Did Jesus ever tell us that we no longer need to keep the law of Moses?
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As an old shipbuilder, and i think I have shared this before, there is a principal we refer to as the displacement principal. To put in simplest terms, whatever you put in the water moves the water out of the way. Most engineers toes are curling right now, but hey this is my point I'm makin heya!
So if you have a glass of water and the water is sin and you fill the glass full with ice you displace (force out) all the water! Allowing Gods HOLY Spirit in displaces the sin by filling the heart with Gods will/Commandments. Once these commandments are in the heart they are all the heart desires! No more desire for Sin at all. But! Gotta let the Holy Spirit in and read Gods word and keep diaplacing the sin out of the way! Try it! God said He was going to do this! Enter in.
So if you have a glass of water and the water is sin and you fill the glass full with ice you displace (force out) all the water! Allowing Gods HOLY Spirit in displaces the sin by filling the heart with Gods will/Commandments. Once these commandments are in the heart they are all the heart desires! No more desire for Sin at all. But! Gotta let the Holy Spirit in and read Gods word and keep diaplacing the sin out of the way! Try it! God said He was going to do this! Enter in.-
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First, I hope to point out that the issue below is regarding food sacrificed to idols, not food with blood in it or strangled meat.
That is exactly what Paul is saying. **He** is at liberty to eat meat sacrificed to idols because he knows it's nothing; that idols are not real, and that the offering is meaningless. He has higher faith than the weak or new convert. However...
Verse 10. He says the weaker person, seeing Paul eat meat that has been sacrificed to idols, will then be EMBOLDENED themselves to also eat meat sacrificed to idols because their faith is not where his is (i.e. "oh we don't have to worry about that instruction! Let's continue our pagan ritual!"), causing them to sin (i.e. break the law of Yah: no idolization)...and so he doesn't eat it.
The passage continues...
11 So this weak brother or sister, for whom Christ died, is destroyed by your knowledge.
12 When you sin against them in this way and wound their weak conscience, you sin against Christ.
13 Therefore, if what I eat causes my brother or sister to fall into sin, I will never eat meat again, so that I will not cause them to fall
It's about caring for the weak in spirit as they grow in the image of Christ, coming from a pagan lifestyle. Note that Paul's motivation is to keep the weak FROM eating meat sacrificed to idols so they do not sin.
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Regarding Acts 15 and the point I'm hoping to draw out is that for pages and pages those who agree with me have been accused of being in violation of Galatians and James to promote obedience to some laws after salvation. That we reject Christ's work.
And I hope to show that we are NOT in violation of Galatians or James to promote obedience to some laws, because the Apostles weren't in violation to promote them.
...that Galatians and James are speaking on very specific issues with the law, and do not paint "The Law" with a broad brush. One is about "works for salvation", while the other is about "playing favorites and being partial with the law".
That is exactly what Paul is saying. **He** is at liberty to eat meat sacrificed to idols because he knows it's nothing; that idols are not real, and that the offering is meaningless. He has higher faith than the weak or new convert. However...
Verse 10. He says the weaker person, seeing Paul eat meat that has been sacrificed to idols, will then be EMBOLDENED themselves to also eat meat sacrificed to idols because their faith is not where his is (i.e. "oh we don't have to worry about that instruction! Let's continue our pagan ritual!"), causing them to sin (i.e. break the law of Yah: no idolization)...and so he doesn't eat it.
The passage continues...
11 So this weak brother or sister, for whom Christ died, is destroyed by your knowledge.
12 When you sin against them in this way and wound their weak conscience, you sin against Christ.
13 Therefore, if what I eat causes my brother or sister to fall into sin, I will never eat meat again, so that I will not cause them to fall
It's about caring for the weak in spirit as they grow in the image of Christ, coming from a pagan lifestyle. Note that Paul's motivation is to keep the weak FROM eating meat sacrificed to idols so they do not sin.
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Regarding Acts 15 and the point I'm hoping to draw out is that for pages and pages those who agree with me have been accused of being in violation of Galatians and James to promote obedience to some laws after salvation. That we reject Christ's work.
And I hope to show that we are NOT in violation of Galatians or James to promote obedience to some laws, because the Apostles weren't in violation to promote them.
...that Galatians and James are speaking on very specific issues with the law, and do not paint "The Law" with a broad brush. One is about "works for salvation", while the other is about "playing favorites and being partial with the law".
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Well people who believe in eternal security learn to walk in the spirit. Their focus is on loving and serviing others. And when they do fall. They go to their abba father for restoration.
I got a better question. What is to stop NOSAS people from excusing their sin, and watering down the law? The same law you profess you follow?
So you saying we love sin is not an insult (as well as a lie)
You saying we hate Gods law (another lie) is not an insult
All yoru lies and slander against us because you refuse to listen to us is not an insult not abusive not mean spirited?
You need to practice what you preach maam.
I got a better question. What is to stop NOSAS people from excusing their sin, and watering down the law? The same law you profess you follow?
So you saying we love sin is not an insult (as well as a lie)
You saying we hate Gods law (another lie) is not an insult
All yoru lies and slander against us because you refuse to listen to us is not an insult not abusive not mean spirited?
You need to practice what you preach maam.
I agree with Y, And I think Paul is appealing to the larger point, that IT'S nothing, but I wouldn't be surprised to find out that he NEVER ate meat sacrificed to idols, because as he said; Not all things are profitable. Another thing Paul said that he did not mean to offer as Okay to do, but to look at like; Hey, sure you didn't sacrifice it to the idol, so yeah it's really nothing, but while it might be permissible, there are too many that might be hurt by it, eat your veggies.
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As an old shipbuilder, and i think I have shared this before, there is a principal we refer to as the displacement principal. To put in simplest terms, whatever you put in the water moves the water out of the way. Most engineers toes are curling right now, but hey this is my point I'm makin heya! So if you have a glass of water and the water is sin and you fill the glass full with ice you displace (force out) all the water! Allowing Gods HOLY Spirit in displaces the sin by filling the heart with Gods will/Commandments. Once these commandments are in the heart they are all the heart desires! No more desire for Sin at all. But! Gotta let the Holy Spirit in and read Gods word and keep diaplacing the sin out of the way! Try it! God said He was going to do this! Enter in.
So if you have a glass of water and the water is sin and you fill the glass full with ice you displace (force out) all the water! Allowing Gods HOLY Spirit in displaces the sin by filling the heart with Gods will/Commandments. Once these commandments are in the heart they are all the heart desires! No more desire for Sin at all. But! Gotta let the Holy Spirit in and read Gods word and keep diaplacing the sin out of the way! Try it! God said He was going to do this! Enter in.
Matthew 7:11 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?
Matthew 7:12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them FOR THIS IS THE LAW OF THE PROPHETS
Matthew 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Matthew 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Matthew 7:12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them FOR THIS IS THE LAW OF THE PROPHETS
Matthew 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Matthew 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
I think we are on the same page. Paul added (at least the eating meat sacrificed to idols part) for the weaker believers so that the more mature believers don't cause them to stumble. And all of this boils down to love thy neighbor as thyself.
The only thing I disagree with is this:
It was lawful for Paul (and anyone else) to eat meat sacrificed to idols because as you said earlier in your post above - an idol is nothing.
Paul advises not to eat the meat because it could make the weaker believer fall.
Anyway thanks for giving your insight, much appreciated.
The only thing I disagree with is this:
It was lawful for Paul (and anyone else) to eat meat sacrificed to idols because as you said earlier in your post above - an idol is nothing.
Paul advises not to eat the meat because it could make the weaker believer fall.
Anyway thanks for giving your insight, much appreciated.
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I agree with Y, And I think Paul is appealing to the larger point, that IT'S nothing, but I wouldn't be surprised to find out that he NEVER ate meat sacrificed to idols, because as he said; Not all things are profitable. Another thing Paul said that he did not mean to offer as Okay to do, but to look at like; Hey, sure you didn't sacrifice it to the idol, so yeah it's really nothing, but while it might be permissible, there are too many that might be hurt by it, eat your veggies.
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Rom 14:22-23 NIV So whatever you believe about these things keep between yourself and God. Blessed is the man who does not condemn himself by what he approves. (23) But the man who has doubts is condemned if he eats, because his eating is not from faith; and everything that does not come from faith is sin.
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