Why I now believe that salvation can be lost.
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I once tried to minister to a man in the gutter. He told me that He had been to the local Baptist preacher.
The preacher informed him that he was saved and baptized many years ago, so "no worries". No matter how you slice it, that is telling people that they can live any way they want to and still get to heaven. The solution is not to live a life of absolute perfection. The solution is to come to the Lord in a spirit of humble contrition and to repent. Neglecting to repent equals loss of salvation. That is what the Bible says. They all know exactly what Scriptures I am referring to. They bend and contort Heb 10 and John 15 into anything there heart desires. I love them and try not to hurt them, but God commands us to warn them. Godspeed.
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I am not sure on this, faith is the persuasion and conviction that something is true.
No man aligns their will with God's will. Just love one another, what's so difficult with that? on top of your faith (hope for salvation), you have to put an effort to love your neighbor, it doesn't come automatically.
But that dog was dog BEFORE he vomited, WHILE it was vomiting, DURING the time it went away, and WHEN he returns to his vomit.
During that WHOLE process he remained a DOG.
It's late March, and the dead leaf still clung to the branch. Not knowing it WAS dead, it still tried to extract nutrients from the Branch. Just at the tip of the stem of the dead leaf was the bud of a NEW leaf. The dead leaf knew the pristine, fresh, NEW leaf was going to be it's final demise. Yet it STILL clung to the possibility it could come back to life.
As it floated down when the NEW leaf thrust it off, it finally realized it had been dead already for a long time. Soon to be turned back to dust.
This is like us. We have the seed of Christ in us, in our NEW heart. Our old, dead heart (our flesh) clings to the possibility it can come back to life. It may not even realize that IT IS NOW DEAD. The seed that Christ planted in us is growing, led by the Holy Spirit.
But sometimes that old dead heart saps strength, time, energy, and resources from us, and that stalls the growth of the NEW heart. But one day, when we get our glorified bodies, the NEW heart will thrust away forever that dead heart. What we need to do NOW is understand that the dead heart no longer has power over us. This will hasten the growth of the NEW.
Make no mistake however, that NEW heart is there, now, and NOTHING can kill it, or remove it.
True, it is in us and it doesn't show outwardly until we confess.But love is something different, love has to be shown outwardly because it is only complete if the recipient feels loved through our actions and words (do to others what you would like them to do to you). Love is a command from the Lord - so the two have to go hand in hand.
Faith is the inward and love is the outward expression in obedience to a command. Without the outward expression of love, the inward is worthless.
Faith alone doesn't save, it is actually dead.
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Completely disagree.
Jesus saves not our love or our faith
Faith is the vehicle through which receive the gift of salvation, it is not in and of itself salvation and nor is love.
Many are called but few are chosen
Many find this vehicle through which the gift of salvation is achieved but only few are saved
Q. What happens to the others? Does God call people and then doesn't finish the work He set out to do?
"..As many believed, to them He gave the right to be called Children of God"
Being given a right to enter the door, doesn't mean you will enter the door, you have to use your right and apply an effort to enter that door.
Many are given this right but very few will eventually be called children of God or enter the door.
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God draws people unto Himself through the preaching of the gospel. The preaching of the gospel is God's power, his drawing power, to save ( Cor 1:18-21). Therefore, all people, when they hear the gospel, have the ability to respond to God's gospel call. They also have the ability to reject it (Acts 13:45-48).
Yes, the gospel is to be preached to all nations and all creatures, but that's not the calling because not everyone is called, those that accept it are called, but not all that are called will be saved, only a few are saved.
Matt 13:
3And He told them many things in parables, saying, “A farmer went out to sow his seed. 4And as he was sowing, some seed fell along the path, and the birds came and devoured it.
5Some fell on rocky ground, where it did not have much soil. It sprang up quickly, because the soil was shallow. 6But when the sun rose, the seedlings were scorched, and they withered because they had no root.
7Other seed fell among thorns, which grew up and choked the seedlings.
8Still other seed fell on good soil and produced a crop—a hundredfold, sixtyfold, or thirtyfold.
9He who has ears,a let him hear.”
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Perhaps this about how the seed should take root in our life and not about salvation
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It does not say we can lose salvation. It says many claim to be saved yet have never been saved
Paul said he “put on the mind of Christ daily.” No one does it on their own, thus the “command,” for believers, to be “filled” with the Spirit, which then enables us to align their will with Gods. That’s the only way it works. Believe, repent, be filled. It’s a continuous, ongoing action of repentance and filling, not being re-saved. Many confuse being indwelt with being filled with the Spirit.
Just as I thought. You are trying to turn this passage of scripture into salvation by faith “plus works.”
Once again, love is the greatest of faith, hope and love because long after faith and hope are no longer necessary, love will still be the governing principle that controls all that God and his redeemed people are and do throughout eternity. We won't need faith and hope in our glorified bodies in the presence of the Lord. In regards to Matthew 25, you are confusing descriptive passages of scripture with prescriptive passages of scripture and the end result once again is salvation by works. Your true colors are really showing.
No it talks about a COMPLETE faith. A COMPLETE faith is needed for salvation.
Jesus CHOSE JUDUS ISCARIOTWelcome and Blessings!
John 6:67-71 ESV /
So Jesus said to the Twelve, “Do you want to go away as well?” Simon Peter answered him, “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life, and we have believed, and have come to know, that you are the Holy One of God.” Jesus answered them, “(Did I not choose you), the Twelve? And yet one of you is a devil.” He spoke of Judas the son of Simon Iscariot, for he, one of the Twelve, was going to betray him.