Not By Works
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Ok my friend,we must agree to simply disagree on this point! Yes He nor His word EVER fails,IT IS WE THAT DO! However you are free to believe if you do once saved always saved! I and or you are the only ones( with the exception of God) that truly knows how our heart is and how we walk before Him! I am no one's judge but I would like to see some of all others views in other threads not just the salvation and works ones. I would like to know the ppl that plan to go to heaven,as that is my destination!. We can start our fellowship down here on earth! I truly love ppl and to engage with them but the way must be open two way of listening and speaking. All must be done in respect and LOVE! Blessings🌞🌞🌞
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two cannot walk together unless agreed and there is such a thing as absolute truth.....the bible is clear on salvation.....it is rather tragic in my view that people actually believe that JESUS, the GOD of heaven can save a man at his worst and then not keep him saved....I want no part with a weak ineffectual god that cannot keep his word and maintain our salvation by his power through the faith that he started and then states will COMPLETE in us.......
IMV to say salvation can be lost = calling God a liar..
IMV to say salvation can be lost = calling God a liar..
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it's never about God NOT KEEPING HIS WORD, it's about US not keeping our 'commitment to HIM...
1JOHN 1:9.
If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
PSA. 51:11.
Cast me not away from Thy presence; and take not Thy Holy Spirit from me.
ACTS 13:22.
And when He had removed him, He raised up unto them David to be their king; to whom also He gave testimony,
and said,
I have found David the son of Jesse, a man after My own Heart, which shall fulfil all My will.
1JOHN 1:9.
If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
PSA. 51:11.
Cast me not away from Thy presence; and take not Thy Holy Spirit from me.
ACTS 13:22.
And when He had removed him, He raised up unto them David to be their king; to whom also He gave testimony,
and said,
I have found David the son of Jesse, a man after My own Heart, which shall fulfil all My will.
Where on GOD's green earth did you get the idea that we consider 1 John 2:19 is our proof text of whether or not they were REALLY SAVED.
Here is the real Proof Text:
Matthew 7:16-20 (HCSB)
16 You’ll recognize them by their fruit. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes or figs from thistles?
17 In the same way, every good tree produces good fruit, but a bad tree produces bad fruit.
18 A good tree can’t produce bad fruit; neither can a bad tree produce good fruit.
19 Every tree that doesn’t produce good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
20 So you’ll recognize them by their fruit.
That is after you have given the new born sprout enough time to PRODUCE FRUIT.
And here is the Spiritual FRUIT or Lifestyle Characteristics you look for:
Galatians 5:22-23 (HCSB)
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faith,
23 gentleness, self-control. Against such things there is no law.
Another tell tail Lifestyle Characteristic, is a divisive lifestyle, or addicted to arguing.
Titus 3:9-11 (HCSB)
9 But avoid foolish debates, genealogies, quarrels, and disputes about the law, for they are unprofitable and worthless.
10 Reject a divisive person after a first and second warning,
11 knowing that such a person is perverted and sins, being self-condemned.
I am not talking about a one time sin, a Lifestyle of acting the opposite of the good spiritual FRUIT, I just described; after you have giving the new born human spirit the time to Produce Fruit.
Now the BAD FRUIT is OBVIOUS:
Galatians 5:19-21 (HCSB)
19 Now the works of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, moral impurity, promiscuity,
20 idolatry, sorcery [sorcerers were the drug deals of that day, calling the drugs, magic potions], hatreds, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, selfish ambitions, dissensions, factions,
21 envy, drunkenness, carousing, and anything similar. I tell you about these things in advance—as I told you before—that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
Notice, I used bold type for the most frequent BAD FRUIT, those are lifestyle characteristics, we have seen here in the past.
Matthew 7:17-20 (HCSB)
17 In the same way, every good tree produces good fruit, but a bad tree produces bad fruit.
18 A good tree can’t produce bad fruit; neither can a bad tree produce good fruit.
19 Every tree that doesn’t produce good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
Matthew 7:20 (HCSB)
20 So you’ll recognize them by their fruit.