The Problem Is...

[Lanolin]

South Americans do not really think of themselves as Americans. Neither do Native Americans (who consider themselves as indigenous nations).

As to speaking English, since it has become the language of the world, it is used throughout the world.

Speaking of Americans as such, today there is a huge divide withing the USA, which is being deliberately encouraged in order to destroy America from within. In fact, billions of dollars are being spent to generate racial hatred and lawlessness.

What do South Americans think of themselves as. Or are they embarasseed by the rude behaviour of the North
Americans.

More people speak Chinese than english though. But it is a harder language to learn, with the pictograph characters although english is actually more confusing in its spoken forms. In its written form, the latin alphabet is easier to decipher.

 

[PerfectlyImperfect]

Are you catholic?

No I'm nothing but a believer in Christ. Why?

 

[PerfectlyImperfect]

You are missing a very important point....the Bible does not teach you wrong and what you have allowed to..."be shoved into your head"...is not the fault of the Bible.

Validate all that is said to you...yes including what I am saying to you also...with the Bible.

I never ever did say the Gods perfect word was at fault for anything. I said all the so called "Christians" who have taught me God's word improperly from birth till now have some responsibility. And since life is a growing process I've been learning these past couple months seeking truth and knowledge is my business and responsibility. So I will not ever let anyone but God teach me anything ever again. But why on earth would I say its the Bibles fault. So many people have been so truly deceived its honestly sad and depressing because they all claim their reading the same Bible as me. 🤷

 

[PennEd]

No I'm nothing but a believer in Christ. Why?

Maccabees is in the catholic Bible. So I don't understand your insistence that it is inspired canon that should be in the Bible.

 

[PerfectlyImperfect]

You're assuming that they aren't "where they we're (sic) supposed to be". You'll need to provide some evidentiary support for that assumption before using it as a basis for further argumentation.


Either your grammar is lacking, or you're smoking something toxic. Perhaps you could rephrase this?


I said nothing about the events themselves, so don't assume that I did. Modern historical works aren't Scripture either, though they likely tell the truth of what happened.

Basically, I'm saying until I see the canon in the Bible I will stand firm in the fact that one way or another it was corrupted by satan. Because the only thing that was never corrupted by satan was God. Hey, maybe the canon is mentioned in some of these other books. And your right, they might be exactly where they are supposed to be because I can still read them to this day, but if God told them to write it down so we'd have a clearer picture of him a better understanding of whats truly happening in the world why would he ever tell someone to take crucial information out. I mean it has caused people to think that Gods a monster because they read the regular Bible and just see him attacking people. It never occurs to them to ask God what in the world these people did to deserve this. For example, why would my God of love just hate Esau for absolutely no reason at all that doesnt sound like him. And I keep searching for the reason, but I can humbly admit I cant find it in the Bible.

Us humans have a sick nature that is easily corrupted by satan. I mean all it took was an apple to cause the fall.

 

[PerfectlyImperfect]

Maccabees is in the catholic Bible. So I don't understand your insistence that it is inspired canon that should be in the Bible.

I wasnt the one who insisted. I was the one who insisted the canon was probably corrupted by satan somehow someway. 😁

 

[PerfectlyImperfect]

The title of this thread is ----
The problem is

I was always taught to say what you mean and mean what you say.
Be to the point, and use as few words as needed.

The problem is that far to many are more concerned about being perceived as rude or unloving so as not to just speak the simple truth.

Jesus loved the Pharisees, but he never worried about offending them with the truth.
His love was evident in that he always spoke the truth regardless of hurt feelings.

I agree with everything you just said. I am just trying to learn and be better at this, thats why I try to turn to other people who know something I don't so they can teach me and I can get a little wiser. I know I have a problem worrying about what others say. However, im always more concerned I'm going to make Jesus look bad with my actions or words than anything else. So for me its not always about the people. I know Jesus wants me to stand up for his kingdom but he doesnt want me to be hateful and nasty about it. He wants it be love that draws all lost souls to him. However, if they or whoever see my love as hatred Jesus say that's on them.

 

[PennEd]

I wasnt the one who insisted. I was the one who insisted the canon was probably corrupted by satan somehow someway. 😁

well if we cannot trust the Bible, because it is corrupted by satan, then we really have nothing. The Holy Spirit tells me the Word IS God Breathed, and trustworthy. I believe Him.

 

[Hazelelponi]

Basically, I'm saying until I see the canon in the Bible I will stand firm in the fact that one way or another it was corrupted by satan. Because the only thing that was never corrupted by satan was God. Hey, maybe the canon is mentioned in some of these other books. And your right, they might be exactly where they are supposed to be because I can still read them to this day, but if God told them to write it down so we'd have a clearer picture of him a better understanding of whats truly happening in the world why would he ever tell someone to take crucial information out. I mean it has caused people to think that Gods a monster because they read the regular Bible and just see him attacking people. It never occurs to them to ask God what in the world these people did to deserve this. For example, why would my God of love just hate Esau for absolutely no reason at all that doesnt sound like him. And I keep searching for the reason, but I can humbly admit I cant find it in the Bible.

Us humans have a sick nature that is easily corrupted by satan. I mean all it took was an apple to cause the fall.

To clarify, you believe the Bible is corrupted by Satan? (I'd like a yes, or no answer)

The fall wasn't over an apple, it was over temptation/sin that is common to all mankind - Jesus was tempted with the same three things that caused the fall of mankind and overcame.

The three sins/temptations that are common to all mankind are the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life. Adam and Eve failed, Jesus overcame and thus, became Savior for us all.

I'll wait for your answer to my question..

 

[PerfectlyImperfect]

Oh you will find out on your own the WHAT! I didn't say you said anything correct nor incorrect! Just BEWARE!☺😉😂 💖💖💖

Well just incase this is about the the possibility I could still go to hell. I'd like to say obviously God never does condemn me but he doesn't just cuddle me either and tell me getting high, or doing this or doing that is perfectly alright and there will be no consequences. Like I'm trying to point out to others, God says with love the things I do have eternal consequences and its possible they could be hell. And if you see I'm lost or confused about something and are just choosing to let me stay lost thats not cool.🙋

 

[PerfectlyImperfect]

well if we cannot trust the Bible, because it is corrupted by satan, then we really have nothing. The Holy Spirit tells me the Word IS God Breathed, and trustworthy. I believe Him.

OMG what are you talking about. I never said the Bible was corrupted. I am specifically talking about the persons who make up this so called canon that oddly enough I've never heard of in the Bible. And just like I said if all Scripture is God breathed why would the perfect God tell the "canon" to leave out these books?

 

[PerfectlyImperfect]

To clarify, you believe the Bible is corrupted by Satan? (I'd like a yes, or no answer)

The fall wasn't over an apple, it was over temptation/sin that is common to all mankind - Jesus was tempted with the same three things that caused the fall of mankind and overcame.

The three sins/temptations that are common to all mankind are the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life. Adam and Eve failed, Jesus overcame and thus, became Savior for us all.

I'll wait for your answer to my question..

NO THE BIBLE WAS NOT CORRUPTED BY SATAN THE PEOPLE WERE!! How hard is that to understand?


Im not going to say this again. Y'all are the ones who keep going back and forth. One mintue everything God says is true. The next mintue its not true because a society of people decided(Not God) to remove books God clearly told someone to write for a reason. So either everything happens for a reason or it doesnt why dont you decide that and let me know. The Bible is perfect and has no errors in it and thats again why its so interesting that this canon you speak of isnt in the Bible. If it is mentioned in the Bible please oh please do share the entire book not just the Bible verse and I will read it and eat crow because I'm never to smart to be corrected.

 

[Hazelelponi]

NO THE BIBLE WAS NOT CORRUPTED BY SATAN THE PEOPLE WERE!! How hard is that to understand?


Im not going to say this again. Y'all are the ones who keep going back and forth. One mintue everything God says is true. The next mintue its not true because a society of people decided(Not God) to remove books God clearly told someone to write for a reason. So either everything happens for a reason or it doesnt why dont you decide that and let me know. The Bible is perfect and has no errors in it and thats again why its so interesting that this canon you speak of isnt in the Bible. If it is mentioned in the Bible please oh please do share the entire book not just the Bible verse and I will read it and eat crow because I'm never to smart to be corrected.

what people were "corrupted by Satan?" In your opinion?

are you saying every Christian on the planet that ever lived?

I can't understand you because your very vague and unclear with your words..

that is why I asked you to answer yes or no. That way I could be clear..

When your calm, and in the mood to have a discussion, we can teach you and help you to understand why we accept certain books as being from God, and deny others..

It's important to know, but it's something that takes sitting and learning about.

 

[preston39]

My point is we have to pray BEFORE we speak, because we may be the ones in the wrong, and judging wrongly without discernment.

We have to make certain of our own doctrine before correcting everyone else.

Assessment under scripture is different than...judgement. The Bible requires a Christian to assess and discern association.
We are precluded from judging.

 

[PerfectlyImperfect]

what people were "corrupted by Satan?" In your opinion?

are you saying every Christian on the planet that ever lived?

I can't understand you because your very vague and unclear with your words..

that is why I asked you to answer yes or no. That way I could be clear..

When your calm, and in the mood to have a discussion, we can teach you and help you to understand why we accept certain books as being from God, and deny others..

It's important to know, but it's something that takes sitting and learning about.

I dont know how I'm being vague. Does the Bible say that ALL have fallen short of Gods glory or its say all except the "canon"? Again, which no-one seems to be able to point to the chapter in the Bible where he told a group of people to take out all these books of information. Basically, God told you to write a book to inform people and spread truth. And then he told me to come behind you and take the book out? Was that God or satan? Its real clear to me reading the other books whoever it was couldnt face the evil things they did or that they were. Just like most people today cant face the truth of what the are so they run and hide from it and will fight you tooth and nail before they ever let you help free them.

I didnt even bring up the canon because I never heard of them till just yesterday but I knew before looking them up it had something to do with satan or it was at least infected by satan. I'm trying to think of something other then Jesus that hasnt been corrupted by satan at least once and again you find someone or that something please let me know. It just doesnt make any sense that God who does everything for a reason, would have someone write a book of "useless" information, and then have a group of people come behind him and remove it. However, I'll wait till my dying day for factual information from the BIBLE on this "canon" and them being directly told to do this by God.

 

[PerfectlyImperfect]

In regards to the canon issue its a shame some dont see how their(canon) actions just like Eves actions have had an awful affect on the whole world. Like I said again because they removed some of the books God has been painted like a horrible monster. I literally had someone say to me that Jesus is worse than satan based upon him reading the regular Bible. Because all he saw was God going here or there to attack people for no reason. So this issue for me is about God it's not about me and you, thats why the chapters shouldnt have been removed they have crucial information about God! But I do understand this was all apart of Gods plan regardless, because those who want the whole truth can still seek and find it!

 

[Magenta]

In regards to the canon issue its a shame some dont see how their(canon) actions just like Eves actions have had an awful affect on the whole world. Like I said again because they removed some of the books...

OMG what are you talking about. I never said the Bible was corrupted. I am specifically talking about the persons who make up this so called canon that oddly enough I've never heard of in the Bible. And just like I said if all Scripture is God breathed why would the perfect God tell the "canon" to leave out these books?

The RCC "canonized" the apocrypha in the 16th century. Get your facts straight. The deuterocanonical texts were ADDED, not removed.

 

[PerfectlyImperfect]

The RCC "canonized" the apocrypha in the 16th century. Get your facts straight. The deuterocanonical texts were ADDED, not removed.

Wow again I literally just said I never even heard of "canon" until someone else here brought up. And the only Fact that I'll ever need is EVERYONE but God is a liar son I will only stand on him and his word because its the only thing that will stand the test of time. And as I said if it isnt in the Bible then it was corrupted by satan or invented by satan. Talk about getting facts straight again I say give me the biblical fact that God created "canon" and nobody can. I don't need to look up any false information but thanks anyway. And how were they added but never made it in the Bible that doesnt even make sense?? If they are not in the Bible now right now as we speak how is it that were added and not removed? Or the Bible was complete then someone came to add it and then someone came behind him to take it out? 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤷🤷🤷🤷

 

[Magenta]

Wow again I literally just said I never even heard of "canon" until someone else here brought up. And the only Fact that I'll ever need is EVERYONE but God is a liar son I will only stand on him and his word because its the only thing that will stand the test of time. And as I said if it isnt in the Bible then it was corrupted by satan or invented by satan. Talk about getting facts straight again I say give me the biblical fact that God created "canon" and nobody can. I don't need to look up any false information but thanks anyway. And how were they added but never made it in the Bible that doesnt even make sense?? If they are not in the Bible now right now as we speak how is it that were added and not removed? Or the Bible was complete then someone came to add it and then someone came behind him to take it out? 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤷🤷🤷🤷

That depends which Bible you refer to, son

 

[Nehemiah6]

...again I say give me the biblical fact that God created "canon" and nobody can.

That is a plainly ignorant statement, so what you should do is a careful study of the Bible to see that God did indeed create a "canon" -- a body of divinely inspired writings which are called "the Holy Scriptures" or "the Scriptures" or "the Word of God".