What do you believe and why do you believe it?
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You blew right over my first post and did not address any real aspect of what I posted and then never even responded to post 59.......see, the way it comes across is simple....you are not really here to learn, or possibly listen to anything we have to say.....you are here to solidify in your mind that your view is right......end of story.......if you were serious about the reality of GOD you would be open to what we have to say, our experiences and the truth we have studied.....we have SEEN it work and seen God in our lives....
So....really...why are you even here?
So....really...why are you even here?
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I have more to state but I can start with this ... a "humanist" which is difficult define, I will admit, ultimately makes man the measure of all things.
While it seems you are trying to divorce the actions of these men, who yes were in fact atheists, and therefore denied the existence of a transcendent moral being, you have yet to support this with facts.
While it seems you are trying to divorce the actions of these men, who yes were in fact atheists, and therefore denied the existence of a transcendent moral being, you have yet to support this with facts.
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@UnderGrace --> You know the tragic truth of atheists and even agnostics.....they deny the very existence of GOD and will reject the proof found in scripture......then in the very near future, the same deniers will be deluded by the very God they reject to accept and believe in a false god that will lead them straight to the flaming pits of hell......hilariously tragic.....
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It sounds like you still dont understand what burden of proof is. There has been at least 1 scientific study of prayer and the findings were that it didnt work. I am fine with people feeling the need to pray for someone who is suffering because it demonstrates a good intention. But positive action might work whereas prayer never will. Sometimes people's illnesses go into remission on their own and this has nothing to do with a higher power.
The nations that God moved against were promoting slavery? And God himself isn't promoting slavery in Exodus 21?
The nations that God moved against were promoting slavery? And God himself isn't promoting slavery in Exodus 21?
Wikipedia has a far better definition of Humanism. Also visit Humanism.org or read the works of Bertrand Russell. Atheists or anti-Christians could only be shown to be evil if The Bible and Christians through the ages had been moral. They haven't. In fact The Bible is partly immoral in its philosophy if you accept human wellbeing as a good target. Humanists have a duty to reduce the misery of the human condition. One Christian on this thread could not accept that or the simple assumption that pleasure was preferable to pain which tells me everything I need to know about their flawed thinking.
BLAH BLAH BLAH....God gave very specific instructions on how to treat servants, they were also to be set FREE after a period of TIME, they could voluntarily sell out for servitude, they could work off debt as a servant and GOD demanded punishment for those that MISTREATED servants and slaves.....how about some honesty pal.....
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You have yet to provide substantive proof that "the basic premises" of the three records concerning the six days of Matt / Mark and the about eight days of Luke "are flawed".
I have shown you that there is no "flaw" in the three records. There was only an error in your understanding concerning the reckoning of time. That dilemma has now been cleared up, yet you continue to believe there is some sort of "flaw" in the record.
It appears to me that you believe all is false until proven otherwise.
You now agree there is no error in the potters' fields purchases.
You have been shown there is no error in the six days of Matt / Mark and the about eight days of Luke, yet you continue to believe "the basic premises are flawed".
You will understand when you are off the pablum. Digest the milk of the word ... then the meat.
I have shown you that there is no "flaw" in the three records. There was only an error in your understanding concerning the reckoning of time. That dilemma has now been cleared up, yet you continue to believe there is some sort of "flaw" in the record.
It appears to me that you believe all is false until proven otherwise.
You now agree there is no error in the potters' fields purchases.
You have been shown there is no error in the six days of Matt / Mark and the about eight days of Luke, yet you continue to believe "the basic premises are flawed".
You will understand when you are off the pablum. Digest the milk of the word ... then the meat.
Thank you for replying to my post.
Definitely and unmistakably a voice, and not just once, but many times. Some louder and clearer than others, taught me many things I didn't know before.
Mostly about what is actually written in the original languages and the meanings of them.
I would then check out what I was told, and it has always been what I heard.
On one occasion, I was told something I had a very hard time believing.
What the voice said, made sense and was accurate, but I kept going back, doubting the truth of it, until after 5 or 6 times of the same thing. Each time repeating word for word what He said the first time, confirming the same thing with a different scripture verse with an explanation. After that I said, "Okay, I'm not going to doubt it anymore.", and so I accepted what I was told, and that was the end of that, no more instructions or revelations on that particular subject.
I was told some things that would scare the pants and dresses of most believers. Dangerous things for many, if they were not careful. I say that because it scared me and what I commonly believed and told.
I could give you many examples, even quoting what I heard, but what good would that serve.
No offense, but Jesus told us not to cast our pearls before swine/unbelievers, and like many on CC, you fit that description.
The guy spoke of most likely failed to study people who actually believe the word of God and ACT on it, but instead studied people who depend on circumstances to dictate whether God actually answered their prayer or said no. That is not faith. Far from it, and that is one major reason why they failed to receive. Ignorance of the word of God and how faith works.
I not only have had MANY answered prayers, but have COMMANDED things to happen in the name of Jesus, as well, and it manifested/happened, EVEN AS I BELIEVED and spoke.
It is like the law of gravity. It works consistently, every time within its parameters, for whoever truly believes. For it is indeed a law.
If you don't really believe, or if you waver, you can both rest assured and expect, absolutely nothing to happen.
I know some who believed at one time, but fell away simply BECAUSE they failed to receive what they asked for.
You might be one of those people.
I've been there and done that, failing to receive what I asked for, many times over.
But those who continue and don't quit or waver, will ALWAYS get their prayers answered. For ALL the promises of God, in Christ, are ALWAYS yes and it is so or so be it/amen.
Does it happen immediately?
Not often, but God NEVER, EVER says no, to those who are actually "in Him", and both believe and act on what He said without wavering or doubting.
Even the slightest of doubt will, no doubt, cause failure for one to receive. That's a promise written in the book of James, and it's accurate.
Ask all those who fell away because they THOUGHT they believed, when they didn't.
Hoping, wishing, and/or wondering are not the same as the faith written in scripture.
Definitely and unmistakably a voice, and not just once, but many times. Some louder and clearer than others, taught me many things I didn't know before.
Mostly about what is actually written in the original languages and the meanings of them.
I would then check out what I was told, and it has always been what I heard.
On one occasion, I was told something I had a very hard time believing.
What the voice said, made sense and was accurate, but I kept going back, doubting the truth of it, until after 5 or 6 times of the same thing. Each time repeating word for word what He said the first time, confirming the same thing with a different scripture verse with an explanation. After that I said, "Okay, I'm not going to doubt it anymore.", and so I accepted what I was told, and that was the end of that, no more instructions or revelations on that particular subject.
I was told some things that would scare the pants and dresses of most believers. Dangerous things for many, if they were not careful. I say that because it scared me and what I commonly believed and told.
I could give you many examples, even quoting what I heard, but what good would that serve.
No offense, but Jesus told us not to cast our pearls before swine/unbelievers, and like many on CC, you fit that description.
The guy spoke of most likely failed to study people who actually believe the word of God and ACT on it, but instead studied people who depend on circumstances to dictate whether God actually answered their prayer or said no. That is not faith. Far from it, and that is one major reason why they failed to receive. Ignorance of the word of God and how faith works.
I not only have had MANY answered prayers, but have COMMANDED things to happen in the name of Jesus, as well, and it manifested/happened, EVEN AS I BELIEVED and spoke.
It is like the law of gravity. It works consistently, every time within its parameters, for whoever truly believes. For it is indeed a law.
If you don't really believe, or if you waver, you can both rest assured and expect, absolutely nothing to happen.
I know some who believed at one time, but fell away simply BECAUSE they failed to receive what they asked for.
You might be one of those people.
I've been there and done that, failing to receive what I asked for, many times over.
But those who continue and don't quit or waver, will ALWAYS get their prayers answered. For ALL the promises of God, in Christ, are ALWAYS yes and it is so or so be it/amen.
Does it happen immediately?
Not often, but God NEVER, EVER says no, to those who are actually "in Him", and both believe and act on what He said without wavering or doubting.
Even the slightest of doubt will, no doubt, cause failure for one to receive. That's a promise written in the book of James, and it's accurate.
Ask all those who fell away because they THOUGHT they believed, when they didn't.
Hoping, wishing, and/or wondering are not the same as the faith written in scripture.
At one point of my life, being an agnostic for a long row of years, and looking for "proof" for God, I decided to believe in Jesus because He is good. Because He was worthy of me surrendering my life to Him, even if it were a gamble, Jesus was a worthy cause to risk my earthly life to. If I win, I win eternal life. If it turns out there is no God and I lose, I pretty much lose nothing because Christian life is a noble life to live, and my life would be wasted and meaningless anyway without Jesus in that case. So I said, heck, let's gamble. I bet my life Jesus is real. I did not have proof then. I did not know. I gambled.
Various proof showered me after the fact. Jesus was really real. Now I know that. But the real reason was that I was broken and I just surrendered. I was tired of wandering the wastelands of my mind that just waved the carrot on a stick but never provided me any actual truth. I checkmated my mind by placing a bet on my life.
People who do not believe are like a wife picking small fights with her husband about random things in the house, when she harbors a deep resentment against him that she had long forgotten and is not facing it heads on, so she picks little fights and one could be deceived and think she is really angry about him overlooking an unwashed cup or something else, and she herself is also deceived and unaware of the real problem. In the same way people who doubt God and His character find different faults with God and the Bible, but fundamentally this is because their relationship with God is broken and their mind is trying to make sense of this by seeking justification for the broken relationship. Once they go directly to God and the relationship is fixed all other issues disappear. I advise you to go to God, face Him head on, and do not relent.
I feel so much sympathy for you because I was once at this doubtful spot and I know well that nothing anyone else can say can talk you into believing. Even if they revived a dead person before your eyes, even a miracle cannot cause one to believe. I know what the mind of the unbeliever is like. It's a horrible place. I hope in God to deliver you out of that place, like He delivered me. Amen
Various proof showered me after the fact. Jesus was really real. Now I know that. But the real reason was that I was broken and I just surrendered. I was tired of wandering the wastelands of my mind that just waved the carrot on a stick but never provided me any actual truth. I checkmated my mind by placing a bet on my life.
People who do not believe are like a wife picking small fights with her husband about random things in the house, when she harbors a deep resentment against him that she had long forgotten and is not facing it heads on, so she picks little fights and one could be deceived and think she is really angry about him overlooking an unwashed cup or something else, and she herself is also deceived and unaware of the real problem. In the same way people who doubt God and His character find different faults with God and the Bible, but fundamentally this is because their relationship with God is broken and their mind is trying to make sense of this by seeking justification for the broken relationship. Once they go directly to God and the relationship is fixed all other issues disappear. I advise you to go to God, face Him head on, and do not relent.
I feel so much sympathy for you because I was once at this doubtful spot and I know well that nothing anyone else can say can talk you into believing. Even if they revived a dead person before your eyes, even a miracle cannot cause one to believe. I know what the mind of the unbeliever is like. It's a horrible place. I hope in God to deliver you out of that place, like He delivered me. Amen
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I have not recently claimed those Biblical accounts are flawed. I just dont accept your claim that they are necessarily true and the events took place as described. Its a different argument. Who knows what happened in detail 2000 years ago in Judea? Read my gumball analogy. In terms of Matthew 16, I can wait a little longer for an explanation but Im not willing to wait 2000 years for nothing to happen...
Some days I feel like a Deist but because I cant rationally define what that is I am more of an agnostic or atheist. Someone once told me I was an Ignostic - the whole idea of a God is a non-starter. But to answer your question directly I dont currently believe any God claim I have heard. Can you answer my question directly assuming it was aimed at you originally?
Some atheists have committed atrocities - they have no creed.
Some Christians have committed atrocities - some have used a poisonous ideology to justify it.
As far as I am aware the number of atrocities committed by humanists is zero.
To get a modern feel of what humanism is all about all you need to do is watch an episode of Star Trek or 1970s Dr Who.
Some Christians have committed atrocities - some have used a poisonous ideology to justify it.
As far as I am aware the number of atrocities committed by humanists is zero.
To get a modern feel of what humanism is all about all you need to do is watch an episode of Star Trek or 1970s Dr Who.