Did Jesus ever tell us that we no longer need to keep the law of Moses?
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Greetings DeighAnn,
Sadly many people have dogmas and internal mental and spiritual stigmas that they carry with them after they are Justified by the Blood of Yahshua. This is where the process is supposed to begin. If they do not allow the signification of Baptism to wash those dogmas and stigmas away they carry them forward and begin their "walk" trying to combine the truth with their baggage. This sadly results is false doctrine, tainted with error leaving them Blind and Naked.
Presumed inferred righteousness throughout their lives had left them "Naked" or lacking the "Robes of Righteousness" that Christ gave us at our Justification in that they failed to keep it clean and spotless by continual repentance and forgiveness as we ask for that forgiveness. The robes of an unrepentant sinner rot away after time leaving them.... They are convinced that people who continually seek forgiveness through repentance and petitioning our Advocate with the Father are the sinners. This is the "Blind" part; "mentally blind" the factors that create this form of thinking are sad and too common today. But this is what it is! We continue to ask the "blind" to "see" what the truth is, but it just seems impossible.
Prayer and fasting on their behalf is warranted if you are led to do so.I admire your perseverance, and I saw where they said "pick a side". There are no sides! There's Gods will! Anything other than that is death! Bless YHWH! Know and Keep! SG
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since sin was in the world long before the law given through Moses to the children of Israel, 430 years after Abraham, 'the law' transgressed before Moses cannot possibly be the one found in Exodus/Deuteronomy/Leviticus/Numbers.
Cain wasn't under Mosaic law when he murdered Abel.
'do not eat of the tree of the knowledge of good/evil' is not a Mosaic command. so the fact Eve sinned does not imply the law given at Sinai.
the sin of Satan is pride ((Isaiah 14, Ezekiel 28)) -- where does the Sinai law prohibit pride? and when did Satan fall?
you're taking this as a pure definition:
Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
(1 John 3:4)
may i take this as a definition in the same way?
For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God
(Romans 3:23)
sin = falling short of the glory of God
therefore whenever there is sin, there is failure to reach the mark of the glory of God?
which is stricter? which is more accurate? neither contradict.
that's not so.
i'm hoping to speak about the spiritual things in the law beyond the carnal commandment. the law, the prophets, and the books of wisdom are testimony of the person and work of Jesus Christ. His words are spirit. i would like us to think, and talk about what the typology and spiritual meaning of the grumbling in Exodus 16-17 are, how they are found in Matthew 4, what the subtext in this amazingly complex conversation between Satan and the Messiah is, and the lie of Satan, in order to see more clearly the antithesis of the lie, which is the glory of God expressed through the Son.
i'm not talking about the veil. i'm talking about what's behind it. that's what the scripture is here for, to reveal Christ. it's not just a prescription for human will-powered outward behavioral modification, it is something divinely magnificent, that the purpose of our very existence is wrapped up in discovering and taking to heart, so that we may have life, and know life.
Cain wasn't under Mosaic law when he murdered Abel.
'do not eat of the tree of the knowledge of good/evil' is not a Mosaic command. so the fact Eve sinned does not imply the law given at Sinai.
the sin of Satan is pride ((Isaiah 14, Ezekiel 28)) -- where does the Sinai law prohibit pride? and when did Satan fall?
you're taking this as a pure definition:
Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
(1 John 3:4)
may i take this as a definition in the same way?
For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God
(Romans 3:23)
sin = falling short of the glory of God
therefore whenever there is sin, there is failure to reach the mark of the glory of God?
which is stricter? which is more accurate? neither contradict.
that's not so.
i'm hoping to speak about the spiritual things in the law beyond the carnal commandment. the law, the prophets, and the books of wisdom are testimony of the person and work of Jesus Christ. His words are spirit. i would like us to think, and talk about what the typology and spiritual meaning of the grumbling in Exodus 16-17 are, how they are found in Matthew 4, what the subtext in this amazingly complex conversation between Satan and the Messiah is, and the lie of Satan, in order to see more clearly the antithesis of the lie, which is the glory of God expressed through the Son.
i'm not talking about the veil. i'm talking about what's behind it. that's what the scripture is here for, to reveal Christ. it's not just a prescription for human will-powered outward behavioral modification, it is something divinely magnificent, that the purpose of our very existence is wrapped up in discovering and taking to heart, so that we may have life, and know life.
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Once again YOU JUDGE yourself to be saved by faith yet you basically call me a liar when I tell you I also am saved by faith. And you feel justified in your position because of an erroneous belief on your part that someone saved by faith, follows the law of the kingdom. You, for some reason far beyond me, do not believe that a follower of Christ saved by faith can love and happily follow the law written upon the heart and mind. You seem to think it is to far fetched for a soul that has received the gift of salvation to also be a soul that believes in obedience to the Lord. I do not judge you, my Lord has told me that is His to do. I obey.
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You assume because there wasn't yet a written law there was no law for Cain. I say there was law.
Genesis 2:16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
Genesis 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
Genesis 2:16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
Genesis 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
The "WE" who were saved before works, are those who through faith received the Word and received the gift of salvation and having received proceeded forward to obey the commands given such as Go, teach, baptize. (Works, none of which can be to "buy" salvation as salvation has already been promised. And that promise is to whomsoever will,
IT IS NOT
to whomsoever will, except for those who try to obey the laws written upon their hearts and in their mind, those laws THAT I shed my Blood to bring to them.
IT IS NOT
to whomsoever will, except for those who try to obey the laws written upon their hearts and in their mind, those laws THAT I shed my Blood to bring to them.
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Why? How did we get here? I said sin was transgression of the Law, and you went into this other thing, so I went into the other thing then you said that isn't what you said which had nothing to do with the point I was making. I assume you just want to search for what ever it is I don't say and are going to find ways to divide us every step of the way. If this is your goal, I will let you know I will not do this again. I am not here to cause division, just forward the Word of God. I am not going to "clarify every post with every fact every time". I am going to assume basics to be known. If this does not work for you please let me know and I will just go on about trying to post scripture on the Law (threads subject) and relevant scripture to it.
I can not imagine a life with out repentance. Without that how would I have progressed. Repentance it the "changing of the inner man" through acknowledgment of who we are and the Blood of Christ needed to keep us clean and allows God to hear us. I would be a miserable soul indeed, without the spirit to guide me to that repentant state. As God was well pleased with the walk and work of Jesus, I want Jesus to be well pleased with the walk and work of this servant. I hear His voice, I know His Word. Thank you Brother for your kind words of encouragement. God Bless you
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I will start here, I discern Judgment Day is going to be a bear for you.
You OBVOUSLY HAVE NO FAITH IN THE FORGIVING POWER OF THE BLOOD OF CHRIST
COME INTO THE LIGHT, LEAVE THE DEAD LAW WHERE IT BELONGS AND COME INTO THE LAW OF LOVE AND FORGIVENESS, THE NEW COVENANT
You and the law of Moses. I am thinking that you can't let the law of Moses die because it must support some belief you have that rests upon it
Hum???? I wonder what that is. On this I will pray. It will all come to light.
Romans 2:12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
Romans 2:13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
Romans 2:14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
Romans 2:15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another
You OBVOUSLY HAVE NO FAITH IN THE FORGIVING POWER OF THE BLOOD OF CHRIST
COME INTO THE LIGHT, LEAVE THE DEAD LAW WHERE IT BELONGS AND COME INTO THE LAW OF LOVE AND FORGIVENESS, THE NEW COVENANT
You and the law of Moses. I am thinking that you can't let the law of Moses die because it must support some belief you have that rests upon it
Hum???? I wonder what that is. On this I will pray. It will all come to light.
Romans 2:12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
Romans 2:13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
Romans 2:14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
Romans 2:15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another