Not By Works
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See here David,now that just fires my wires that you so boldly lump ppl into the losers and winners groups! I have been saved and backside from GOD,it is possible even Israel backside from Him! It's called REBELLION AND NOT REPENTING! Don't you even dare say that I was not saved to begin with or this thread is gonna see a Real right between a man and a woman IRL!😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 pssssssst I'm not really mad at you just wanted YOU to hear me! Someone just told me to lighten up soooooooooooooo guess that's what I need to do! Blessings💖💖💖
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Thanks - serious question though.
Because my understanding is that everytime Paul uses the word "works" in the New Testament he's speaking specifically to Jews who believed they were saved by works of the Mosaic Law and his use of "works" does not refer to works of righteousness in general, rather, and specifically, he means "works of the Mosaic Law".
The greatest problem facing the church in the first century was the split between Christian Jews who believed you still needed to follow the Mosaic Law to be saved, and Christian gentiles who were under no compulsion to do so.
The books of Romans and Ephesians were written specifically to address the split between those two groups, and the book of Galatians was written specifically to Jews who'd fallen away from faith because they'd again begun relying on the Mosaic Law to be saved.
If that's the proper context, then Martin Luther was mistaken when he interpreted every usage of the word "works" to refer to any works of righteousness in general, and the modern denominations that trace their lineage back to him have perpetuated his misunderstanding and spiritualized it to the point of believing any who believe differently are not Christians.
Anyway, just pointing out there's a lot riding on how one defines the word "works" - also the word "faith" which is equally misunderstood in my opinion.
Because my understanding is that everytime Paul uses the word "works" in the New Testament he's speaking specifically to Jews who believed they were saved by works of the Mosaic Law and his use of "works" does not refer to works of righteousness in general, rather, and specifically, he means "works of the Mosaic Law".
The greatest problem facing the church in the first century was the split between Christian Jews who believed you still needed to follow the Mosaic Law to be saved, and Christian gentiles who were under no compulsion to do so.
The books of Romans and Ephesians were written specifically to address the split between those two groups, and the book of Galatians was written specifically to Jews who'd fallen away from faith because they'd again begun relying on the Mosaic Law to be saved.
If that's the proper context, then Martin Luther was mistaken when he interpreted every usage of the word "works" to refer to any works of righteousness in general, and the modern denominations that trace their lineage back to him have perpetuated his misunderstanding and spiritualized it to the point of believing any who believe differently are not Christians.
Anyway, just pointing out there's a lot riding on how one defines the word "works" - also the word "faith" which is equally misunderstood in my opinion.
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You know....there is one gospel not two....any gospel that involves the loss of salvation or a salvation maintained by man or based upon works has no power to SAVE according to PAUL.....take it up with GOD.....
MANY will come before the LORD saying, LORD LORD have we not done...
a. They claim JESUS as LORD <---as all salvation losers do and workers for
b. They claim their right to enter based upon what they have done <---as ALL salvation losers and workers for
Israel did not lose their status....THE MISSED the rest afforded believers in THIS LIFE and were made to wander in the wilderness....however....
GOD led the day and night
GOD's presence was OBVIOUS day and NIGHT
GOD fed them and gave them water
GOD provided a LEADER for them
GOD sustained them as they wandered
GOD did NOT forsake them, but rather CHASTENED them
Get it though you head friend....SALVATION is not LOSABLE.......NOR DOES JESUS leave us or FORSAKE US
and make NO MISTAKE......it is either 100% CHRIST or it is fraudulent
NOW for the record....NO MAN can judge another's salvation, but we can for SURE judge dogma by the word of GOD!!
MANY will come before the LORD saying, LORD LORD have we not done...
a. They claim JESUS as LORD <---as all salvation losers do and workers for
b. They claim their right to enter based upon what they have done <---as ALL salvation losers and workers for
Israel did not lose their status....THE MISSED the rest afforded believers in THIS LIFE and were made to wander in the wilderness....however....
GOD led the day and night
GOD's presence was OBVIOUS day and NIGHT
GOD fed them and gave them water
GOD provided a LEADER for them
GOD sustained them as they wandered
GOD did NOT forsake them, but rather CHASTENED them
Get it though you head friend....SALVATION is not LOSABLE.......NOR DOES JESUS leave us or FORSAKE US
and make NO MISTAKE......it is either 100% CHRIST or it is fraudulent
NOW for the record....NO MAN can judge another's salvation, but we can for SURE judge dogma by the word of GOD!!
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I concede to your wonderful wisdom O gracious one. What in the world was I thinking to rise up against the mighty dc! You be a one way man for sure,no one could ever say of you that you flip flop! I hope you get that I am joking with you David! Hmmmm strange some of those I strongly disliked when I first got here are starting to grow on me LIKE WARTS! 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 BLESSINGS🌞🌞🌞
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Works are works and if it is---> NOT by works of righteousness which we have done...NO works will meet the standard....
The bible states it not by by the deeds/works of the law
and Titus states not by works of RIGHTEOUSNESS <---can one do works MORE righteous than that? NO
Works of the law, works of righteousness notwithstanding....NO ONE is saved, kept saved or tops off salvation by works of any flavor.....
THE ONLY CONCESSION is found in the following truth.....THE WORKS of the FATHER -->BELIEVE on him whom he hath sent
It pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
NOW...the problem is that MANY will deceitfully say we are against works...WRONG.....
NOT SAVED BY, but SAVED FOR <-->Ephesians 2:8-10
ANY work of righteousness, anything done that is biblical or good is the direct result of the faith and salvation one already possesses in CHRIST....and for the record...
JESUS as the ROOT is what PRODUCES the fruit/works IN US as a living sacrifice....we are but the branches that BEAR the FRUIT produced by the ROOT
The bible states it not by by the deeds/works of the law
and Titus states not by works of RIGHTEOUSNESS <---can one do works MORE righteous than that? NO
Works of the law, works of righteousness notwithstanding....NO ONE is saved, kept saved or tops off salvation by works of any flavor.....
THE ONLY CONCESSION is found in the following truth.....THE WORKS of the FATHER -->BELIEVE on him whom he hath sent
It pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
NOW...the problem is that MANY will deceitfully say we are against works...WRONG.....
NOT SAVED BY, but SAVED FOR <-->Ephesians 2:8-10
ANY work of righteousness, anything done that is biblical or good is the direct result of the faith and salvation one already possesses in CHRIST....and for the record...
JESUS as the ROOT is what PRODUCES the fruit/works IN US as a living sacrifice....we are but the branches that BEAR the FRUIT produced by the ROOT
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The biggest thing I flat disagree with is the loss of salvation.......and IMO....anyone that believes that by default believes in a self maintained salvation.....and a self maintained salvation can only be kept by works because....JESUS was clear....
(A) HE begins the work of faith in us and promises to COMPLETE the work of faith in us.
IF we for one micro second believe that WE have to maintain faith or lose it....we by DEFAULT say that JESUS is lying when it is stated clearly that HE WILL FINISH the work of faith he begins in us
also......written unto saved, scripturally immersed believers.....
IF we become faithless, HE ABIDES faithful because HE cannot deny himself <----REFERENCE (A) above
NO ONE will ever convince me that we can lose salvation........JESUS promises to NEVER leave us or FORSAKE US....WE ARE saved to the uttermost and KEPT BY HIS POWER through faith (reference (A) above) and he states clearly that he will LOSE NOTHING but raise it up the last day.
WE may have the fire whipped out of us (chastened) and may even forfeit PHYSICAL life and or lose REWARDS, but our salvation is SECURE because it it the SPIRIT that has been born again from above by the INCORRUPTIBLE SEED and by the IRREVOCABLE gift of eternal life.
(A) HE begins the work of faith in us and promises to COMPLETE the work of faith in us.
IF we for one micro second believe that WE have to maintain faith or lose it....we by DEFAULT say that JESUS is lying when it is stated clearly that HE WILL FINISH the work of faith he begins in us
also......written unto saved, scripturally immersed believers.....
IF we become faithless, HE ABIDES faithful because HE cannot deny himself <----REFERENCE (A) above
NO ONE will ever convince me that we can lose salvation........JESUS promises to NEVER leave us or FORSAKE US....WE ARE saved to the uttermost and KEPT BY HIS POWER through faith (reference (A) above) and he states clearly that he will LOSE NOTHING but raise it up the last day.
WE may have the fire whipped out of us (chastened) and may even forfeit PHYSICAL life and or lose REWARDS, but our salvation is SECURE because it it the SPIRIT that has been born again from above by the INCORRUPTIBLE SEED and by the IRREVOCABLE gift of eternal life.
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We know there is such a thing as being a Prodigal. But the PRODIGALS always come back. However when one NEVER has any Fruit, which would be a big clue, that he or she was BORN AGAIN; then it is just a church goer and not one us true believer. In most cases when you ask How is one Born Again and How do you know if you are truly Born Again? YOU GET KNOW ANSWER, or only a scripture quote that may or may not have anything to do with the answer. They have NO idea how to respond to that question.
These are those who have NEVER BEEN Born Again, and will Fall Away after a short time. I used to be a Volunteer Protestant Chaplain in a couple supermax prisons in California, one at a time. The Inmates had a name for those pretenders, that never made a full commitment to the LORD. They called those, who have no Fruit, that will fall away after a little while, those who only have
JAILHOUSE RELIGION.
1 John 2:19 (HCSB)
19 They went out from us, but they did not belong to us; for if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us. However, they went out so that it might be made clear that none of them belongs to us.
These are those who have NEVER BEEN Born Again, and will Fall Away after a short time. I used to be a Volunteer Protestant Chaplain in a couple supermax prisons in California, one at a time. The Inmates had a name for those pretenders, that never made a full commitment to the LORD. They called those, who have no Fruit, that will fall away after a little while, those who only have
JAILHOUSE RELIGION.
1 John 2:19 (HCSB)
19 They went out from us, but they did not belong to us; for if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us. However, they went out so that it might be made clear that none of them belongs to us.
Many have confused that VERSE as a false justification for Works Righteousness.
Philippians 2:12 (HCSB)
12 So then, my dear friends, just as you have always obeyed, not only in my presence, but now even more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
Paul is ONLY SAYING, If you KNOW YOU HAVE BEEN SAVED PAST TENSE, then ACT LIKE IT.
Philippians 2:12 (HCSB)
12 So then, my dear friends, just as you have always obeyed, not only in my presence, but now even more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
Paul is ONLY SAYING, If you KNOW YOU HAVE BEEN SAVED PAST TENSE, then ACT LIKE IT.
Listen carefully......You have proven that you do not know what you are talking about and are false by some of the idiotic remarks you have made over the last few weeks, conflating numerous truths into lies, and putting the ox before the cart theology.
Do not address me.....do not respond to me.....your lack of contextual honesty and integrity with the truth has made it impossibly for me to even read what you write without having a stroke......
SERIOUS...........
Do not address me.....do not respond to me.....your lack of contextual honesty and integrity with the truth has made it impossibly for me to even read what you write without having a stroke......
SERIOUS...........
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FOLKS.....the following is a false statement made by one that is false and has no scriptural honesty or integrity when it comes to the word of GOD....the bible is clear and the MOTIVE behind GOD reconciling humanity unto himself is LOVE.....
Noose said:
Love is not a motive, never will it be. If love was only a motive then Christ would not have died for us.
Noose said:
Love is not a motive, never will it be. If love was only a motive then Christ would not have died for us.
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