Was Adam and Eve a newer creation than genesis 1?

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There are trace amounts of plutonium, however, the fact that it is down to trace amounts means it has decayed, over the years which is what happens to isotopes.
It does not mean it DID. It may have, But you can not prove this any more than science can, It is all based on assumptions. I stopped assuming things about 10 years ago. When my eyes were opened.

Young earth people try to solve this problem by speeding up the rate of decay.....however the scientific evidence is that the rate of isotope decay has been constant and is resistant to change.

In fact when the rate of decay is accelerated the heat and energy reproduced would destroy the earth's crust.
No problem at all. I do not need to speed up decay. I do not have to do anything.. All I need to do is realise. NO ONE was alive pre flood. So we have no possible idea what was on earth pre flood. We also know that it appears in scripture that there was no earthquakes or the like which causes radioactive materials pre flood. Which means ALL elements were created at or after the flood (again, it is shown in lab tests that a high electric current going through certain rocks is what causes radioactive material.) and if we look at the details of the flood. And what really happened. It all comes into focus.

What happens, Is old earth people do exactly what Peter warned about. They ASSUME things have always been the same since creation (their whole science is based on this fact) And he called the scoffers. I stopped being a scoffer 10 years ago, when the GAP theory was shown to me after deep study to be seriously flawed. And left far to many questions than it did answers.
 
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Verse 15 is referring to animals, not to humans. How do you get "ethnos" (a Greek word) from Genesis 7, which was written in Hebrew? (Don't bother citing the Septuagint, because it isn't there either)
Hebrew - Basar
Greek Septuagint - Sarx
 
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You know some of them think there were dinosaurs on the ark, my stomach still hurts. Never thought of the penguins, Anyway, I know the flood was to get rid of the fallen angels and their kids etc. Thank you for "Bible is an account of Israel".
God said their were dinosours after the ark (behemoth,/leviathon) If they were after, they must have been on (most likely the children) I mean think, If God told noah how to build the ark, Can not God make accomodations for Dinos? I mean if you think about it, He sut the mouths of liond for Daniel. Could he not only make a place for them to live, but close their mouths for noah and his sons.

God said EVERY CREATURE. Do you not consider a dino a creature?

That thing causing your stomach to hurt, that just may be conviction, maybe God is trying to share something with you.
 
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Your theory about the nations of the world coming from Noah is false.
"During the 6th millennium BC, agriculture spread from the Balkans to Italy and Eastern Europe, and also from Mesopotamia to Egypt. World population was essentially stable at approximately 5 million, though some speculate up to 7 million." (Wiki) This was before the Bible even began.

It took billions of years for the Grand Canyon to become like it is today.
Wow. Just wow.

There you have it people. The pagan, lost, people who follow darwins theories love this guy. Love him to death!
 
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The Bibles own account of the age before this one puts it past your 14,000 already. You have the dinosaurs and the ice age all happening in the last 6000 to 8000 years. You have to believe "all science is a lie", And all the verses you never account for like = Wasn't created "tohu", but was found to be "in the beginning" "tohu wa bohu". For this they are willingly ignorant... in and out of water, destruction upon destruction... NO MAN and heavens black. Satan protecting cherub till iniquity found then shows up in garden, all the sons and stars shouted and sang.. Willingly ignorant.
Science does not lie

They just seek to DISPROVE GOD.

There are many christian scientists. Who look at truth, and just let the truth no matter what it says form their opinions. And they not only see the ice age and dinos in the last 6000 years. They also at every turn prove the bible is correct
 
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They were building a city. Meaning the world by this time was well populated. Put it this way, they were far more advanced then Adam's family. Read what they were doing in chapter 4.

And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch. (Gen 4:17)

As you say, they were an ancient people.
You know how long people lived back then?

How can adam be the first man, and the head of all mankind if he was not the only human, Why did God form him from the dust of the earth, when he could have had him born of parents.


Keep talking, You give me more faith..
 
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They... you say they as if there were others there, which is an assumption. Nobody else is mentioned but his wife and his son Enoch. His descendants could have populated the city to begin with. Cain built it.
I am sure there were many people by then, Look how fast the world came when noah and his family started to repopulate. adam and eve had many kids, and their kids had many kids. It does not take long in reality.
 
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Numbers 24:21 And he looked on the Kenites, and took up his parable, and said, Strong is thy dwellingplace, and thou puttest thy nest in a rock.
Numbers 24:22 Nevertheless the Kenite shall be wasted, until Asshur shall carry thee away captive.

Strongs 7017 Qeni or Qini members of the tribe of kenites Word origin from Qayin Strongs 7014 Qayin Cain Proper name of a people etc
So the kenites were post flood. Thank you. They were descendants of noah. Not cain.
 
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Building a city like Jericho suggests there were other people, Cain married one of them. They were playing musical instruments and working in iron. This is late in human history. It took millions of years before people learnt how to make fire.
Says who?

Do you not think God would have taught them this basic necessity of life?
 
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I will take the red crosses.
Genesis 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
These are the 6th day PEOPLES. All the different "ethnos" if you carefully study this day and the 8th day God is quite sure to make the events very different from each other MALE AND FEMALE CREATED TOGETHER

Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. This is the 8th day in which the BLOODLINE through which Christ would come is started. It had to be on a separate so as not to get confused and to keep the perfect genealogy for the sake of prophecy.

So the 6th day "peoples" were around 2 (I say that to not get into the "day" debate again) "days" in which much of the world was being populated.

To claim that Cain married someone from his family is ADDING mans thoughts as that is not written. God wrote as He wrote and we are to seek out the similar and the dissimilar details to arrive at truth.

Adam was formed and then after Naming all the animals, would take us a day to just list them, Eve was taken from Him.

So red cross away. But it is GODS TRUTH.
Wrong
On the 6th ay God created mankind

In Gen 2, God explains how he created mankind.


 
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God gives answers. Men create questions.

6th day - all the different peoples created. All colors. All equal. All very good.

8th day Gods chosen Bloodline and story line for prophecy.

Where did all the races come from. God
Why did Cain need a mark if everyone was "family" Because they weren't family
Who did Cain marry. Someone from the 6th day
Why do cultures date back to the same time. Cause all made at same time
Why are the descriptions between the two days so different? Cause they are different events.

Why is there no written or picture "history" about a "NEW COLOR PEOPLE" showing up? if there are black, brown, red, yellow, white, there should have been 4 times that a "new race" began. Was it just one couple had one baby completely different at the same time another one did, so those got together and started a new one? And did that happen 4 different times and no one ever thought to write about it, ever? And why did it stop? Shouldn't we have greens and purples by now?

The same problem with evolution is the same problem here. It doesn't stop.

And I do believe the first 7 days were thousand year days, and the 8th day started the 24hr day.

Just look at the words God used. I take the differences and believe they are meant to be different, Some look at the differences and say " its an explanation" even though God doesn't say its an explanation. God doesn't seem to have a problem with explaining when He wants to. One way answers questions, the other creates more.
DNA

And you say you know science.. :ROFL::ROFL::ROFL::ROFL:
 
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Those people were living the same time as Adam and Eve.

You will notice they were playing musical instruments. Now it is an accepted fact that Adam and Eve were living about 6000 years ago and it is claimed they were the first people ever. So tell me, how come people were making musical instruments. tens of thousand years ago?

https://www.smashinglists.com/10-earliest-known-musical-instruments/
Where in the bible do you find men making musical instruments 10,000 years ago?
 
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It does not mean it DID. It may have, But you can not prove this any more than science can, It is all based on assumptions. I stopped assuming things about 10 years ago. When my eyes were opened.


No problem at all. I do not need to speed up decay. I do not have to do anything.. All I need to do is realise. NO ONE was alive pre flood. So we have no possible idea what was on earth pre flood. We also know that it appears in scripture that there was no earthquakes or the like which causes radioactive materials pre flood. Which means ALL elements were created at or after the flood (again, it is shown in lab tests that a high electric current going through certain rocks is what causes radioactive material.) and if we look at the details of the flood. And what really happened. It all comes into focus.

What happens, Is old earth people do exactly what Peter warned about. They ASSUME things have always been the same since creation (their whole science is based on this fact) And he called the scoffers. I stopped being a scoffer 10 years ago, when the GAP theory was shown to me after deep study to be seriously flawed. And left far to many questions than it did answers.
Patents have been awarded to major corporations for electrical devices that claim to accelerate alpha, beta, and gamma decay and thereby decontaminate hazardous nuclear wastes. However, they have not been shown to work on a large scale. An interesting patent awarded to William A. Barker is described as follows:21

Radioactive material is placed in or on a Van de Graaff generator where an electric potential of 50,000 – 500,000 volts is applied for at least 30 minutes. This large negative voltage is thought to lower each nucleus’ energy barrier. Thus alpha, beta, and gamma particles rapidly escape radioactive nuclei.

While these electrical devices may accelerate decay rates, a complete theoretical understanding of them does not yet exist, they are expensive, and they act only on small samples. However, the common belief that decay rates are constant in all conditions should now be discarded.


Creation Science

They have no answer.....they acknowledge that the decay rates would have had to have been sped up....yet they do not address the amount of heat and energy released and how that would have affected the planet.

That is a huge leap to state the constant decay rates should be discarded.
This is not science this is mostly suppostition and conjecture.
 
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Ever heard of DNA?

Who do you think wrote it?

And who do you think put each possible genome which represented all the races in said DNA?

Remember, All mankind came from Adam and Eve, Noah and his sons already had mixed human groups.

There is an excelent book whihc explains this in great detail. Science also shows mankind has come from one father, and one mother, Amazingly, the mother and father pair did not even live in the same period of time.

With God, All things are possible. I mean think, How many pair of the dog specie was on the ark. Yet in 4000 years. How many different breeds of dog and types do we have today? Even the last 100 years has seen MANY a different type being made,
Good point.

Mysticism as a false source of faith does not need DNA. .Just beleive the unknown.

DNA makes the fact that God creates after "kinds" a law not subject to change. Waggles is one of those who say Angels that have no DNA have mingled with a certain kind of DNA and created a new kind off creature not on the charts.

Many have offered God creates after "kinds" in respect to DNA. But just like the foundation of tongue in respect to those who do fall backward .Slain or under the judgment The key to them is silence is the golden ticket .
 
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PS said:


OK, so they had children out of wedlock. That is important how?

The human kind of wedlock
 
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Patents have been awarded to major corporations for electrical devices that claim to accelerate alpha, beta, and gamma decay and thereby decontaminate hazardous nuclear wastes. However, they have not been shown to work on a large scale. An interesting patent awarded to William A. Barker is described as follows:21

Radioactive material is placed in or on a Van de Graaff generator where an electric potential of 50,000 – 500,000 volts is applied for at least 30 minutes. This large negative voltage is thought to lower each nucleus’ energy barrier. Thus alpha, beta, and gamma particles rapidly escape radioactive nuclei.

While these electrical devices may accelerate decay rates, a complete theoretical understanding of them does not yet exist, they are expensive, and they act only on small samples. However, the common belief that decay rates are constant in all conditions should now be discarded.

Creation Science

They have no answer.....they acknowledge that the decay rates would have had to have been sped up....yet they do not address the amount of heat and energy released and how that would have affected the planet.

That is a huge leap to state the constant decay rates should be discarded.
This is not science this is mostly suppostition and conjecture.
Decay Rates. Each radioisotope has a half-life—the time it would take for half of a large sample of that isotope to decay at today’s rate. Half-lives range from less than a billionth of a second to many millions of trillions of years.14 Most attempts to change decay rates have failed. For example, changing temperatures between -427°F and +4,500°F has produced no measurable change in decay rates. Nor have accelerations of up to 970,000 g, magnetic fields up to 45,000 gauss, or changing elevations or chemical concentrations.

However, it was learned as far back as 1971 that high pressure could increase decay rates very slightly for at least 14 isotopes.15 Under great pressure, electrons (especially from the innermost shell) are squeezed closer to the nucleus, making electron capture more likely. Also, electron capture rates for a few radioisotopes change in different chemical compounds.16

Beta decay rates can increase dramatically when atoms are stripped of all their electrons. In 1999, Germany’s Dr. Fritz Bosch showed that, for the rhenium atom, this “decreases its half-life more than a billionfold—from 42-billion years to 33 years.”17 The more electrons removed, the more rapidly neutrons expel electrons (beta decay) and become protons. This effect was previously unknown, because only electrically neutral atoms had been used in measuring half-lives.18

Decay rates for silicon-32 (32Si), chlorine-36 (36Cl), manganese-54 (54Mn), and radium-226 (226Ra) depend slightly on Earth’s distance from the Sun.19 They decay, respectively, by beta, alpha, and electron capture. Other radioisotopes seem to be similarly affected. This may be an electrical effect or a consequence of neutrinos20 flowing from the Sun.

Patents have been awarded to major corporations for electrical devices that claim to accelerate alpha, beta, and gamma decay and thereby decontaminate hazardous nuclear wastes. However, they have not been shown to work on a large scale. An interesting patent awarded to William A. Barker is described as follows:21

Radioactive material is placed in or on a Van de Graaff generator where an electric potential of 50,000 – 500,000 volts is applied for at least 30 minutes. This large negative voltage is thought to lower each nucleus’ energy barrier. Thus alpha, beta, and gamma particles rapidly escape radioactive nuclei.

While these electrical devices may accelerate decay rates, a complete theoretical understanding of them does not yet exist, they are expensive, and they act only on small samples. However, the common belief that decay rates are constant in all conditions should now be discarded.

We can think of a large sample of a radioisotope as a slowly-leaking balloon with a meter that measures the balloon’s total leakage since it was filled. Different radioisotopes have different leakage rates, or half-lives. (Stable isotopes do not leak; they are not radioactive.)

Some people may think that a balloon’s age can be determined by dividing the balloon’s total leakage by its leakage rate today. Here, we will address more basic issues: What “pumped up” all radioisotopes in the first place, and when did it happen? Did the pumping process rapidly produce considerable initial leakage—billions of years’ worth, based on today’s slow leakage rates?

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