Exod. 19:4 Ye have seen what I did unto the Egyptians, and how I bare you on eagles' wings, and brought you unto myself
Isa 40:31 But they that wait upon the LORD shall renew their strength; they shall mount up with wings as eagles; they shall run, and not be weary; and they shall walk, and not faint.
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No the confusion is in the dispensationalist interpretation of Christs ministry in the belief that God has one plan of salvation for the Jews and another for the Church. Gods plan is to reverse Adams fall and bring humanity back to him. Christ is the second Adam
his human ancestors included Gentile women. Almost all the members of the early church were Jewish and fulfilled the original
purpose of Israel in the role of being a nation of priests. Since his death and resurrection Gentile members of the Church are
part of spiritual Israel and Sons of God. During Jesus' ministry people thought he came to restore a physical kingdom of Israel
He never offered them such a kingdom. In fact he went out of his way to avoid being made king because his mission was to
be the sacrificial lamb. Thats why God allowed the Physical temple and sacrificial system to come to to an end. It was a shadow
and Christ is its reality. The rapture happens at the second coming and is not confined to the Church alone.
For I know that my redeemer liveth and that he shall stand
at the latter day upon the earth and though after my skin
worms destroy this body yet in my flesh shall I see God
Whom I shall see for myself and mine eyes shall behold
and not another though my reins be consumed within me.
Job 19: 25-27 KJV
Which Synagogue or Church did Job attend?
For the Lord himself shall descend from Heaven
with a shout , with the voice of the archangel
and with the trump of God and the dead in Christ
shall rise first.
2 Thess 4: 16 KJV
his human ancestors included Gentile women. Almost all the members of the early church were Jewish and fulfilled the original
purpose of Israel in the role of being a nation of priests. Since his death and resurrection Gentile members of the Church are
part of spiritual Israel and Sons of God. During Jesus' ministry people thought he came to restore a physical kingdom of Israel
He never offered them such a kingdom. In fact he went out of his way to avoid being made king because his mission was to
be the sacrificial lamb. Thats why God allowed the Physical temple and sacrificial system to come to to an end. It was a shadow
and Christ is its reality. The rapture happens at the second coming and is not confined to the Church alone.
For I know that my redeemer liveth and that he shall stand
at the latter day upon the earth and though after my skin
worms destroy this body yet in my flesh shall I see God
Whom I shall see for myself and mine eyes shall behold
and not another though my reins be consumed within me.
Job 19: 25-27 KJV
Which Synagogue or Church did Job attend?
For the Lord himself shall descend from Heaven
with a shout , with the voice of the archangel
and with the trump of God and the dead in Christ
shall rise first.
2 Thess 4: 16 KJV
Isa 65 starts out with - Here I am, here I am to nation that did not seek after him. This is obvious talking about Christ and the Gentiles seeking after him.
Verses 2-7 God is reaching out to a rebellious nation that continually rejects him to the point that it provokes God to anger.
Verses 8 God vows to protect the new wine for the remnant.
Verse 9 God brings forth a seed out of Jacob - the inheritor - Christ coming the first time.
I won’t continue with the verse by verse but the context to this point is the first coming of Christ.
My question is which verse does the context move 2000 years in the future?
Verses 2-7 God is reaching out to a rebellious nation that continually rejects him to the point that it provokes God to anger.
Verses 8 God vows to protect the new wine for the remnant.
Verse 9 God brings forth a seed out of Jacob - the inheritor - Christ coming the first time.
I won’t continue with the verse by verse but the context to this point is the first coming of Christ.
My question is which verse does the context move 2000 years in the future?