Not By Works

[FollowHisSteps]

Jesus said
37 "Anyone who loves his father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves his son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me;
38 and anyone who does not take his cross and follow me is not worthy of me.
39 Whoever finds his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life for my sake will find it."
Matt 10

Sounds like there are a lot of conditions involved here and definitely some who will be rejected.

14 For many are invited, but few are chosen
Matt 22

This is not about qualification, but about discovering reality and walking in it.
Words can be spoken, memorised, chanted, sung, yet the heart stay as hard as nails.

This is the eternal distinction between knowing God and being alive in Him, or just taking on
the clothing of the faith and not knowing its reality.

 

[DeighAnn]

What’s the matter pookie? Why are you so snarky? Is it because you’re upset that God is gracious?

Because not everyone asks for it. You don’t receive it if you don’t have faith in Jesus.

What does it take to have faith?

 

[Smooth]

Jesus said
37 "Anyone who loves his father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves his son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me;
38 and anyone who does not take his cross and follow me is not worthy of me.
39 Whoever finds his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life for my sake will find it."
Matt 10

Sounds like there are a lot of conditions involved here and definitely some who will be rejected.

14 For many are invited, but few are chosen
Matt 22

This is not about qualification, but about discovering reality and walking in it.
Words can be spoken, memorised, chanted, sung, yet the heart stay as hard as nails.

This is the eternal distinction between knowing God and being alive in Him, or just taking on
the clothing of the faith and not knowing its reality.

All qualifications are met by having faith in Jesus (John 3:16).

 

[Smooth]

What does it take to have faith?

Faith is a spiritual gift. You can nurture it by praying, reading scripture, listening to Christian music, enjoying fellowship with other Christians and letting your light shine before others.

 

[FollowHisSteps]

You seem upset that God is so gracious to everyone who asks for forgiveness, and upon that instantaneous forgiveness, comes salvation.

What’s the matter pookie? Why are you so snarky? Is it because you’re upset that God is gracious?

I am asking a question not of God but really about you and your understanding of God and His
declared intent.

I have no problem with God forgiving the world and drawing them all into heaven, or taking
people who say amen to him, along with Him.

You want though to put upon me "upset" "snarky" attributes.

Jesus said to His disciples they had to eat His flesh and drink His blood to follow Him.
Many left because He said this.

Jesus repeated words about obedience, following His commands, being cleansed and purified.
The whole jewish faith and Moses's law is about obedience and behaviour crucial to Gods heart.

To put openness without these realities is to ignore Jesus and God.

 

[FollowHisSteps]

All qualifications are met by having faith in Jesus (John 3:16).

Sorry you have not answered what Jesus was saying.
Do you know what love is from the heart, forgiveness from the heart, walking in purity and holiness?

Jesus and His words are our life in Him. When His words and His precepts and meaning abide in our
hearts we have communion and fellowship with the Lord of All. It is life transforming and the Kingdom
of heaven on earth. God bless you.

 

[DeighAnn]

Faith is a spiritual gift. You can nurture it by praying, reading scripture, listening to Christian music, enjoying fellowship with other Christians and letting your light shine before others.

Romans 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Romans 10:14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

Romans 10:15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!

Romans 10:16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?

Romans 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.


(The Word of God is the Bible, Jesus is the Living Word Deuteronomy 8:3 And he humbled thee, and suffered thee to hunger, and fed thee with manna, which thou knewest not, neither did thy fathers know; that he might make thee know that man doth not live by bread only, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the LORD doth man live. have you ever gone and read what happen to the law of Moses when Jesus got a hold of if? It is very enlightening as to what the kingdom of God is all about. Do you realize how lax and loose the law of Moses was comparted to the law from Jesus?)

Romans 10:18 But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world.

Romans 10:19 But I say, Did not Israel know? First Moses saith, I will provoke you to jealousy by them that are no people, and by a foolish nation I will anger you.

Romans 10:20 But Esaias is very bold, and saith, I was found of them that sought me not; I was made manifest unto them that asked not after me.

Romans 10:21 But to Israel he saith, All day long I have stretched forth my hands unto a disobedient and gainsaying people.

 

[FollowHisSteps]

A4 easy believism

People throughout church history have had groups saying it is all grace, acceptance and a party.
This would be true if God does everything and we just celebrate.

But Jesus is all about our attitudes to everything and everyone, and our hearts resist all this change
tooth and nail. It is so against our natures, only when we empty ourselves of who we are and let
Jesus guide and lead, filled with the Holy Spirit does it become possible.

The war between our old selves and our new creation in Christ is our discipleship, the walk of
love and grace. Youthful people, and new joiners often with enthusiasm leap forward, only to
walk in exactly the opposite direction when they discover the cost and the path.

There is a good reason the bible is so big, because even in our whole lives we will only begin
to comprehend the depths of reality that dwell in His word. God bless you all.

 

[dcontroversal]

Then why is it a command? Does the one who issues a command also fulfill it for you? If He issues a command and then fulfills it Himself, what is this verse doing in the bible:

1 John 2:4If anyone says, “I know Him,” but does not keep His commandments, he is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

Take 30 seconds and use your brain for once to figure out the first CLAUSE in that verse.......I fully expect you to choke.....

 

[dcontroversal]

He can not deny Himself but Him being the main vine, cuts those brunches from Him that are not fruitful and throws them in fire.

He does....hmmmm last time I checked it was compared to MEN that cut and cast.......

He will never leave us of forsake us<---My bible states that and that--->I will lose nothing

Your version equates God to a liar that does not keep his word

 

[dcontroversal]

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[DeighAnn]

A4 easy believism

People throughout church history have had groups saying it is all grace, acceptance and a party.
This would be true if God does everything and we just celebrate.

But Jesus is all about our attitudes to everything and everyone, and our hearts resist all this change
tooth and nail. It is so against our natures, only when we empty ourselves of who we are and let
Jesus guide and lead, filled with the Holy Spirit does it become possible.

The war between our old selves and our new creation in Christ is our discipleship, the walk of
love and grace. Youthful people, and new joiners often with enthusiasm leap forward, only to
walk in exactly the opposite direction when they discover the cost and the path.

There is a good reason the bible is so big, because even in our whole lives we will only begin
to comprehend the depths of reality that dwell in His word. God bless you all.

The more I study and read and seek the more I realize, it is like catching a hold of the hem of Jesus' robe as He walked by. I know nothing but a scant few truths of God. It is over whelming in the most awesome way.

 

[dcontroversal]

You are correct except qualifications established for salvation ....can be lost.
Once salvation is G-d's judgement...after physical death....it cannot be lost.

FALSE ALERT......no one buy this blather ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

 

[Noose]

He does....hmmmm last time I checked it was compared to MEN that cut and cast.......

He will never leave us of forsake us<---My bible states that and that--->I will lose nothing

Your version equates God to a liar that does not keep his word

He cuts the brunches in Him that don't bear fruit. Also means the brunches in Him are not eternally secured.

John 15:
1I am the true vine, and My Father is the keeper of the vineyard. 2He cuts off every branch in Me that bears no fruit, and every branch that does bear fruit, He prunes to make it even more fruitful. 3You are already clean because of the word I have spoken to you. 4Remain in Me, and I will remain in you. Just as no branch can bear fruit by itself unless it remains in the vine, neither can you bear fruit unless you remain in Me.

5I am the vine and you are the branches. The one who remains in Me, and I in him, will bear much fruit. For apart from Me you can do nothing. 6If anyone does not remain in Me, he is like a branch that is thrown away and withers. Such branches are gathered up, thrown into the fire, and burned. 7If you remain in Me and My words remain in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be done for you. 8This is to My Father’s glory, that you bear much fruit, proving yourselves to be My disciples.

9As the Father has loved Me, so have I loved you. Remain in My love. 10If you keep My commandments, you will remain in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and remain in His love. 11I have told you these things so that My joy may be in you and your joy may be complete.

 

[dcontroversal]

The more I study and read and seek the more I realize, it is like catching a hold of the hem of Jesus' robe as He walked by. I know nothing but a scant few truths of God. It is over whelming in the most awesome way.

You could have stopped with the bolded and then realized that we are telling you the truth...........then and only then would you be on the path

 

[Noose]

Take 30 seconds and use your brain for once to figure out the first CLAUSE in that verse.......I fully expect you to choke.....

I give you a whole day to read the second clause, it is the important part.

 

[DeighAnn]

HAHAHAHAHAH, I have put out enough ignorant drivel for the morning with all my ignorant blah blah blah ing on.

It amazes me that I have all that down so clearly. If only that were the lesson

 

[dcontroversal]

He cuts the brunches in Him that don't bear fruit. Also means the brunches in Him are not eternally secured.

John 15:
1I am the true vine, and My Father is the keeper of the vineyard. 2He cuts off every branch in Me that bears no fruit, and every branch that does bear fruit, He prunes to make it even more fruitful. 3You are already clean because of the word I have spoken to you. 4Remain in Me, and I will remain in you. Just as no branch can bear fruit by itself unless it remains in the vine, neither can you bear fruit unless you remain in Me.

5I am the vine and you are the branches. The one who remains in Me, and I in him, will bear much fruit. For apart from Me you can do nothing. 6If anyone does not remain in Me, he is like a branch that is thrown away and withers. Such branches are gathered up, thrown into the fire, and burned. 7If you remain in Me and My words remain in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be done for you. 8This is to My Father’s glory, that you bear much fruit, proving yourselves to be My disciples.

9As the Father has loved Me, so have I loved you. Remain in My love. 10If you keep My commandments, you will remain in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and remain in His love. 11I have told you these things so that My joy may be in you and your joy may be complete.

What do the following mean....

I will LOSE nothing
I will never leave thee
I will never forsake thee
We are saved to the uttermost
We are kept by the power of GOD
Eternal life
Everlasting life
Born of INCORRUPTIBLE SEED
IRREVOCABLE GIFT
and on and on and on

YOUR false view, conflated dogma and utter rejection of truth makes GOD into a LIAR......end of story pal!!

 

[dcontroversal]

I give you a whole day to read the second clause, it is the important part.

Well that is idiotic....EVERY word is inspired and profitable....

Try these words.....
I will LOSE nothing
I will never leave thee
I will never forsake thee
We are saved to the uttermost
We are kept by the power of GOD
Eternal life
Everlasting life
Born of INCORRUPTIBLE SEED
IRREVOCABLE GIFT

 

[FollowHisSteps]

He does....hmmmm last time I checked it was compared to MEN that cut and cast.......
He will never leave us of forsake us<---My bible states that and that--->I will lose nothing
Your version equates God to a liar that does not keep his word

A credit card faith. A credit card is only as good as the bank honouring the card holder and
the card holder agreeing to the conditions.

If the card holder cannot be bothered to either read the conditions or know the card issuer,
more fool them.

In law, each condition written is binding, unless given an exclusion or context limitation.
There holder of the covenant cannot renegotiate the terms, they are as declared.

Now you would think the Lake of fire is a big enough incentive to learn more about what
the issuer of the contract had in mind and what their ideas and precepts are.

No treating Jesus and His word as if it is just a superficial document written by men is fine
as long as the feeling is good and everyone else in happy, what could go wrong?