Did Jesus ever tell us that we no longer need to keep the law of Moses?
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This was the first time I heard Him and I thoroughly enjoy anyone who can align scripture. In this world we grope our way out of the error we have been marinated in since youth. Then as we begin to emerge the very people who are spouting error are the first ones to condemn those who help us see our way out. I am fully convinced that the matrix of lies is so convouluted that sometimes there other errors are often utilities in our escape from the whole quagmire! Just what I have experienced.
As far as rapture is concerned, I see more than one. One for the "Barley" class and one for the "wheat". But either way the parable of the wheat and tares states clearly that the tares/the offspring of the evil one, the disruptors, are removed before the wheat.
So yo had a look at the video. I finished it and literally crashed!
So you went from accusing me of saying Jesus was the Law to this?
His Will, Law and Word are the same.
I delight to do thy will, O my God: yea, thy law is within my heart.
Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.
(Psa 40:8; Heb 10:7 KJV)
God said,
Jas 1:18 Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.
Jas 1:19 Wherefore, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath:
Jas 1:20 For the wrath of man worketh not the righteousness of God.
Jas 1:21 Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.
God said,
For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
(Heb 8:10 KJV)
God said,
Rom 10:6 But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above
Rom 10:7 Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)
Rom 10:8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
God said,
2Cor 3:3 Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.
2Cor 3:4 And such trust have we through Christ to God-ward:
2Cor 3:5 Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God;
2Cor 3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
His Will, Law and Word are the same.
I delight to do thy will, O my God: yea, thy law is within my heart.
Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.
(Psa 40:8; Heb 10:7 KJV)
God said,
Jas 1:18 Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.
Jas 1:19 Wherefore, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath:
Jas 1:20 For the wrath of man worketh not the righteousness of God.
Jas 1:21 Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.
God said,
For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
(Heb 8:10 KJV)
God said,
Rom 10:6 But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above
Rom 10:7 Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)
Rom 10:8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
God said,
2Cor 3:3 Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.
2Cor 3:4 And such trust have we through Christ to God-ward:
2Cor 3:5 Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God;
2Cor 3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
"God's will, His Law, His Word is in our hearts minds and mouths through Christ. Who is the Word manifested in the flesh, Jesus and our flesh, Christ in you the hope of glory."
To which you responded, "If you don't put an 'and' between 'His Will, His Law, His Word' then you imply they are equal and all the same."
They are the same. Christ is the Word manifested in the flesh, but just because the word, word is used doesn't mean it is always referring to Christ. The Word, God's Law and will for us and in us is through Christ, who is the Word manifested in the flesh.
God has said in Jas 1:21, Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.
God has said in Heb 8:10 I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
Receive with meekness the engrafted word, God's Laws into our mind, and hearts through Christ. This the Gospel That we delight to do thy will, O my God: yea, thy law is within my heart. Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.
(Psa 40:8; Heb 10:7 KJV)
Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls. But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves. For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass: For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was. But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.
(Jas 1:21-25 KJV)
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I think this video is for you too. Just found it during a study. But seriously, tell me if this isn't an amazing bit of timing!
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For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh: How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience (our inner man) from dead works (sin, acts that are of death) to serve the living God?
For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect. For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins. But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year. For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins. Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me: In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure. Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God. For God has said, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
(Heb 9:13-14; 10:1-10 KJV)
Praise God! For God, purged our conscience (our inner man) from dead works (sin, acts that are of death) to serve the living God. Putting His laws into our hearts, and in our minds writing them. His Laws, Then said we, Lo, we come (in the volume of the book (His Laws) it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first and establish the second!
So Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above
Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.) But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;(Rom 10:6-8 KJV)
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When men nurture the flesh they must fight against the will of God, because God wills the carnal man to die! Even the Cheap grace anti Torah proponents agree that the Torah illuminated out sins and brings us to Christ, but they do not realize that The Torah is instrumental in Keeping us "In Christ" Christ IS a path of Righteousness, His Torah, His word, His Will illuminates that path, but we must FOLLOW. They see no action on their parts! They don't recognize that the "giddy, I feel like a good person" "look Ma, no hands" feeling they get is a deceptive ploy to keep them from "learning the path"! When "That Day" comes they will not have the light of Gods word/Torah in their hearts in order to see their way!
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Hi SimpleGarden always a pleasure to see what you are cultivating! I did not watch the video the whole way. But in the beginning the speaker quoted Heb 10:7; praise God!. So with that said my friend we must share this
For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh: How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience (our inner man) from dead works (sin, acts that are of death) to serve the living God?
For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect. For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins. But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year. For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins. Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me: In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure. Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God. For God has said, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
(Heb 9:13-14; 10:1-10 KJV)
Praise God! For God, purged our conscience (our inner man) from dead works (sin, acts that are of death) to serve the living God. Putting His laws into our hearts, and in our minds writing them. His Laws, Then said we, Lo, we come (in the volume of the book (His Laws) it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first and establish the second!
So Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.) But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
(Rom 10:6-8 KJV)
For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh: How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience (our inner man) from dead works (sin, acts that are of death) to serve the living God?
For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect. For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins. But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year. For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins. Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me: In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure. Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God. For God has said, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
(Heb 9:13-14; 10:1-10 KJV)
Praise God! For God, purged our conscience (our inner man) from dead works (sin, acts that are of death) to serve the living God. Putting His laws into our hearts, and in our minds writing them. His Laws, Then said we, Lo, we come (in the volume of the book (His Laws) it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first and establish the second!
So Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above
Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.) But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;(Rom 10:6-8 KJV)
Thank You lightbearer,
The words you share are like music in my heart!
We have been given such a blessing. There is such a call to us His people to immerse themselves in His words,will,ways,light,TORAH.
As I have shared in my own simplistic way there is absolutely no other way into fellowship with Jesus and The Heavenly Father but the Commandments. Know and Keep John 14:21 That's why Jesus prophesied that in "that day" he would declare; "I never knew you" "ye that work without the Law" Matt 7:23
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(I realize you were talking to someone else)
Your post reminded me of this
John 16: 12. "I have yet many things to tell you, but you can't bear them now.
If we just go with what Jesus said while he walked the Earth, we will miss out on "many things".
(Not saying anyone here is doing this, but if...)
Your post reminded me of this
John 16: 12. "I have yet many things to tell you, but you can't bear them now.
If we just go with what Jesus said while he walked the Earth, we will miss out on "many things".
(Not saying anyone here is doing this, but if...)
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Yes, I have been shocked at the errors in just fundamental teachings that are so widespread - we have never questioned them. Verses quoted that aren’t actually in the Bible, stories told with man’s spin on them that actually aren’t correct. We have just heard so we believe. It is definitely a difficult journey while at the same time freeing to hear the actual truth, however and from whomever we receive it from. Take me to the scripture is my rule.
Good Morning Tx77,
Yes, extreme error!
The echoing of error from the beginning of the age when the adversary led Eve to think 'Surely He did'nt say..." twisting the meaning of Gods Commandment.
Same tactic, different day.
Our walk starts with Justification/forgiveness through His Grace then our WALK is all; Knowing and Keeping His commandments.
This is why the adversary teaches men to abandon Gods commandments! He works through lawless people to remove His commandments from the once Torah Loving nations landscape!
When I read how you were being led to seek out the OT that is why I said the Holy Spirit was obviously speaking to you!
Good Rule! Sadly as Peter warned about Pauls writings which are confusing;
2Pe 3:15-17 NIV Bear in mind that our Lord's patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him. (16) He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction. (17) Therefore, dear friends, since you already know this, be on your guard so that you may not be carried away by the error of lawless men and fall from your secure position.
The adversary is crafty. The commandment are the commandments no matter how many cherry picked passages they are the light to our path.
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Good Morning Tx77,
Yes, extreme error!
The echoing of error from the beginning of the age when the adversary led Eve to think 'Surely He did'nt say..." twisting the meaning of Gods Commandment.
Same tactic, different day.
Our walk starts with Justification/forgiveness through His Grace then our WALK is all; Knowing and Keeping His commandments.
This is why the adversary teaches men to abandon Gods commandments! He works through lawless people to remove His commandments from the once Torah Loving nations landscape!
When I read how you were being led to seek out the OT that is why I said the Holy Spirit was obviously speaking to you!
Good Rule! Sadly as Peter warned about Pauls writings which are confusing;
2Pe 3:15-17 NIV Bear in mind that our Lord's patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him. (16) He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction. (17) Therefore, dear friends, since you already know this, be on your guard so that you may not be carried away by the error of lawless men and fall from your secure position.
The adversary is crafty. The commandment are the commandments no matter how many cherry picked passages they are the light to our path.
Yes, extreme error!
The echoing of error from the beginning of the age when the adversary led Eve to think 'Surely He did'nt say..." twisting the meaning of Gods Commandment.
Same tactic, different day.
Our walk starts with Justification/forgiveness through His Grace then our WALK is all; Knowing and Keeping His commandments.
This is why the adversary teaches men to abandon Gods commandments! He works through lawless people to remove His commandments from the once Torah Loving nations landscape!
When I read how you were being led to seek out the OT that is why I said the Holy Spirit was obviously speaking to you!
Good Rule! Sadly as Peter warned about Pauls writings which are confusing;
2Pe 3:15-17 NIV Bear in mind that our Lord's patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him. (16) He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction. (17) Therefore, dear friends, since you already know this, be on your guard so that you may not be carried away by the error of lawless men and fall from your secure position.
The adversary is crafty. The commandment are the commandments no matter how many cherry picked passages they are the light to our path.
I loved when I heard through a teaching that the understanding of the Torah is fundamental in our walk with Christ. This is so true!
Most anyone we look up we can find them being accused as a false prophet - we have to look at the root of the accusations. If they are teaching outside the realm of someone's comfort zone that is cause enough in their eyes to deem said person a "false prophet".
We must seek things out ourself, combine with discernment, comfirm with scripture and go from there. When in reality as mentioned before most of what we have been taught is rooted in man's version of surely He doesn't really mean this......
If He said it - He means it! God has not changed and He is one with His Word so it has not changed either. He is not a God that lies - so we must take the scripture exactly how He has stated it - get to it's true meaning that is sometimes lost and twisted in translation and go from there.
Mark 7:13 thus invalidating the word of God by your tradition which you have handed down; and you do many things such as that."
It goes even more further then that, and is a weakness(?), or more like a weariness, of the flesh, on the "pastor/w wife, w/ kids, part. Usually coming from the "church of stone" "tribal leadership!" When, either by direct confrontation, or by endless insinuation, hear: "WE do the payin'?" (of your salary...therefore?) "WE do the SAYIN'!" (concerning what, or how much)!
Even though Paul stated that a "Shepherd/teacher/pastor", NEED NOT "work for a living", so to speak. And, Paul himself didn't even "put that type of burden" on the people.
After some 2,000 years? We can, or I can, anyway, see how via "tradition of man?" The cart is now "pushing the horse!"
Revelation 13
18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.
More TO the meaning of this verse, then "meets the eye!"
Even though Paul stated that a "Shepherd/teacher/pastor", NEED NOT "work for a living", so to speak. And, Paul himself didn't even "put that type of burden" on the people.
After some 2,000 years? We can, or I can, anyway, see how via "tradition of man?" The cart is now "pushing the horse!"
Revelation 13
18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.
More TO the meaning of this verse, then "meets the eye!"
I agree with the words that you say "Gods Will, Gods Law, His Word is in our hearts and minds through Christ".
But what those words ACTUALLY mean are two entirely different stories.
You can't just agree that Christ doesn't equal law.
Since you can't agree that Christ doesn't equal law then you must think that Christ DOES equal Law.
Therefore we disagree, fundamentally, on what Christianity is.
2 Corinthians 3:6-9
6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?
9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.
These scriptures compare and contrast, so we can see What Christ is and What Christ is NOT by reading here.
Christ is not the letter. The Letter kills.
Christ is not Moses Law written on stone, the 10 commandments. That is Death and Condemnation.
Through Christ is not the letter. Through Christ is the Spirit that gives Life.
Through Christ is not the law of moses. Through Christ is the ministration of the Spirit which gives Righteousness.
But what those words ACTUALLY mean are two entirely different stories.
You can't just agree that Christ doesn't equal law.
Since you can't agree that Christ doesn't equal law then you must think that Christ DOES equal Law.
Therefore we disagree, fundamentally, on what Christianity is.
2 Corinthians 3:6-9
6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?
9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.
These scriptures compare and contrast, so we can see What Christ is and What Christ is NOT by reading here.
Christ is not the letter. The Letter kills.
Christ is not Moses Law written on stone, the 10 commandments. That is Death and Condemnation.
Through Christ is not the letter. Through Christ is the Spirit that gives Life.
Through Christ is not the law of moses. Through Christ is the ministration of the Spirit which gives Righteousness.
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