Why I now believe that salvation can be lost.

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Nat2019 said:
Well nearly everything in the new testament was taught to a church or group of people.

If we are only supposed to view it as a (history) book,
That would then mean nothing taught, would be for Christian's today. If that were so, then all you would need is the "date" of Jesus death to just (believe) he died, was buried and risen from the dead or possibly a couple of verses referring to his death. E.g John 3.16

Because if you don't need to apply it your life what benefit would it have "other than being another story book"?
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Do you feel you benefited a lot from reading the ot? I know I do.
 
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Nat2019 said:
Sorry I dont have a Greek bible. But maybe I should get one:)
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A new bible won't do you any good. You need to get genuinely born again and receive forgiveness for you sin. You need to become the new creature in Christ by Gods hand and not the religious creature you have fashioned from you own imagination.

Those who know the new birth in Christ have no doubt that they are changed and no longer under condemnation. They know because the Holy Spirit witnesses with their spirit that they are saved. That assurance of salvation is unshakeable.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
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dcontroversal said:
If you can read the dialogue between us and then argue for the deception and twist and embellished convo we have had....very tragic and also speaks to your honesty as well....and you guys claim to be believers.....wow
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Controversy definitely becomes you! It is however against scripture! I see a one way bully calling ppl names! Are you God? Can YOU see my heart? Thankfully no man is my judge! I am not opposed to reproof nor correction when it is done by God's word! You have a good day now! 🙏🙏🙏
 
Leastamongmany said:
Controversy definitely becomes you! It is however against scripture! I see a one way bully calling ppl names! Are you God? Can YOU see my heart? Thankfully no man is my judge! I am not opposed to reproof nor correction when it is done by God's word! You have a good day now! 🙏🙏🙏
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You most definety sided with sin...see how that works out for you in the end!! And I can read and Judge rightfully that you threw your lot in with a deceiver.
 
notuptome said:
A new bible won't do you any good. You need to get genuinely born again and receive forgiveness for you sin. You need to become the new creature in Christ by Gods hand and not the religious creature you have fashioned from you own imagination.

Those who know the new birth in Christ have no doubt that they are changed and no longer under condemnation. They know because the Holy Spirit witnesses with their spirit that they are saved. That assurance of salvation is unshakeable.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
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Amen brother.
 
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dcontroversal said:
You most definety sided with sin...see how that works out for you in the end!!
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just tell me one word that this believer has spoken that has been WRONG! Not everyone believes as you do! That does not automatically make them wrong and I will NOT run screaming from your bullying! You must judge yourself a lot for as you know Jesus said judge not ,least you be judged! I stand FIRM in my faith,and put on HIS righteousness!. Call me whatever you choose but if I were you I'd be VERY CAREFUL about being unloving to those in Christ! 🙏🙏🙏
 
Leastamongmany said:
Controversy definitely becomes you! It is however against scripture! I see a one way bully calling ppl names! Are you God? Can YOU see my heart? Thankfully no man is my judge! I am not opposed to reproof nor correction when it is done by God's word! You have a good day now! 🙏🙏🙏
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"I see a one way BULLY calling ppl NAMES!"

Umm... You don't see your hypocrisy IN THE SAME SENTENCE? You called someone the NAME BULLY, then rebuke them for calling people names!

The real issue is you don't agree with the poster. If you did you wouldn't be saying anything.
 
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Leastamongmany said:
just tell me one word that this believer has spoken that has been WRONG! Not everyone believes as you do! That does not automatically make them wrong and I will NOT run screaming from your bullying! You must judge yourself a lot for as you know Jesus said judge not ,least you be judged! I stand FIRM in my faith,and put on HIS righteousness!. Call me whatever you choose but if I were you I'd be VERY CAREFUL about being unloving to those in Christ! 🙏🙏🙏
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Listen....you twisted, embellished, falsely accused me and changed the context of your questions numerous times in a very deceptive way....and when ONE SIDES WITH THAT THEY HAVE SIDED WITH SIN.....you can argue all you want.....this is exactly what you have done and anyone with honesty reading can see it......we are done....and you won't last long here doing things like that!!
 
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PennEd said:
"I see a one way BULLY calling ppl NAMES!"

Umm... You don't see your hypocrisy IN THE SAME SENTENCE? You called someone the NAME BULLY, then rebuke them for calling people names!

The real issue is you don't agree with the poster. If you did you wouldn't be saying anything.
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I see a lot of biased ppl here that see only one way.
 
dcontroversal said:
Listen....you twisted, embellished, falsely accused me and changed the context of your questions numerous times in a very deceptive way....and when ONE SIDES WITH THAT THEY HAVE SIDED WITH SIN.....you can argue all you want.....this is exactly what you have done and anyone with honesty reading can see it......we are done....and you won't last long here doing things like that!!
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well if the Lord chooses to have me go HE will!🙏🙏🙏
 
Leastamongmany said:
Sin separates from God! Unconfessed sin is death! Spiritual death means you are separated from God! Duh! NO SALVATION! THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED! 🙏🙏🙏
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Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha..you obviously have no understanding of IRREVOCABLE or LOSE NOTHING OR kept by the power of God....you must serve a weak god not found in scripture
 
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Leastamongmany said:
Sin separates from God! Unconfessed sin is death! Spiritual death means you are separated from God! Duh! NO SALVATION! THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED! 🙏🙏🙏
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I thought you did not like to argue??

The Gospel is we are saved .... not quasi- saved.

It is irrevocable, it is a gift to those who believe God for it, which cannot be forsaken, lost, revoked, taken back or undone, that is not the God I serve ... He is not a God of half-measures.
 
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dcontroversal said:
Listen....you twisted, embellished, falsely accused me and changed the context of your questions numerous times in a very deceptive way....and when ONE SIDES WITH THAT THEY HAVE SIDED WITH SIN.....you can argue all you want.....this is exactly what you have done and anyone with honesty reading can see it......we are done....and you won't last long here doing things like that!!
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YOU ARE THE ONE ANGRY,NOT ME!🙏🙏🙏
 
UnderGrace said:
I thought you did not like to argue??

The Gospel is we are saved .... not quasi- saved.

It is irrevocable, it is a gift to those who believe God for it, which cannot be forsaken, lost, revoked, taken back or undone, that is not the God I serve ... He is not a God of half-measures.
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I do not like to argue but some seem to think they can get away with whatever they want and ALL others ARE wrong,that is so not right!🙏🙏🙏
 
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Between those who are saved (you can't be saved or KNOW you have ETERNAL life if you at some point suffer what you were supposedly "saved" from)

we have sapplings made new in Christ

young trees with fruit still needing much growth

fruitful trees still not perfect but Gods love shines brightly in them


and to the unsaved (wheat/goats, blind, wolves)

there are those who openly reject God (they do not trust in Jesus Christ, they worship false gods or are atheist or even know the truth and still reject it wanting to call good evil and evil good)

those who pretend to trust in Christ but trust in their works


those who pretend to trust in Christ but use Gods grace as a reason to sin (never given a new heart which may struggle but be ashamed of sin... instead use the truth to indulge in sins carefree, showing where their heart truly is)

but no....


you cannot be "saved" and "kept by the power of God"

then end up in hell


that would make Him a weak liar and the bible imperfect as well


but praise God for being faithful and honest

His works in His children produce an enduring and lasting faith which grows into actual knowledge of Him which couldn't be turned away from



the revolving door salvation gospel based off your own performace is gross and tries to belittle Christ to being only a prerequisite and implies man holds salvation on his own shoulders


it makes Gods loving gift sound like a hard earned reward which can be taken away left and right....


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so sad
 
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