Why I now believe that salvation can be lost.

[eternally-gratefull]

I pretty much agree with your post because of the abundant amount of scripture and my own experiences. Arguments against it that use ideas and concepts out of context. There more from a "emotional" position than objectively examining what the whole counsel of God might be saying. I'm not 100% convinced but it seems to me it is very possible.

Peter denied Jesus, Did he lose his salvation from that time until he repented?

 

[FollowHisSteps]

Yep. And I have as of yet been proven wrong.
Yes, if we want to bear fruit.
Last I checked, Bearing fruit is not the same as being saved.

If you listen to Jesus, he cursed the fig tree that did not have fruit.
Fruit is the consequence of Gods presence.

 

[DeighAnn]

That would be a unique creature indeed!

Seems like everyone is talking past everyone else when all are in fact in general agreement.

Since salvation -- eternal life -- is God's GIFT to the one who truly repents and believes on Christ, salvation cannot be "lost". Neither can a child of God be "unborn".

By the same token the ones who are truly saved have been born again, and made new creatures in Christ. Therefore old things have passed away, and all things have become new. And that is why Christian baptism is so critical. It is a watershed experience to show the new convert that he is buried in the likeness of Christ's death, and raised again to walk in newness of life (by the power of the Spirit). Which means that those who are genuine children of God have turned their backs on sins and idols and turned wholeheartedly to God and Christ by faith.

For some, conversion is immediate and total (e.g. the apostle Paul). For others there may remain besetting sins. But simply because a Christian sins does not mean he loses his salvation. That is what Satan would have people to believe, but it is a lie of the devil.

Those who hold on to an evil or sinful lifestyle were never saved to begin with. So they need to repent and be converted.

I think that says it all. If we are truly a new creature, we can never change back. Only someone who was not being "truthful" therefore may have gone through the "motions" but never received the "new nature" doesn't "lose" they really never had it.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I think that says it all. If we are truly a new creature, we can never change back. Only someone who was not being "truthful" therefore may have gone through the "motions" but never received the "new nature" doesn't "lose" they really never had it.

True, A dog returns to his vomit, because he is still a dog. He never became a new creature, or he would not do what comes natural to him.

We can put on an act for only so long, eventually our true nature will come out.

 

[dcontroversal]

Not true. This is the strawman to which I have been referring.

No matter how you slice, dice and or peddle.....salvation that can be lost is comparable to exactly what I said you guys compare it to.....and on top of that it flat denies the inspired words of God and twists context into a spiritually inept pretzle......

 

[dcontroversal]

Lose salvation like a dime in the street?! I haven't seen that idea on CC except as an accusation against those who don't believe in OSAS!

It is utterly amazing how many eternal security people peddle that junk -->that those who don't believe in eternal security also believe that salvation is lost like a dime in the street! --- well please........it is rather accusatory and idiotic to boot!!

A fact for sure.......my bible state that salvation and the CALL of God is irrevocable....take it up with God when you stand before him and peddle the fact that Jesus was a liar and you needed to help him keep your salvation.....see how that works out

 

[dcontroversal]

True, A dog returns to his vomit, because he is still a dog. He never became a new creature, or he would not do what comes natural to him.

We can put on an act for only so long, eventually our true nature will come out.

While I 100% agree we cannot alleviate the fact that some believers, such as the Corinthian brother, are overcome by their own sin and God ultimately takes them home early by the destruction of the flesh.......

 

[posthuman]

Those things are quaranteed once eternal salvation is received, which is after G-d judges and grants our salvation. Until then and while we are on this earth...we are born again..

Why do you quote partial scripture only to make it appear as you wish?

Let us hold resolutely to the hope we profess, for He who promised is faithful. ​

(Hebrews 10:23) ​

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Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not being seen. ​

(Hebrews 11:1) ​

Preston do you really find no assurance in the gospel?

 

[posthuman]

So whoever teaches that that life can be lost is depending on self for maintianing his salvation.

that, or they do not have faith that God will complete what He began. our assurance is in believing God.

 

[posthuman]

Now that last paragraph I agree with completely - Amen! Except that with my theology all I have to say is that they are not believers and will not get to heaven. I do not have to make the judgement call that they never had true faith at all.

what's the difference in saying 'they are not believers' and 'they never truly were' ?

time? is belief dependent on time?

 

[posthuman]

A deceptive lie

We are so concerned for the struggling believers who find it impossible to repent and leave
will full sin, so we must just show them love and not point out the obvious failure to let God
into their hearts and change them.

But the truth is those who speak about not being cleansed or repenting in sorrow, or of
getting right with the Lord, are just sinners wishing to get into heaven without faith or change.

And the truth is there is no compromise. Love does not accept evil or impurity, it goes the other
way. And no matter the arguments, those born of God will always choose love over the world
and its ways.

He that is washed, needeth not, save to wash his feet, but is clean every whit: and ye are clean, but not all.​

For He knew who should betray Him: therefore said He, ye are not all clean.​

(John 13:10-11)​

Jesus describes clean as clean.
and He describes Judas as never having been clean in the first place.
nevertheless, that also even the clean should wash their feet: but He it is that was washing theirs as He said this!

 

[dcontroversal]

that, or they do not have faith that God will complete what He began. our assurance is in believing God.

There are numerous verses and truths that must be rejected to peddle a losable salvation or one that must be maintained by man....and without a doubt NONE of those dogmas have the power to save.......

Irrevocable as applied to the gifts and CALLING OF GOD is exactly that.

and

If we become FAITHLESS he ABIDES FAITHUL to his promises because HE CANNOT DENY HIMSELF

They cannot grasp the fact that JESUS WILL KEEP HIS WORD and ETERNALLY SAVE those who have exercised FAITH INTO HIS BLOOD because the GIFT OF ETERNAL LIFE HE HAS GIVEN US IS IRREVOCABLE and MAINTAINED BY HIS PROMISE, POWER AND WORK on our behalf.

It is absolutely Satanic to deny the above truths and say that salvation can be forfeit by MAN and what he does or does not do! It devalues the blood of CHRIST and in essence calls Jesus a liar!

I WILL LOSE NOTHING he said....and if he called you and saved you it is IRREVOCABLE!!

 

[preston39]

Peter denied Jesus, Did he lose his salvation from that time until he repented?

Did He die during that interim period?
He doesn't get his salvation until physical death and judgement by G-d.
I don't understand what it is about that you can't understand. Perhaps you need to study scriptures.

Anytime a person denies Christ when prompted by the HS to repent, one is blessed if he gets a second chance. Yes, it happens often but, who wants to take that big chance.

 

[preston39]

There are numerous verses and truths that must be rejected to peddle a losable salvation or one that must be maintained by man....and without a doubt NONE of those dogmas have the power to save.......

Irrevocable as applied to the gifts and CALLING OF GOD is exactly that.

and

If we become FAITHLESS he ABIDES FAITHUL to his promises because HE CANNOT DENY HIMSELF

They cannot grasp the fact that JESUS WILL KEEP HIS WORD and ETERNALLY SAVE those who have exercised FAITH INTO HIS BLOOD because the GIFT OF ETERNAL LIFE HE HAS GIVEN US IS IRREVOCABLE and MAINTAINED BY HIS PROMISE, POWER AND WORK on our behalf.

It is absolutely Satanic to deny the above truths and say that salvation can be forfeit by MAN and what he does or does not do! It devalues the blood of CHRIST and in essence calls Jesus a liar!

I WILL LOSE NOTHING he said....and if he called you and saved you it is IRREVOCABLE!!

This is not scriptural.

 

[dcontroversal]

This is not scriptural.

Let me tell you the following -->This qoute coming from one that could not hit the broad side of the proverbial scriptually true barn with a handful of bibles from 3 feet means nothing pal.....the truth is the truth regardless of your inability to accept the fact that the gift of salvation is IRREVOCABLE....take it up with God at the Great White Throne and plead your works and all that you have done to maintain your salvation....see how that works out for you!!!

 

[DeighAnn]

Romans 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
So shall all Israel be saved, this is who is being addressed if I am not mistaken.

Romans 11:27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
The covenant is unto them-Israel

Romans 11:28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.
Israel has been made enemies for the sake of the Gentiles, BUT and this is a really big BUT as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers sake, so it is to them that this next verse is written
Romans 11:29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
So it is to the "election" that the gifts and calling of God are without repentance. I believe.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Did He die during that interim period?
He doesn't get his salvation until physical death and judgement by G-d.
I don't understand what it is about that you can't understand. Perhaps you need to study scriptures.

Anytime a person denies Christ when prompted by the HS to repent, one is blessed if he gets a second chance. Yes, it happens often but, who wants to take that big chance.

I need to study scriptures?

Scriptures says I HAVE BEEN SAVED saved

Scriptures say I HAVE eternal life

Scripture say I WILL be resurrected

Scriptures say I HAve everythign in christ in my possession

Your the one who needs to study my friend.

Your looking for a hope that is not there. Because it is based on you not God.

 

[dcontroversal]

I need to study scriptures?

Scriptures says I HAVE BEEN SAVED saved

Scriptures say I HAVE eternal life

Scripture say I WILL be resurrected

Scriptures say I HAve everythign in christ in my possession

Your the one who needs to study my friend.

Your looking for a hope that is not there. Because it is based on you not God.

AMEN..........He obviously does not understand a perfect tense Greek verb nor the following words...

Irrevocable
Lose nothing
Saved
Justified
Sealed
Uttermost
Kept
Power of God
Rewards
etc........

 

[eternally-gratefull]

AMEN..........He obviously does not understand a perfect tense Greek verb nor the following words...

Irrevocable
Lose nothing
Saved
Justified
Sealed
Uttermost
Kept
Power of God
Rewards
etc........

He wants to earn his right. Well good luck to him, He will need it.

 

[dcontroversal]

He wants to earn his right. Well good luck to him, He will need it.

Tragic.....All the luck the world has to offer plus every work under the sun will not earn salvation, but rather that view will lead straight to the pit.....faith plus anything for salvation equals a bad day coming!