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Why I now believe that salvation can be lost.
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Did jesus place conditions on them?
Eternal life. Never hunger and thirst, the state of being in christ, and the state of being sealed with the spirit.
Why did he not call it conditional life, if it was conditional on somethign we do or not do
How about the seal of the spirit. Why did he tell us UNTIL the day of redemption. (Unconditional) And NOT tell us or until we fail to do or live up to his standard (condition)
Eternal life. Never hunger and thirst, the state of being in christ, and the state of being sealed with the spirit.
Why did he not call it conditional life, if it was conditional on somethign we do or not do
How about the seal of the spirit. Why did he tell us UNTIL the day of redemption. (Unconditional) And NOT tell us or until we fail to do or live up to his standard (condition)
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Is reigning with Jesus eternal life?
You forgot the rest of the couplet
You see He is Faithful
You forgot the rest of the couplet
11 For if we died with him,
we will also live with him;
12 if we endure, we will also reign with him;
if we deny him, he will also deny us;
13 if we are faithless, he remains faithful,
for he cannot deny himself.
we will also live with him;
12 if we endure, we will also reign with him;
if we deny him, he will also deny us;
13 if we are faithless, he remains faithful,
for he cannot deny himself.
You see He is Faithful
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Yep.
But shipwrecked faith does not mean it is lost completley.. Remember, faith of a mustard seed can cause us to move a mountain. Thats not much faith.
And in the same passage you wrote of. It says if we are faithless, he remains faithful he can not deny himself.
You see if he takes back his salvation, He must deny himself
But shipwrecked faith does not mean it is lost completley.. Remember, faith of a mustard seed can cause us to move a mountain. Thats not much faith.
And in the same passage you wrote of. It says if we are faithless, he remains faithful he can not deny himself.
You see if he takes back his salvation, He must deny himself
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Peter, who denied Christ three times, also wrote that there will be false teachers who deny the Master who bought them and bring swift destruction on themselves.
It would appear that Peter was differentiating between his denial and theirs. And it is possible that the underlying word for denial in Peter's case is/was different from the one used to describe the fate of those false teachers.
It would appear that Peter was differentiating between his denial and theirs. And it is possible that the underlying word for denial in Peter's case is/was different from the one used to describe the fate of those false teachers.
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Hi LW97, there is One who tells us that a true believer will never lose his/her salvation.
Was He wrong somehow?
Thanks!
~Deut
John 6:37-40 (excerpt)
All that the the Father gives Me will come to Me, and .. of all that He has given Me I LOSE NOTHING, but raise it up on the last day.
Was He wrong somehow?
Thanks!
~Deut
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