Did Jesus ever tell us that we no longer need to keep the law of Moses?

[DeighAnn]

Hey Everyone, Salvation is a gift, you can't work for it. Is there anyone who disagrees with this statement of Truth?

 

[SimpleGardner]

How is it you presume to know my beliefts? You presuppose incorrectly then you state them incorrectly and then want me to defend something you made up. Then you take a quote from a completely different subject, throw it in here and act like it is truth, and all that is coming across is your ignorance of the Word.

Greetings DeighAnn,

Sadly many people have dogmas and internal mental and spiritual stigmas that they carry with them after they are Justified by the Blood of Yahshua. This is where the process is supposed to begin. If they do not allow the signification of Baptism to wash those dogmas and stigmas away they carry them forward and begin their "walk" trying to combine the truth with their baggage. This sadly results is false doctrine, tainted with error leaving them Blind and Naked.

Presumed inferred righteousness throughout their lives had left them "Naked" or lacking the "Robes of Righteousness" that Christ gave us at our Justification in that they failed to keep it clean and spotless by continual repentance and forgiveness as we ask for that forgiveness. The robes of an unrepentant sinner rot away after time leaving them.... They are convinced that people who continually seek forgiveness through repentance and petitioning our Advocate with the Father are the sinners. This is the "Blind" part; "mentally blind" the factors that create this form of thinking are sad and too common today. But this is what it is! We continue to ask the "blind" to "see" what the truth is, but it just seems impossible. Prayer and fasting on their behalf is warranted if you are led to do so.

I admire your perseverance, and I saw where they said "pick a side". There are no sides! There's Gods will! Anything other than that is death! Bless YHWH! Know and Keep! SG

 

[Lightskin]

Except for the extremely Huge Fact that by the blood of Jesus we are washed clean of all sin. Can you now see how that doesn't fly?

Only if one has faith in Jesus is one washed by His blood. Putting one’s faith in their own works, hence in one’s self, in order to maintain salvation is not having faith in Jesus.

 

[Lightskin]

Abiders in the law don’t abide perfectly thus the abiding is moot. Exhibit A is the lack of love displayed all too often from law abiders throughout various posts.

My first Red X. Earned by defending grace through faith. I’ll wear it as a badge of honor.

 

[DeighAnn]

Yes, but not if we deliberately turn our backs on him and in full knowledge of what we are doing, blaspheme against Him

And here you have it in a nut shell. What gave you the knowledge of what "turning our backs on Him" is? How can you understand "right"eousness with out a guide to what is right and what is wrong? How do you know, for sure, where God stands on say Adultry.

I am not" holding myself back" from murdering and robbing, and lying, and raping and stealing just to try and make it into heaven. I am not Loving God with all my heart and Loving my neighbor and honoring my mother and father so I can "make it into heaven" I understand that "following the law" doesn't "win" or put God in debt to me, for using it to know my walk and what He wants. The LAW has NOTHING to do with the gifts of faith, or salvation, or being justified. It has to do with me knowing what God finds acceptable and right, and what He does not so I am progressing towards what He sees as perfection, not what this "spirit and flesh" fighting woman does.

Go try an teach someone who has never heard of the Word about God without using any law? Just try and do one paragraph. It can't be done. God can not be explained. What is righteousness? Well What is Just? Well You can not live a Holy life with out it.

But the Spirit within us will lead and guide us. If the spirit did it all for us, THEN EVERYONE WHO HAD THE SPIRIT WOULD THINK AND FEEL AND KNOW THE EXACT SAME WITHOUT A SINGLE VARIATION. IT COULD NOT BE ANY OTHER WAY BECAUSE THE SPIRIT WOULD ALWAYS REMAIN THE SPIRIT. AND THE "BODY" would become another "replica" of all the others.

Do you know the one thing God can't do? God can't create true love that emanates from another being unless that being has the freewill to choose to love or not. God wants OUR LOVE. He isn't looking to get His own back. If He was He would have just put his spirit into a bunch of souls and called it a day. He didn't do that. He created our souls, souls with freewill to choose.

What did Solomon want. The Wisdom from God. I want that to. I can not find that without the law that I say again is not to be in anyway used for salvation which is a gift, just like the blood of Christ is a gift, there is nothing I could ever do if I spent my entire life in the service of God that could in anyway come close to approaching it.

 

[DeighAnn]

Only if one has faith in Jesus is one washed by His blood. Putting one’s faith in their own works, hence in one’s self, in order to maintain salvation is not having faith in Jesus.

Seems to be some huge misconception that our salvation comes any different than yours. We have been saved long before works come on the scene.

 

[lightbearer]

My first Red X. Earned by defending grace through faith. I’ll wear it as a badge of honor.

It was your accusation that earned a red x.

 

[DeighAnn]

Abiders in the law don’t abide perfectly thus the abiding is moot. Exhibit A is the lack of love displayed all too often from law abiders throughout various posts.

The red x was for not believing in the power of the blood of Jesus Christ that washes us clean. And making a blatant statement without a single Quote backing up your statement.

My first Red X. Earned by defending grace through faith. I’ll wear it as a badge of honor.

 

[PS]

My first Red X. Earned by defending grace through faith. I’ll wear it as a badge of honor.

I generally put the people who give me a red x on ignore. I have just taken the person who did that to you off ignore, but I may put them back on again.

 

[PS]

The red x was for not believing in the power of the blood of Jesus Christ that washes us clean. And making a blatant statement without a single Quote backing up your statement.

Lightskin firmly believes in the cleansing power of the blood of the lamb. I recognise his or her spirit.

 

[posthuman]

Therefore when "sin" is spoken of "the law" has been transgressed, whether there was sin before the law or not.

since sin was in the world long before the law given through Moses to the children of Israel, 430 years after Abraham, 'the law' transgressed before Moses cannot possibly be the one found in Exodus/Deuteronomy/Leviticus/Numbers.
Cain wasn't under Mosaic law when he murdered Abel.
'do not eat of the tree of the knowledge of good/evil' is not a Mosaic command. so the fact Eve sinned does not imply the law given at Sinai.
the sin of Satan is pride ((Isaiah 14, Ezekiel 28)) -- where does the Sinai law prohibit pride? and when did Satan fall?

Sin is transgression of the law

you're taking this as a pure definition:

Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
(1 John 3:4)

may i take this as a definition in the same way?

For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God
(Romans 3:23)

sin = falling short of the glory of God

therefore whenever there is sin, there is failure to reach the mark of the glory of God?

which is stricter? which is more accurate? neither contradict.

You want to stick to the letter of the law written in stone.

that's not so.
i'm hoping to speak about the spiritual things in the law beyond the carnal commandment. the law, the prophets, and the books of wisdom are testimony of the person and work of Jesus Christ. His words are spirit. i would like us to think, and talk about what the typology and spiritual meaning of the grumbling in Exodus 16-17 are, how they are found in Matthew 4, what the subtext in this amazingly complex conversation between Satan and the Messiah is, and the lie of Satan, in order to see more clearly the antithesis of the lie, which is the glory of God expressed through the Son.

i'm not talking about the veil. i'm talking about what's behind it. that's what the scripture is here for, to reveal Christ. it's not just a prescription for human will-powered outward behavioral modification, it is something divinely magnificent, that the purpose of our very existence is wrapped up in discovering and taking to heart, so that we may have life, and know life.

 

[PS]

Seems to be some huge misconception that our salvation comes any different than yours. We have been saved long before works come on the scene.

Who is the We and who has been saved long before works came on the scene?

 

[DeighAnn]

since sin was in the world long before the law given through Moses to the children of Israel, 430 years after Abraham, 'the law' transgressed before Moses cannot possibly be the one found in Exodus/Deuteronomy/Leviticus/Numbers.
Cain wasn't under Mosaic law when he murdered Abel.
'do not eat of the tree of the knowledge of good/evil' is not a Mosaic command. so the fact Eve sinned does not imply the law given at Sinai.
the sin of Satan is pride ((Isaiah 14, Ezekiel 28)) -- where does the Sinai law prohibit pride? and when did Satan fall?



you're taking this as a pure definition:

Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
(1 John 3:4)

may i take this as a definition in the same way?

For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God
(Romans 3:23)

sin = falling short of the glory of God

therefore whenever there is sin, there is failure to reach the mark of the glory of God?

which is stricter? which is more accurate? neither contradict.



that's not so.
i'm hoping to speak about the spiritual things in the law beyond the carnal commandment. the law, the prophets, and the books of wisdom are testimony of the person and work of Jesus Christ. His words are spirit. i would like us to think, and talk about what the typology and spiritual meaning of the grumbling in Exodus 16-17 are, how they are found in Matthew 4, what the subtext in this amazingly complex conversation between Satan and the Messiah is, and the lie of Satan, in order to see more clearly the antithesis of the lie, which is the glory of God expressed through the Son.

i'm not talking about the veil. i'm talking about what's behind it. that's what the scripture is here for, to reveal Christ. it's not just a prescription for human will-powered outward behavioral modification, it is something divinely magnificent, that the purpose of our very existence is wrapped up in discovering and taking to heart, so that we may have life, and know life.

Once again YOU JUDGE yourself to be saved by faith yet you basically call me a liar when I tell you I also am saved by faith. And you feel justified in your position because of an erroneous belief on your part that someone saved by faith, follows the law of the kingdom. You, for some reason far beyond me, do not believe that a follower of Christ saved by faith can love and happily follow the law written upon the heart and mind. You seem to think it is to far fetched for a soul that has received the gift of salvation to also be a soul that believes in obedience to the Lord. I do not judge you, my Lord has told me that is His to do. I obey.

 

[DeighAnn]

since sin was in the world long before the law given through Moses to the children of Israel, 430 years after Abraham, 'the law' transgressed before Moses cannot possibly be the one found in Exodus/Deuteronomy/Leviticus/Numbers.
Cain wasn't under Mosaic law when he murdered Abel.
'do not eat of the tree of the knowledge of good/evil' is not a Mosaic command. so the fact Eve sinned does not imply the law given at Sinai.
the sin of Satan is pride ((Isaiah 14, Ezekiel 28)) -- where does the Sinai law prohibit pride? and when did Satan fall?



you're taking this as a pure definition:

Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
(1 John 3:4)

may i take this as a definition in the same way?

For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God
(Romans 3:23)

sin = falling short of the glory of God

therefore whenever there is sin, there is failure to reach the mark of the glory of God?

which is stricter? which is more accurate? neither contradict.



that's not so.
i'm hoping to speak about the spiritual things in the law beyond the carnal commandment. the law, the prophets, and the books of wisdom are testimony of the person and work of Jesus Christ. His words are spirit. i would like us to think, and talk about what the typology and spiritual meaning of the grumbling in Exodus 16-17 are, how they are found in Matthew 4, what the subtext in this amazingly complex conversation between Satan and the Messiah is, and the lie of Satan, in order to see more clearly the antithesis of the lie, which is the glory of God expressed through the Son.

i'm not talking about the veil. i'm talking about what's behind it. that's what the scripture is here for, to reveal Christ. it's not just a prescription for human will-powered outward behavioral modification, it is something divinely magnificent, that the purpose of our very existence is wrapped up in discovering and taking to heart, so that we may have life, and know life.

You assume because there wasn't yet a written law there was no law for Cain. I say there was law.
Genesis 2:16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

Genesis 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

 

[posthuman]

You assume because there wasn't yet a written law there was no law for Cain. I say there was law.
Genesis 2:16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

Genesis 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

i said it is not Moses law.

 

[DeighAnn]

Who is the We and who has been saved long before works came on the scene?

The "WE" who were saved before works, are those who through faith received the Word and received the gift of salvation and having received proceeded forward to obey the commands given such as Go, teach, baptize. (Works, none of which can be to "buy" salvation as salvation has already been promised. And that promise is to whomsoever will,

IT IS NOT

to whomsoever will, except for those who try to obey the laws written upon their hearts and in their mind, those laws THAT I shed my Blood to bring to them.

 

[DeighAnn]

i said it is not Moses law.

Why? How did we get here? I said sin was transgression of the Law, and you went into this other thing, so I went into the other thing then you said that isn't what you said which had nothing to do with the point I was making. I assume you just want to search for what ever it is I don't say and are going to find ways to divide us every step of the way. If this is your goal, I will let you know I will not do this again. I am not here to cause division, just forward the Word of God. I am not going to "clarify every post with every fact every time". I am going to assume basics to be known. If this does not work for you please let me know and I will just go on about trying to post scripture on the Law (threads subject) and relevant scripture to it.

 

[DeighAnn]

Presumed inferred righteousness throughout their lives had left them "Naked" or lacking the "Robes of Righteousness" that Christ gave us at our Justification in that they failed to keep it clean and spotless by continual repentance and forgiveness as we ask for that forgiveness.

I can not imagine a life with out repentance. Without that how would I have progressed. Repentance it the "changing of the inner man" through acknowledgment of who we are and the Blood of Christ needed to keep us clean and allows God to hear us. I would be a miserable soul indeed, without the spirit to guide me to that repentant state. As God was well pleased with the walk and work of Jesus, I want Jesus to be well pleased with the walk and work of this servant. I hear His voice, I know His Word. Thank you Brother for your kind words of encouragement. God Bless you

 

[DeighAnn]

one missed step will be deadly if you trust Jesus for your salvation.

I will start here, I discern Judgment Day is going to be a bear for you.

the one thing will disqualify you from the Kingdom, if you do not 100% percent trust Christ for salvation.

You OBVOUSLY HAVE NO FAITH IN THE FORGIVING POWER OF THE BLOOD OF CHRIST

COME INTO THE LIGHT, LEAVE THE DEAD LAW WHERE IT BELONGS AND COME INTO THE LAW OF LOVE AND FORGIVENESS, THE NEW COVENANT

so, you see, attempting to keep the Law will not keep you from sin, nor excuse your failure to keep it perfectly .

You and the law of Moses. I am thinking that you can't let the law of Moses die because it must support some belief you have that rests upon it

sin is much more than transgression of the Law ( which gentiles never were under, nor was divided into parts).

sin is missing the mark, falling short of a standard, knowing to do good and not doing so.

Hum???? I wonder what that is. On this I will pray. It will all come to light.



Romans 2:12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
Romans 2:13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
Romans 2:14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
Romans 2:15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another

 

[PS]

The "WE" who were saved before works, are those who through faith received the Word and received the gift of salvation and having received proceeded forward to obey the commands given such as Go, teach, baptize. (Works, none of which can be to "buy" salvation as salvation has already been promised. And that promise is to whomsoever will,

IT IS NOT

to whomsoever will, except for those who try to obey the laws written upon their hearts and in their mind, those laws THAT I shed my Blood to bring to them.

Your time line is wrong.