Was Adam and Eve a newer creation than genesis 1?

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Magenta

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For me they are like notches in the belt: a score card for preaching sound doctrine.
especially in the Bible Discussion Forum …
When you insert your own words while denying what the Bible explicitly says, you are not teaching sound doctrine at all, but fiction. You have been shown your error but shamefully prefer to slander those who care enough about what God's Word actually says to stand by it.
 

DeighAnn

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Genesis begins with the words, "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." This is the beginning of time itself, and this is why the Hebrew word yome which is normally taken to mean 24 hours is not applicable here. So, we are going back billions of years to when mankind [male and female v27] were first created. Whether or not God created more people I do not know, but I do know that population quickly explodes and given the time gap between "the beginning" and the relatively modern family of Adam, Eve, Cain, Able, Seth and their sisters, there had been ample time for other nations to form, from the original creation, and settle across Africa and elsewhere. :)
I don't know how I feel when I read this as we agree and then don't agree. I believe "In the beginning God created the heaven and earth". I have not been able to find any scripture that tells me any thing other than "world that then was" kinds of references so billions or millions I can not say. I do however know" all of the souls were created at the same time", but not that they were male and female before being born in the flesh. (No need for reproduction in 1st age as all were created and stood together) This part of Job which gives a part of it can only be understoond if you already understand "being born from above "innocent" in the flesh" But once you learn that then this "sets in " the timeline

Job 38:1 Then the LORD answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said,
Job 38:2 Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?
Job 38:3 Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me.
Job 38:4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding. Job was there, just doesn't remember.
Job 38:5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?
Job 38:6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy? But God tells us straight up that ALL the sons were.
Job 38:8 Or who shut up the sea with doors, when it brake forth, as if it had issued out of the womb?
Job 38:9 When I made the cloud the garment thereof, and thick darkness a swaddlingband for it,
Job 38:10 And brake up for it my decreed place, and set bars and doors,
Job 38:11 And said, Hitherto shalt thou come, but no further: and here shall thy proud waves be stayed?
Job 38:12 Hast thou commanded the morning since thy days; and caused the dayspring to know his place;
Job 38:13 That it might take hold of the ends of the earth, that the wicked might be shaken out of it? Reference to Noahs Flood???
Job 38:14 It is turned as clay to the seal; and they stand as a garment.
Job 38:15 And from the wicked their light is withholden, and the high arm shall be broken. (They will not be around forever)

Which explains
Isaiah 45:18 For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.
Isaiah 45:19 I have not spoken in secret, in a dark place of the earth: I said not unto the seed of Jacob, Seek ye me in vain: I the LORD speak righteousness, I declare things that are right.


As for the "Beginning" having the Earth, well Wisdom speaking in Proverbs

Proverbs 8:22 The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.
Proverbs 8:23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.
Proverbs 8:24 When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water.
Proverbs 8:25 Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth:
Proverbs 8:26 While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world.
Proverbs 8:27 When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth:
Proverbs 8:28 When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep:
Proverbs 8:29 When he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed the foundations of the earth:
Proverbs 8:30 Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him;
Proverbs 8:31 Rejoicing in the habitable part of his earth; and my delights were with the sons of men.
Proverbs 8:32 Now therefore hearken unto me, O ye children: for blessed are they that keep my ways.
Proverbs 8:33 Hear instruction, and be wise, and refuse it not.
Proverbs 8:34 Blessed is the man that heareth me, watching daily at my gates, waiting at the posts of my doors.
Proverbs 8:35 For whoso findeth me findeth life, and shall obtain favour of the LORD.
Proverbs 8:36 But he that sinneth against me wrongeth his own soul: all they that hate me love death.

This would all be the age when Satan was created a cherub, perfect in yada yada yada, till iniquity was found and the thief of Gods Sons by deception caused an end of "an age", but not to all God had created. We see how much it hurt him to "render" the earth formless and void in (which can not be mistaken with NOAHS tiny little flood comparatively speaking, ONE out of a few of the facts being the BLARING on that NO MAN was left on earth during this one. (a speculation on my part is why after this destruction go from having one heaven and one earth to heavens (plural) and earth because all the souls then go "somewhere" waiting to be born in the flesh)

Jeremiah 4:19 My bowels, my bowels! I am pained at my very heart; my heart maketh a noise in me; I cannot hold my peace, because thou hast heard, O my soul, the sound of the trumpet, the alarm of war.
Jeremiah 4:20 Destruction upon destruction is cried; for the whole land is spoiled: suddenly are my tents spoiled, and my curtains in a moment.
Jeremiah 4:21 How long shall I see the standard, and hear the sound of the trumpet?
Jeremiah 4:22 For my people is foolish, they have not known me; they are sottish children, and they have none understanding: they are wise to do evil, but to do good they have no knowledge.
Jeremiah 4:23 I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light.
Jeremiah 4:24 I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly.
Jeremiah 4:25 I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled.
Jeremiah 4:26 I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by his fierce anger.
Jeremiah 4:27 For thus hath the LORD said, The whole land shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full end.
Jeremiah 4:28 For this shall the earth mourn, and the heavens above be black; because I have spoken it, I have purposed it, and will not repent, neither will I turn back from it.
Jeremiah 4:29 The whole city shall flee for the noise of the horsemen and bowmen; they shall go into thickets, and climb up upon the rocks: every city shall be forsaken, and not a man dwell therein.

Could you please give the scriptures to your statements so I may go study them? Thank you.
 

DeighAnn

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No sir, Cain bloodline was preserved through Ham's wife. His son Cush is what the Jews call the Ethiopians. :cool:
Where do you find the info on the wife? I do see Nimrod, and Babylons beginnings. Just wondering if you ever read through 10:10 in Hebrew? "And was the beginning of his kingdom Babylon and Erech and Accad and Calneh in the land of Shinar"

And when I went to pronounce the last part it came out "where he erects a cad an callin the rest sinners". Just thought it was funny.
 

DeighAnn

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Where do you find the info on the wife? I do see Nimrod, and Babylons beginnings. Just wondering if you ever read through 10:10 in Hebrew? "And was the beginning of his kingdom Babylon and Erech and Accad and Calneh in the land of Shinar"
And when you say the "Jews" do you know if it is the Jews, from the tribe of Judah, or the "residue" Jews, those who live and reside in Jerusalem, or those who claim to be Jews but are not and are of the synagogue of Satan, the vagabond Jews?
 

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I believe that Genesis 1 and gen. 2 were two different creations. The NIV is a translation, not a paraphrase.

KJV 1611; Genesis 1:29-31 29And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. 30And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so. 31And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.2Genesis 2:1-9 1Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. 2And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. 3And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made. 4These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens, 5And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground. 6But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground. 7And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. 8And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed. 9And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

NIV 1974; Genesis 1:29-31 Then God said, "I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food. 30And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds in the sky and all the creatures that move along the ground-everything that has the breath of life in it-I give every green plant for food." And it was so. 31God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning-the sixth day.2:1-9 1Thus the heavens and the earth were completed in all their vast array. 2By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day he rested from all his work. 3Then God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it he rested from all the work of creating that he had done. 4This is the account of the heavens and the earth when they were created, when the LORD God made the earth and the heavens. 5Now no shrub had yet appeared on the earth and no plant had yet sprung up, for the LORD God had not sent rain on the earth and there was no one to work the ground, 6but streams came up from the earth and watered the whole surface of the ground. 7Then the LORD God formed a man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being. 8Now the LORD God had planted a garden in the east, in Eden; and there he put the man he had formed. 9The LORD God made all kinds of trees grow out of the ground-trees that were pleasing to the eye and good for food. In the middle of the garden were the tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

Adam was a newer, more special creation than before. Created for the purpose of tending to Gods garden with new rules. Adam & Eve and their descendants may have replaced the earlier primates that were later destroyed by the flood.
As Homo sapiens have been around for nearly 200,000 years, and only circa some 6,000 years ago started inventing the wheel, metalurgy, writing, and other items; I then see these events as the tree of knowledge which man was not to taste.
 
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Absolutely nothing ensued there was a 'creation' before 'Creation', zilch! Nothing! Just wishful human assumption to pollute an attempt superficialize God's word. No one has creation omnipotence other than God Himself.

[Jhn 1:3 NKJV] 3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.

Satan couldn't have created anything unless the WORD granted him such a task and power because, "...without Him nothing was made that was made."
 

DeighAnn

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As Homo sapiens have been around for nearly 200,000 years, and only circa some 6,000 years ago started inventing the wheel, metalurgy, writing, and other items; I then see these events as the tree of knowledge which man was not to taste.
Everything started being invented when man was put in flesh on the earth 8,000 yrs ago. Yes, there are animal bones from 14,000 PLUS years, no human. Dinosaur and ape, yes. Human of any kind, any shape, any story, is all false doctrine, false science, NOT OF GOD.
 

DeighAnn

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Absolutely nothing ensued there was a 'creation' before 'Creation', zilch! Nothing! Just wishful human assumption to pollute an attempt superficialize God's word. No one has creation omnipotence other than God Himself.

[Jhn 1:3 NKJV] 3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.

Satan couldn't have created anything unless the WORD granted him such a task and power because, "...without Him nothing was made that was made."
You have no scripture for your "thoughts".
 
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The Kenites were an ancient people living near the land of Canaan around the time of Abraham! Cain was much earlier. He built a city there named after his son who was conceived in Nod. That is what the Bible says. It does NOT say any people were there when he got there.

PS~ Abe was at least a thousand years later than Cain :) Maybe two ;)
Cain's lineage was wiped put in the flood
That definitely depends on how you understand what God is saying, wouldn't you say? That is also quite the emphatic statement to be making seeing as it is in direct conflict to what God says throughout the book. He tells us there are kenites, vagabond Jews, those who say they are Jews but do lie, are of the synagogue of Satan. I must believe Gods Word and so say NO, they weren't wiped out. That leaves the two possibilities. One, 2 of every flesh meant, two of every flesh God wanted aboard that ark and didn't feel the need to fully explain and though we may read of how many souls made it our understanding is flawed somewhere , or the flood was not world wide and just local to the fallen angels, their evil kids, and those who mixed with them which would be their entire BLOODLINE of Christ world. Either way, the mystery of iniquity makes it to the very end. There is good, and there is evil all the way through to the lake of fire, I believe.
Not quite and the fact that you deny this truth and red x this truth tells me all I need to know about your approach to the bible and theology.....Noah had three sons and Cain or his lineage were not one of the three and my bible states clearly that every living thing that had breath PERISHED IN THE FLOOD <--this includes Cains lineage!!!
 
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No sir, Cain bloodline was preserved through Ham's wife. His son Cush is what the Jews call the Ethiopians. :cool:
Hahhaahhahaah not hardly..........I suppose you ascribe the farse that Cain was made black when he Killed Abel.......sorry.......your proof does not pass the smell test!
 

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Cain's lineage was wiped put in the flood
We do not know who Noah's sons married, nor their lineage. All we know from what Scripture explicitly states is that there were eight human beings on the ark along with the animals that were saved: Noah, his wife (unnamed), his three sons (who are named) and their wives (who are not named).
 
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Where do you find the info on the wife? I do see Nimrod, and Babylons beginnings. Just wondering if you ever read through 10:10 in Hebrew? "And was the beginning of his kingdom Babylon and Erech and Accad and Calneh in the land of Shinar"

And when I went to pronounce the last part it came out "where he erects a cad an callin the rest sinners". Just thought it was funny.
You won't find it becasue it does not exist
 
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We do not know who Noah's sons married, nor their lineage. All we know from what Scripture explicitly states is that there were eight human beings on the ark along with the animals that were saved: Noah, his wife (unnamed), his three sons (who are named) and their wives (who are not named).
Yep....and Cain's lineage was wiped out in the flood......!
 
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If one of Naoh's sons' wives was from Cain's line, would that still be true?
The prodigy comes thru the man not the woman.....exactly why Jesus was born of a virgin, and there is not one shed of proof that any of the women were of Cain's line and substantial proof that the line of the righteous kept it in house if you know what I mean........I have studied this out....that is my view that Cain's lineage perished in the flood......and if I was at home (in AU) and had access to my pc I would load the study which led me to that conclusion :)