The Mahdi is the Antichrist

[Jackson123]

Please study the book of Daniel closely. Here is the verse that tells you that THE ANTICHRIST is a man who opposes Christ:

And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand. (Dan 8:25)

1. he shall magnify himself in his heart = he will blaspheme God and present himself as God. See 2 Thessalonians.

2. he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes = he shall oppose Christ, who is King of kings and Lord of lords

3. The first and second epistles of John speak about antichrists within the churches -- those who deny and reject "the doctrine of Christ" -- that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. The Jehovah's Witnesses are good examples.

I believe Daniel and John talk about same antichrist.

Antichrist is not one,

but in the end time, one of them Will rule the world and declare himself as a God

 

[FollowHisSteps]

The anti-Christ as in the rebellious one will be obvious to us.
The problem we often have is in not recognising anti-christ ideas and sentiments in our everyday lives.

Behaviour does not matter, it is your intentions that count.
You have no right to judge sinful behaviour.
We can do what we want, you are not allowed to tell us its wrong or to make us feel bad.

Money is all that you need to be secure.

9 People who want to get rich fall into temptation and a trap and into many foolish and
harmful desires that plunge men into ruin and destruction.
10 For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have
wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs.
1 Tim 6

But the Lords people stand strong, for when Jesus touches you and you follow nothing can
separate you from His love and overcoming in the Kingdom.

 

[garee]

Dynamic DUO. Not duel.

I've addressed this previously. I'm beginning to think you don't read anything that I write in response to you, but only gloss over it and draft a quick response, learning nothing in the process.

I am learning much from you. I think I got it this time. DUO. Not duel.

 

[garee]

There are many antichrist since apostle John.

But I do not know If there was antichrist in the old testament.

Apostle John say antichrist come as a sign of end time.

1 John 2

18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

Base oN this verse I believe antichrist not come before last time

I believe last time is after crucifixtion to the second coming.

And antichrist exist in this time ( base oN that verse)

Then in the last 7 years before second coming, the antichrist Will rule the world.

Now and since apostle John they are exist but not in power yet.

He said they were there during the end times .Not that they began then, There was a explosion that revealed many because of the reformation.

Many minimize the explosion of the reformation .It was the time of Jacob's trouble exposing the antichrists .This is when Kings were no longer used as a shadow of Christ King of kings to come .

An antichrist is the spirit of error that works in the heart of those who know not the gospel as antichrists( plural.) A person who does not have both the Father and Son that worked together as a Dynamic duo.

The antichrist the spirit of lies that worked in Cain the first revealed of the many antichrists. He was used to murder his brother Abel sent by God with the gospel of peace , the first martyr .

The antichrist Satan is the god of this world he rules in the heart of antichrists, natural unconverted man .So its not so much he will rule but is and has from the first work Ye shall not surely die. .

The kingdoms or denominations of this world will become the kingdoms of God when the antichrist along with antichrists is destroyed in the lake of fire.

 

[cv5]

I thought anyone who doesnt believe in Jesus is an antichrist. Not just people who mistakenly think they are the Christ.

Hmm i would ask them...so you wanna save the world huh? How? Can you top what Jesus did? Who died and made you God?

More accurately stated as the "man of lawlessness" 2 Thess 2.

The only way that anyone could know who the antichrist/man of lawlessness is, will be the one who makes that seven year covenant with Israel. Prior to that, we have no way of knowing who he is. That event will be his revealing.

This event occurring post-Rapture.

 

[cv5]

did Islam leave the faith of Abraham? the oldest parts of Koran are all oral tradition passed down about Abraham. when Mohammed came, he changed everything, but even before that, their temple cube in Mecca was full of idols, just like the temple in Jerusalem had been - and they still treat the black stone in the corner of it like an idol, and pray towards it from all over the world. obviously they deny the Son today, so they deny the Father today - but long ago, when all it was was the things Ishmael passed down from Abraham, was it legitimate faith?

when all it was was the things Ishmael passed down from Abraham, was it legitimate faith?

Doubtful. Legitimate faith knows the Truth and endures.

 

[dcontroversal]

when all it was was the things Ishmael passed down from Abraham, was it legitimate faith?

Doubtful. Legitimate faith knows the Truth and endures.

God did bless Ishmael...............just saying

 

[cv5]

Dan 7:7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.
Dan 7:8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.

The Bible plainly states that the 10 horns come from the 4th beast, the Roman Empire, and the little horn, antichrist, comes from the 10 horns who come from the Roman Empire.

Dan 11:37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.
Dan 11:38 But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things.

Also the God that the antichrist honors is not a personal God, but he honors the God of forces, or the power of nature, evolution, as his higher power, which he believes people can still evolve to be greater, and spiritual.

There is no Allah with the antichrist, and the Bible says he will not regard any god, and will exalt himself above all that is called God, or is worshipped.

The Bible plainly states that the Roman Empire has the dominion until Jesus puts the world down, and the new age movement is the future for this world, which is a stepping stone to the antichrist.

The Roman Empire has their own thing going on, the European nations, America, Canada, and any other Caucasian established nation, and they have the vast amount of nuclear weapons, and modern day weapons.

And Allah is a false god so there is no power there to help Islam, so how are they going to take control with all the power of the Caucasian established nations that decided to come together as a power base, and they have their own plan going on to establish the new age movement to produce the antichrist, which the Bible plainly states that the antichrist will come from the Roman Empire.

Islam is not going to do anything, and the Pope is playing them, and deceiving them, for he wants all religions to come together, and nations to come together, and the religion of Islam, and the Arab nations are the most stubborn, so he is giving them special treatment, but the Pope cares nothing about fundamental Islam.

Also the antichrist believes in no personal God, and evolution, and wants to take down fundamental Islam, Christianity, and Judaism.

So the antichrist is against Islam.

So while people may point out that Islam seems to be getting power in places like Europe it is only because they are letting them for a reason that fits their agenda.

For how is Islam going to get any power in Europe unless they allow them to do that, for what will they do let them control the whole nation, for of course they would not do that.

Controlled conflict brings about controlled change, and it is all controlled by them, and allowing Islam to have whatever power they get to create a certain attitude of people towards them.

For they want to attack Islam in the future, so they want the world to fear them, hate them, think they are dangerous to the world, so the world one day will fight against them, and take down their power.

That is why they point out terrorist activities that they do, or supposedly they do, and America fighting against them, to show the world they cannot be trusted, even setting them up concerning some things.

And by allowing Islam to have some kind of control, and power in Europe as they say, it is so the Europeans will hate them, fear them, and look at them as pushing for power in their nation, and they are dangerous only caring about themselves.

That way they can create the necessary attitude among people of the world, and Europe, with the hopes that one day the world will fight against them, and take them down.

It is all a plan, and Islam is going to do anything, and have any power in Europe, unless they allow them to do so, but it is all for a reason so they can get people to hate them.

And they do not care for the world will soon come together as one to try to establish peace, so they are not looking at it as their nation only, for the new age movement is what they want, and for all nations to come together in which they know fundamental Islam will rebel against it eventually, and then they can take them down with the power of the world.

The nations will come together, but the people of the Arab nations will rebel for they will say it is an insult to Allah, and they are hindering them from spreading their religion.

The 10 horn kingdom is the world split in to 10 sections with a leader in each section, and 3 of those sections will cover the Arab nations, and the little horn, antichrist, will pluck up those 3 horns by the roots, which means they are devastated where there is no more power, or growth, and the 6th trumpet describes nuclear weapons as to why they are plucked up by the roots.

After the 6th trumpet the world then accepts the antichrist as the solution to have peace on earth, for the 10 horn kingdom failed at providing peace on earth.

Islam Smislam, for they are going down before the antichrist claims to be God, and the Pope is playing them, deceiving them, and so is Europe, and they care nothing about Islam, and want the world to take them down in the future for their beliefs are contrary to what they have going on for the world.

Also the 7 heads are Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, Roman Empire, 10 horn kingdom that comes from the Roman Empire that shall continue a short space, 3 and one half years, and the antihrist is the 8th king, which is of the 7 for the devil influenced those kingdoms, that shall continue for 3 and one half years.

The head with the deadly wound is the 10 horn kingdom, the 7th head, that failed at obtaining peace on earth, and one third of the world perished by the war between Islam and the world mainly in the Arab nations, and the world lost hope for there to be peace on earth, and was in despair.

But the beast spoke like no other man spoke understanding dark sentences, and claimed to be God by harnessing the power of nature, and obtaining power, evolved, and the false prophet does miracles in the sight of people to convince them the beast did receive power, and shared this power with the false prophet, and will share this power with all who follow him.

And the beast gave them hope, and a bright future, and the promise of peace on earth, and the deadly wound of the 7th head, kingdom that failed, was healed, and the world said, who is like unto the beast, and who can make war with him, believing he has the power to establish his kingdom, and no foe can stop him, for flesh cannot contend with a man that has the power of nature to go against them, and is invincible.

"but he honors the God of forces, or the power of nature, evolution, as his higher power"

https://biblehub.com/hebrew/mauzzim_4581.htm

https://biblehub.com/parallel/daniel/11-38.htm

I don't see "evolution" or "nature" worship inferred in any substantial way.....

 

[cv5]

God did bless Ishmael...............just saying

On the other hand he was cast out of the first family of the Covenant (by God Himself), disenfranchised of his primogeniture. Doubtless for perfectly legitimate reasons.

 

[cv5]

God did bless Ishmael...............just saying

I do agree that there is very strong reasoning behind the proposal that the man of lawlessness is of Islam.

 

[cv5]

On the other hand he was cast out of the first family of the Covenant (by God Himself), disenfranchised of his primogeniture. Doubtless for perfectly legitimate reasons.

Perhaps God Himself in a more passive persuasion...…?

Gen 21

But God said to Abraham, “Be not displeased because of the boy and because of your slave woman. Whatever Sarah says to you, do as she tells you, for through Isaac shall your offspring be named. And I will make a nation of the son of the slave woman also, because he is your offspring.” So Abraham rose early in the morning and took bread and a skin of water and gave it to Hagar, putting it on her shoulder, along with the child, and sent her away. And she departed and wandered in the wilderness of Beersheba.

 

[garee]

I do agree that there is very strong reasoning behind the proposal that the man of lawlessness is of Islam.

I think making the many antichrists one as Islam is missing the point. The man of lawlessness is any man that does not abide in the perfect law, that is under the influence of the lawless one the antichrist singular Satan . Catholisicim, is another that does despite to the grace of God. Making it without effect. . . another gospel, another Christ, as a mediator . Damnable or judgable heresies (no gospel)

 

[Deade]

I believe Daniel and John talk about same antichrist.

Antichrist is not one,

but in the end time, one of them Will rule the world and declare himself as a God

I agree, and by definition must claim to represent Christ. Therefore is will be a counterfeit Christianity, as in the Catholic Church. Scripture says antichrist will cause fire to come down on earth. I believe antichrist is the same as the second beast.

Rev. 13:11-18 "And I saw another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like unto a lamb, and he spake as a dragon. And he exerciseth all the authority of the first beast in his sight. And he maketh the earth and them that dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose death-stroke was healed.

And he [Beast 2] doeth great signs, that he should even make fire to come down out of heaven upon the earth in the sight of men. And he [Beast 2] deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by reason of the signs which it was given him to do in the sight of the [Beast 1] beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast [Beast 1], who hath the stroke of the sword, and lived.

And it was given unto him [Beast 2] to give breath to it, even to the image of the beast [Beast 1], that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as should not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

And he [Beast 2] causeth all, the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the free and the bond, that there be given them a mark on their right hand, or upon their forehead; and that no man should be able to buy or to sell, save he that hath the mark, even the name of the beast [Beast 2] or the number of his name.

Here is wisdom. He that hath understanding, let him count the number of the beast [Beast 2]; for it is the number of a man: and his number is Six hundred and sixty and six."

So, you see the last two references could well be the name and number of Antichrist assigned to Beast 2.

 

[Jackson123]

He said they were there during the end times .Not that they began then, There was a explosion that revealed many because of the reformation.

Many minimize the explosion of the reformation .It was the time of Jacob's trouble exposing the antichrists .This is when Kings were no longer used as a shadow of Christ King of kings to come .

An antichrist is the spirit of error that works in the heart of those who know not the gospel as antichrists( plural.) A person who does not have both the Father and Son that worked together as a Dynamic duo.

The antichrist the spirit of lies that worked in Cain the first revealed of the many antichrists. He was used to murder his brother Abel sent by God with the gospel of peace , the first martyr .

The antichrist Satan is the god of this world he rules in the heart of antichrists, natural unconverted man .So its not so much he will rule but is and has from the first work Ye shall not surely die. .

The kingdoms or denominations of this world will become the kingdoms of God when the antichrist along with antichrists is destroyed in the lake of fire.

1 john2

18 Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming,even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour. 19 They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to us.



John say this is last hour

Than he Said : and as you have heard that the AC is coming

Below I give you a copy grammar

John not say was coming

John say is coming, mean start now and continous .

The present continuous verb tense indicates that an action or condition is happening now, frequently, and may continue into the future.

Do not confious with past continous

The past continuous describes actions or events in a time before now, which began in the past and is still going on at the time of speaking. In other words, it expresses an unfinished or incomplete action in the past.
It is used:

• Often, to describe the background in a story written in the past tense, e.g. "The sun was shining and the birds were singing as the elephant came out of the jungle. The other animals were relaxing in the shade of the trees, but the elephant moved very quickly. She was looking for her baby, and she didn't notice the hunter who was watching her through his binoculars. When the shot rang out, she was running towards the river..."

 

[Jackson123]

I agree, and by definition must claim to represent Christ. Therefore is will be a counterfeit Christianity, as in the Catholic Church. Scripture says antichrist will cause fire to come down on earth. I believe antichrist is the same as the second beast.

Rev. 13:11-18 "And I saw another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like unto a lamb, and he spake as a dragon. And he exerciseth all the authority of the first beast in his sight. And he maketh the earth and them that dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose death-stroke was healed.

And he [Beast 2] doeth great signs, that he should even make fire to come down out of heaven upon the earth in the sight of men. And he [Beast 2] deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by reason of the signs which it was given him to do in the sight of the [Beast 1] beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast [Beast 1], who hath the stroke of the sword, and lived.

And it was given unto him [Beast 2] to give breath to it, even to the image of the beast [Beast 1], that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as should not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

And he [Beast 2] causeth all, the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the free and the bond, that there be given them a mark on their right hand, or upon their forehead; and that no man should be able to buy or to sell, save he that hath the mark, even the name of the beast [Beast 2] or the number of his name.

Here is wisdom. He that hath understanding, let him count the number of the beast [Beast 2]; for it is the number of a man: and his number is Six hundred and sixty and six."

So, you see the last two references could well be the name and number of Antichrist assigned to Beast 2.

Yep, some pope claim himself God

 

[Ahwatukee]

More accurately stated as the "man of lawlessness" 2 Thess 2.

This event occurring post-Rapture.

Correct cv5, post-gathering! The church will not be on the earth when that first seal is opened which is representing the antichrist.

 

[garee]

1 john2

18 Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming,even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour. 19 They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to us.



John say this is last hour

Than he Said : and as you have heard that the AC is coming

Below I give you a copy grammar

John not say was coming

John say is coming, mean start now and continous .

The present continuous verb tense indicates that an action or condition is happening now, frequently, and may continue into the future.

Do not confious with past continous

The past continuous describes actions or events in a time before now, which began in the past and is still going on at the time of speaking. In other words, it expresses an unfinished or incomplete action in the past.
It is used:

• Often, to describe the background in a story written in the past tense, e.g. "The sun was shining and the birds were singing as the elephant came out of the jungle. The other animals were relaxing in the shade of the trees, but the elephant moved very quickly. She was looking for her baby, and she didn't notice the hunter who was watching her through his binoculars. When the shot rang out, she was running towards the river..."

Again a person would first have to define what a antichrist is and how it relates to antichrists plural. Peter in Mathew 16 is shown used as one. Peter our example of one that denies Christ in unbelief was forgiven of his blasphemy against the Son of man, Jesus.

Today that would not be forgiven..

This is how we know it is the last hour. even now many antichrists have (past tense) come. Not "will come" (future tense) We walk by faith as they did.

A continuance from the garden when corruption came. Cain the first of many antichrists moved by Satan the spirt of the antichrist (singular) the god of this world, murdered Abel the martyr a witness to the faith of Christ working in him like with Peter in Mathew 16 to try and make the gospel without effect. Blasphemy breaking the first commandment. No other gods in the likeness of men before God who is not a man as us. he must increase we must decrease.

The reformation came, beginning the last days and the disciples John 6 that were hoping the flesh of Christ would profit to confirm something walked away in unbelief, no faith in God not seen. This is when Jesus said the Spirit quickens the soul as a unseen work. . . . His flesh profits for Zero.

They went out from us because they were not of the right manner of spirit but were rather walking after the temporal flesh as that seen as antichrists. Those who have not both the Father and the Son.(no salvation) The generation of natural unconverted mankind.

 

[Dino246]

On the other hand he was cast out of the first family of the Covenant (by God Himself), disenfranchised of his primogeniture. Doubtless for perfectly legitimate reasons.

As God did not reckon Ishmael as as Abraham's son, he wasn't "disenfranchised of his primogeniture" at all. Abram and Sarai were married; Hagar was not Abram's wife. When God spoke to Abraham regarding the sacrifice of Isaac, He said, "Take your son, your only son...."

 

[cv5]

As God did not reckon Ishmael as as Abraham's son, he wasn't "disenfranchised of his primogeniture" at all. Abram and Sarai were married; Hagar was not Abram's wife. When God spoke to Abraham regarding the sacrifice of Isaac, He said, "Take your son, your only son...."

No argument from me. I was thinking from the perspective of Ismael and Hagar. No doubt their lofty hopes were dashed.

 

[Dino246]

Again a person would first have to define what a antichrist is and how it relates to antichrists plural. Peter in Mathew 16 is shown used as one. Peter our example of one that denies Christ in unbelief was forgiven of his blasphemy against the Son of man, Jesus.

Today that would not be forgiven..

Where do you get that idea? Scripture states that those who speak against the Son of Man will be forgiven; it is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit that will not be forgiven. Check Luke 12:10 for confirmation.