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Non means salvation is the beginning of a process, i do believe salvation is the end of a process - means that these phrases mean to me exactly what they mean to you.
But you can not reconcile the fact that unfruitful brunches are cut off from Jesus and thrown in the fire with your erroneous idea of eternal security.
But you can not reconcile the fact that unfruitful brunches are cut off from Jesus and thrown in the fire with your erroneous idea of eternal security.
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Well.....the bible, which your reject lock, stock and barrel proves your view not only wrong but as false as it comes...
MY bible clearly teaches SALVATION is a DONE deal and with present continuing results from a past completed ACTION.....
But hey....keep on believing that you are on some processional salvation journey where you must jump through hoops a-z to get saved....
The words MANY will come before me in that day saying............is coming to mind
MY bible clearly teaches SALVATION is a DONE deal and with present continuing results from a past completed ACTION.....
But hey....keep on believing that you are on some processional salvation journey where you must jump through hoops a-z to get saved....
The words MANY will come before me in that day saying............is coming to mind
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Aaah, this doesn't sound like a done deal:
John 15:1I am the true vine, and My Father is the keeper of the vineyard. 2He cuts off every branch in Me that bears no fruit, and every branch that does bear fruit, He prunes to make it even more fruitful. 3You are already clean because of the word I have spoken to you. 4Remain in Me, and I will remain in you. Just as no branch can bear fruit by itself unless it remains in the vine, neither can you bear fruit unless you remain in Me.
Maybe this part is missing in your bible.
John 15:1I am the true vine, and My Father is the keeper of the vineyard. 2He cuts off every branch in Me that bears no fruit, and every branch that does bear fruit, He prunes to make it even more fruitful. 3You are already clean because of the word I have spoken to you. 4Remain in Me, and I will remain in you. Just as no branch can bear fruit by itself unless it remains in the vine, neither can you bear fruit unless you remain in Me.
Maybe this part is missing in your bible.
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Here, from my schoolmaster,
Ezekiel 18:24 But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die.
From Jesus
Matthew 7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
Matthew 7:19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
Matthew 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Hebrews 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
Hebrews 6:5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
Hebrews 6:6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
Jesus volunteered and let Satan be instructional in having Him crucified, that was to defeat death and be the perfect sacrifice for our sins, the Lamb of God. If you think or believe, He is going to let you crucify Him, because you didn't value the gift enough to hang on to it, well, we are going to have to disagree.
Now there is the possibility that they were never saved,
ohn 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
John 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
Everyone thought they were grafted in, the sounded like they were grafted in but they weren't grafted in but that causes this problem but it sounds like here they were grafted in
John 15:6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.
Ezekiel 18:24 But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die.
From Jesus
Matthew 7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
Matthew 7:19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
Matthew 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Hebrews 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
Hebrews 6:5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
Hebrews 6:6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
Jesus volunteered and let Satan be instructional in having Him crucified, that was to defeat death and be the perfect sacrifice for our sins, the Lamb of God. If you think or believe, He is going to let you crucify Him, because you didn't value the gift enough to hang on to it, well, we are going to have to disagree.
Now there is the possibility that they were never saved,
ohn 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
John 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
Everyone thought they were grafted in, the sounded like they were grafted in but they weren't grafted in but that causes this problem but it sounds like here they were grafted in
John 15:6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.
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Israel thought they were a done deal, but unbelief got them rejected.
So dangerous is us following this example we are warned against it.
20 Granted. But they were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but be afraid.
21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, he will not spare you either.
Rom 11
It is strange, but when you begin to see Gods point of view, the words are there, just simply ignored
before.
It is ironic how if we sow to error we reap to error, and unless we have a soft heart, we will run headlong
into it to our own loss.
7 So, as the Holy Spirit says: "Today, if you hear his voice,
8 do not harden your hearts as you did in the rebellion, during the time of testing in the desert,
9 where your fathers tested and tried me and for forty years saw what I did.
10 That is why I was angry with that generation, and I said, 'Their hearts are always going astray, and they have not known my ways.'
11 So I declared on oath in my anger, 'They shall never enter my rest.'"
Heb 3
If we think we are certain and attain that which has not been given, and act to the Lord in disdain,
we will not enter His rest.
So dangerous is us following this example we are warned against it.
20 Granted. But they were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but be afraid.
21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, he will not spare you either.
Rom 11
It is strange, but when you begin to see Gods point of view, the words are there, just simply ignored
before.
It is ironic how if we sow to error we reap to error, and unless we have a soft heart, we will run headlong
into it to our own loss.
7 So, as the Holy Spirit says: "Today, if you hear his voice,
8 do not harden your hearts as you did in the rebellion, during the time of testing in the desert,
9 where your fathers tested and tried me and for forty years saw what I did.
10 That is why I was angry with that generation, and I said, 'Their hearts are always going astray, and they have not known my ways.'
11 So I declared on oath in my anger, 'They shall never enter my rest.'"
Heb 3
If we think we are certain and attain that which has not been given, and act to the Lord in disdain,
we will not enter His rest.
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Romans 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Romans 10:14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
Romans 10:15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
Romans 10:16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?
Romans 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
Romans 10:14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
Romans 10:15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
Romans 10:16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?
Romans 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
1.) God is perfectly good and just and righteous.
2.) God chose to create this world and made man and woman in His image.
3.) Man being made good, still decided to do what he was instructed not to do.
4.) God's perfect justice decided death is the punishment to go against His will.
5.) Man fell from grace because of iniquity.
6.) Although God is perfectly just and injustice must be punished, He is also merciful and loving.
7.) God provided a way for His creation to be saved, while still fulfilling His perfect standards.
8.) His just wrath was poured on our only hope, Jesus Christ who we can trust in to be saved from the righteous punishment we deserve. Justice was fulfilled for those who believe in Him on the cross.
9.) Those who hear the truth and have the indwelling response which is belief/faith, are then given a quickened (made alive) spirit and a new heart.
10.) All who have been made new (born again) are saved by God Himself already and kept by His power.
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2.) God chose to create this world and made man and woman in His image.
3.) Man being made good, still decided to do what he was instructed not to do.
4.) God's perfect justice decided death is the punishment to go against His will.
5.) Man fell from grace because of iniquity.
6.) Although God is perfectly just and injustice must be punished, He is also merciful and loving.
7.) God provided a way for His creation to be saved, while still fulfilling His perfect standards.
8.) His just wrath was poured on our only hope, Jesus Christ who we can trust in to be saved from the righteous punishment we deserve. Justice was fulfilled for those who believe in Him on the cross.
9.) Those who hear the truth and have the indwelling response which is belief/faith, are then given a quickened (made alive) spirit and a new heart.
10.) All who have been made new (born again) are saved by God Himself already and kept by His power.
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The atoning sacrifice is a free gift to the world, not only you, but only those that are obedient partake it:
1 John 2:2He Himself is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.
Matt 24:13But the one who perseveres to the end will be saved.
1 John 2:2He Himself is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.
Matt 24:13But the one who perseveres to the end will be saved.
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So what.......
For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.
For I am confident of this very thing, that He who began a good work in you will perfect it until the day of Christ Jesus.
For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.
For I am confident of this very thing, that He who began a good work in you will perfect it until the day of Christ Jesus.
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