It is not the Bible that is absurd but your belief that TOTALLY absurd. God the Father sent God the Son. He did not send Himself. And the Bible is CRYSTAL CLEAR, while you are trying to muddy the waters with your false doctrine.
"... and the Word was GOd. ..."
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This is just wrong.
Jesus was in the water, while John saw the dove and heard the voice. And the voice distinguished ITSELF as separate from the Son.
Then what is this? who is speaking here?
Mal 3:1“Behold, I will send My messenger, who will prepare the way before Me. Then the Lord whom you seek will suddenly come to His temple—the Messenger of the covenant, in whom you delight—see, He is coming,” says the LORD of Hosts.
Q. Was Jesus one person and one God by Himself as He stood in the water getting baptized?
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It does not fit. Because the language is not the same, In Is 6: 8 it is KNOWN first hand, the prophet is speaking and when God is speaking.
You can not say this about the passage in question.
Its all over scripture man, You use scripture to interpret scripture or do you not understand this. Why are you ingoring fact? Do you think it will help you in your crucade against catholics? I am anti- catholic also. But I am not going to twist the word of God just to out them.
I'm not saying Isaiah 6:8 has the same language, all on saying is that Isaiah 6:8 has Isaiah saying for Jehovah to "send him", then in Isaiah 48:16b we have the speaker saying that he had been "sent" by Jehovah, that is the link I'm making. I'm not suggesting Isaiah 6:8 parallels Isaiah 48:16.
"Its all over scripture man" is your evidence?? I'm all for using scripture to interpret scripture, but what you cant do is twist a passage that's says "there is one God the Father" and suggest it's got to do with one in unity.
Where are these scriptures you refer to about the "one God" being in reference to unity?
Sorry but what scripture comes out and declares the trinity doctrine? None do, rather you piece it together using the entire bible, am I wrong. What I'm doing with Isaiah 48:16 and Isaiah 6:8 is no different.
If this is a clear sign you're unable to show any I dont know what is. What post number, who apart from you have I had an ongoing conversation with on this thread?
Again, show us what scriptures speaks of the "one God" relating to a oneness in unity.
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Again, this is your view. Not based on fact
again, People have been showing you all day. If you have no desire to see you never will.
You have not even responded to why the FATHEr and SPIRIT sent whoever it is you think they sent.
Your being dishonest. With yourself and everyone else.
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And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say,
My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
Matthew 27:46
And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus,
he gave up the ghost.
Luke 23:46
10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself:
but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.
John 14:
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
John 3:16 (ESV)
My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
Matthew 27:46
And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus,
he gave up the ghost.
Luke 23:46
10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself:
but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.
John 14:
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
John 3:16 (ESV)
9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who
created all things by Jesus Christ:
10 To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom
of God,
11 According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:
Ephesians 3:
created all things by Jesus Christ:
10 To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom
of God,
11 According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:
Ephesians 3:
6 By the word of the LORD the heavens were made, and by the breath of his mouth all their host.
7 He gathers the waters of the sea as a heap; he puts the deeps in storehouses.
8 Let all the earth fear the LORD; let all the inhabitants of the world stand in awe of him!
Psalm 33:
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 He was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made.
John 1:
7 He gathers the waters of the sea as a heap; he puts the deeps in storehouses.
8 Let all the earth fear the LORD; let all the inhabitants of the world stand in awe of him!
Psalm 33:
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 He was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made.
John 1:
Man you really are the master of gobbledegook and convoluted nonsense …
16 And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Helper, to be with you forever,
17 even the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees him nor knows him.
You know him, for he dwells with you and will be in you.
26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance
all that I have said to you.
John 14:
But when the Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth, who proceeds from the Father,
he will bear witness about me.
John 15: 26
And while staying with them he ordered them not to depart from Jerusalem, but to wait for the promise of the Father, which,
he said, “you heard from me;
Acts 1:4
Scriptural gymnastics and logical deductions won't make the grade when finites attempt to describe the Infinite. Stick with Scripture. Nowhere is it revealed the Father died for our sins or that the Son sent the Father to be a propitiation for our sins.
12 And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him, and said unto him, The LORD is with thee, thou mighty man of valour.
14 And the LORD looked upon him, and said, Go in this thy might, and thou shalt save Israel from the hand of the Midianites:
have not I sent thee?
20 And the angel of God said unto him, Take the flesh and the unleavened cakes, and lay them upon this rock, and pour out the
broth. And he did so.
21 Then the angel of the LORD put forth the end of the staff that was in his hand, and touched the flesh and the unleavened cakes;
and there rose up fire out of the rock, and consumed the flesh and the unleavened cakes. Then the angel of the LORD departed out of
his sight.
Judges 6: Gideon
14 And the LORD looked upon him, and said, Go in this thy might, and thou shalt save Israel from the hand of the Midianites:
have not I sent thee?
20 And the angel of God said unto him, Take the flesh and the unleavened cakes, and lay them upon this rock, and pour out the
broth. And he did so.
21 Then the angel of the LORD put forth the end of the staff that was in his hand, and touched the flesh and the unleavened cakes;
and there rose up fire out of the rock, and consumed the flesh and the unleavened cakes. Then the angel of the LORD departed out of
his sight.
Judges 6: Gideon
Here I thought you were the tongue gobbledegook and convoluted nonsense master of self edifying shown by your falling backward .The filling of the filler ghost.
One God . . father and the Son both. Insepereatable. The dynamic Duo . No Lone Ranger without Tonto. No father without the Son. The A team .
2 John 1:9Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
It is fact that the trinity is not clear cut and defined in scripture, what passage cleary teaches it? Show it if you can, you won't be able to. As I said earlier the trinity is not tuaght in scripture, rather you use the entire bible and piece it together bit by bit, if 'm wrong then produce a single passage.
No, people have no being showing me all day, this is the second time you've said this. Tell me the post number where I have discussed this today or even on this thread, please show me because you are simply being untruthful.
Tell me the post number as I asked, if you can't then tell me the passage that shows the expression "one God" is regarding the unity of God.
Yes I did, I showed you Isaiah 6:8 where Isaiah asks to be sent when YHWH asks who to send.
9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.
13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days,
and they brought him near before him.
14 And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.
Daniel 7:
Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of
power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.
Matthew 26:64
compare also with Revelation 1:13-15
13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days,
and they brought him near before him.
14 And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.
Daniel 7:
Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of
power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.
Matthew 26:64
compare also with Revelation 1:13-15