The Mahdi is the Antichrist

[Jackson123]

1 John 2

18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.


I do not think the antichrist from muslim.

Verse 18 say even now are there many antichrist

It is mean antichrist start exist in John time, It was first century.

Muslim born at
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Despite concerns about the reliability of early sources, most historians believe that Islam originated in Mecca and Medina at the start of the 7th century, approximately 600 years after the founding of Christianity.

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So John do not point out to muslim.

Verse 19 basically say they went out from us but not one of us

So antichrist is pretending christian, or act like Christian islam not pretending christian at all.

More like catholic

 

[Ahwatukee]

This is an interesting link which goes into great detail into who the man of lawlessness might be. For those interested in our eschatology, it might be of help to you. I would encourage everyone to watch it.

The only way that anyone could know who the antichrist/man of lawlessness is, will be the one who makes that seven year covenant with Israel. Prior to that, we have no way of knowing who he is. That event will be his revealing.

 

[Ahwatukee]

I thought anyone who doesnt believe in Jesus is an antichrist. Not just people who mistakenly think they are the Christ.

Hmm i would ask them...so you wanna save the world huh? How? Can you top what Jesus did? Who died and made you God?

The scripture says the following:

"Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour."

So, John identifies those who left their church as not belonging to them and therefore types of antichrist's. However, there is going to be a literal person referred to in Daniel as "the little horn" and as "the beast," as well as the "man of lawlessness in 2 Thess. and as the beast in Revelation. That the beast will be an individual is easy to deduce, because it states that [both] the beast and the false prophet will be captured and will be thrown [alive] into the lake of fire. The number of his name is also said to be "the number of a man."

 

[Jackson123]

The scripture says the following:

"Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour."

So, John identifies those who left their church as not belonging to them and therefore types of antichrist's. However, there is going to be a literal person referred to in Daniel as "the little horn" and as "the beast," as well as the "man of lawlessness in 2 Thess. and as the beast in Revelation. That the beast will be an individual is easy to deduce, because it states that [both] the beast and the false prophet will be captured and will be thrown [alive] into the lake of fire. The number of his name is also said to be "the number of a man."

You say antichrist Left their church, mean It was in the church.

Islam never in the church.

 

[posthuman]

You say antichrist Left their church, mean It was in the church.

Islam never in the church.

did Islam leave the faith of Abraham? the oldest parts of Koran are all oral tradition passed down about Abraham. when Mohammed came, he changed everything, but even before that, their temple cube in Mecca was full of idols, just like the temple in Jerusalem had been - and they still treat the black stone in the corner of it like an idol, and pray towards it from all over the world. obviously they deny the Son today, so they deny the Father today - but long ago, when all it was was the things Ishmael passed down from Abraham, was it legitimate faith?

 

[Ahwatukee]

You say antichrist Left their church, mean It was in the church.

Islam never in the church.

No, I'm not saying that the antichrist left their church. The scripture says that because there were people there in the church who did not remain with the other believers that they had the spirit of antichrists, i.e. types of antichrists. Below is the scripture:

"Dear children, the last hour is here. You have heard that the Antichrist is coming, and already many such antichrists have appeared. From this we know that the last hour has come. These people left our churches, but they never really belonged with us; otherwise they would have stayed with us. When they left, it proved that they did not belong with us.

"the Antichrist" is in the singular, speaking of the one individual who is come. And the "many such antichrists" are those who have the same type of spirit and characteristics as the Antichrist who is coming.

"Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist--denying the Father and the Son."

There will be a man who is coming who will be "the Antichrist" whom the whole world will worship in the very last days. And there are people who are types of antichrists, not believing that Jesus is the Christ.

I hope this makes sense for you

 

[Jackson123]

did Islam leave the faith of Abraham? the oldest parts of Koran are all oral tradition passed down about Abraham. when Mohammed came, he changed everything, but even before that, their temple cube in Mecca was full of idols, just like the temple in Jerusalem had been - and they still treat the black stone in the corner of it like an idol, and pray towards it from all over the world. obviously they deny the Son today, so they deny the Father today - but long ago, when all it was was the things Ishmael passed down from Abraham, was it legitimate faith?

I do not know If islam ever have a faith of Abraham.

 

[Jackson123]

No, I'm not saying that the antichrist left their church. The scripture says that because there were people there in the church who did not remain with the other believers that they had the spirit of antichrists, i.e. types of antichrists. Below is the scripture:

"Dear children, the last hour is here. You have heard that the Antichrist is coming, and already many such antichrists have appeared. From this we know that the last hour has come. These people left our churches, but they never really belonged with us; otherwise they would have stayed with us. When they left, it proved that they did not belong with us.

"the Antichrist" is in the singular, speaking of the one individual who is come. And the "many such antichrists" are those who have the same type of spirit and characteristics as the Antichrist who is coming.

"Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist--denying the Father and the Son."

There will be a man who is coming who will be "the Antichrist" whom the whole world will worship in the very last days. And there are people who are types of antichrists, not believing that Jesus is the Christ.

I hope this makes sense for you

Yep, bible say that antichrist left the church or real faith of Jesus. So not islam, islam never in the church, so we can not say islam left the church. Only If one was in the church we can say one left the church

 

[Ahwatukee]

Yep, bible say that antichrist left the church or real faith of Jesus. So not islam, islam never in the church, so we can not say islam left the church. Only If one was in the church we can say one left the church

Hello Jackson,

The scriptures do not say that the antichrist left the church. What it does say is that, those who began with them as believers, did not stay with them. They obviously did not truly believe that Jesus was the Messiah, which is why John says that they were types of antichrist's.

Also, I never said anything about Islam being in the church. That must have been someone else.

 

[Jackson123]

Hello Jackson,

The scriptures do not say that the antichrist left the church. What it does say is that, those who began with them as believers, did not stay with them. They obviously did not truly believe that Jesus was the Messiah, which is why John says that they were types of antichrist's.

Also, I never said anything about Islam being in the church. That must have been someone else.

Yep I agree, the antichrist may still in the church, but the teaching is not inline with the binle anymore.

He may say believe in Jesus with his mouth but in his heart is not, and in the end he Will claim himself as God oN earth




* “The Pope and God are the same, so he has all power in Heaven and earth.” Pope Pius V, quoted in Barclay, Chapter XXVII, p. 218, “Cities Pet

 

[Nehemiah6]

Yep, bible say that antichrist left the church or real faith of Jesus.

There is a difference between antichrists (within churches) and "THE ANTICHRIST".

The Antichrist will be a renegade Jew but he will blaspheme the God of his ancestors. He will be the Arch Blasphemer of God, and have no connection to Christianity. He cannot be a Muslim, since he must also be able to enter the future temple at Jerusalem, and only Jews may enter. But he may even fool the Muslims into believing that he is their Mahdi. Or he may present the False Prophet as their Mahdi. According to Muslim beliefs the Mahdi and Christ will be on earth at the same time.

Muslims revere Jesus (whom they call Isa) as the Masih or Messiah. In Islamic eschatology, the Mahdi will arrive at the same time that Isa returns. Isa will descend to Earth in Syria, east of Damascus, dressed in yellow robes, and will assist the Mahdi, who will rule over the world for seven years (or, in some Islamic traditions, nine or 19 years). At the end of the Mahdi's rule, there will be a Day of Judgment for the entire human race.

https://www.charismanews.com/opinion/45627-the-antichrist-and-the-muslim-mahdi-part-2

 

[Jackson123]

There is a difference between antichrists (within churches) and "THE ANTICHRIST".

The Antichrist will be a renegade Jew but he will blaspheme the God of his ancestors. He will be the Arch Blasphemer of God, and have no connection to Christianity. He cannot be a Muslim, since he must also be able to enter the future temple at Jerusalem, and only Jews may enter. But he may even fool the Muslims into believing that he is their Mahdi. Or he may present the False Prophet as their Mahdi. According to Muslim beliefs the Mahdi and Christ will be on earth at the same time.

Muslims revere Jesus (whom they call Isa) as the Masih or Messiah. In Islamic eschatology, the Mahdi will arrive at the same time that Isa returns. Isa will descend to Earth in Syria, east of Damascus, dressed in yellow robes, and will assist the Mahdi, who will rule over the world for seven years (or, in some Islamic traditions, nine or 19 years). At the end of the Mahdi's rule, there will be a Day of Judgment for the entire human race.

https://www.charismanews.com/opinion/45627-the-antichrist-and-the-muslim-mahdi-part-2

Can you supply a verse that there are 2 kind of antichrist?

 

[Jackson123]

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'Antichrist' is translated from the combination of two ancient Greek words αντί + Χριστός (anti + Christos). In Greek, Χριστός means "anointed one" and the word Christ derives from it.[6]"Αντί" means not only anti in the sense of "against" and "opposite of", but also "in place of".[7][8] Therefore, an antichrist opposes Christ by substituting himself for Christ.

So antichrist can mean in place of Christ.

The Gloss of Extravagantes of Pope John XXII says this:
But to believe that our Lord God the Pope the establisher of said decretal, and of this, could not decree, as he did decree, should be accounted heretical (emphasis added).v

 

[garee]

1 John 2

18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.


I do not think the antichrist from muslim.

Verse 18 say even now are there many antichrist

It is mean antichrist start exist in John time, It was first century.

Muslim born at
Quote
Despite concerns about the reliability of early sources, most historians believe that Islam originated in Mecca and Medina at the start of the 7th century, approximately 600 years after the founding of Christianity.

End quote

So John do not point out to muslim.

Verse 19 basically say they went out from us but not one of us

So antichrist is pretending christian, or act like Christian islam not pretending christian at all.

More like catholic

A antichrist is any person that insists a man seen must teach us as a infallible interpreter as a umpire set between man seen and God not seen . Also called a daysman in the Old testament. The spirit of the antichrist was in the garden . He said; Ye shall not surely die.

The first recorded antichrist of the antichrists many (in numerable) was Cain. he killed.his brother Abel the first recorded martyr.

A good example of one working at the time of the Son of man, Jesus, was Peter in Mathew 16. The spirit of the antichrist (Satan) worked in Peter to forbid the lord of performing the gospel work ..Just as Satan worked in Cain the first recorded antichrist to carry out his murderous plan A antichrist is simply one who has not the father and Son both. They come as a team or dynamic duel .

The antichrist as a unseen spirit would have natural unconverted men believe (antichrists) he has not been revealed as the man of sin as some sort of unfulfilled wonder.

 

[garee]

There is a difference between antichrists (within churches) and "THE ANTICHRIST".

The Antichrist will be a renegade Jew but he will blaspheme the God of his ancestors. He will be the Arch Blasphemer of God, and have no connection to Christianity. He cannot be a Muslim, since he must also be able to enter the future temple at Jerusalem, and only Jews may enter. But he may even fool the Muslims into believing that he is their Mahdi. Or he may present the False Prophet as their Mahdi. According to Muslim beliefs the Mahdi and Christ will be on earth at the same time.

Muslims revere Jesus (whom they call Isa) as the Masih or Messiah. In Islamic eschatology, the Mahdi will arrive at the same time that Isa returns. Isa will descend to Earth in Syria, east of Damascus, dressed in yellow robes, and will assist the Mahdi, who will rule over the world for seven years (or, in some Islamic traditions, nine or 19 years). At the end of the Mahdi's rule, there will be a Day of Judgment for the entire human race.

https://www.charismanews.com/opinion/45627-the-antichrist-and-the-muslim-mahdi-part-2

Both forms are used. Antichrist (singular) and antichrists (plural.) A distinction must be made when studying.

The Antichrist (Satan) would have men beleive the singular and plural all as one. . . in order to bring confusion and falsely put men on the look out for the "man of sin" (walking by sight) . Men who could be the man in the mirror. There is no most wanted poster that could identify the "man of sin" . They are the men, Satan works in to appose the truth of God. When asked the name .The spirit of lies said legion for we are many. Catholisicim boast of 3500 and rising workers with familiar spirits as gods that they must call patron saints. New one are picking speed as goods increase.

Antichrist (singular) represents the spirit behind the deception (Satan). Antichrists (plural) are those that he works his in lies in .It has nothing to do with flesh and blood against flesh and blood. Peter was forgiven of His blasphemy when used as a example of one of the many antichrists who were there at the time of the Son of Man, Jesus .

 

[Dino246]

They come as a team or dynamic duel .

Dynamic DUO. Not duel.

I've addressed this previously. I'm beginning to think you don't read anything that I write in response to you, but only gloss over it and draft a quick response, learning nothing in the process.

 

[Jackson123]

A antichrist is any person that insists a man seen must teach us as a infallible interpreter as a umpire set between man seen and God not seen . Also called a daysman in the Old testament. The spirit of the antichrist was in the garden . He said; Ye shall not surely die.

The first recorded antichrist of the antichrists many (in numerable) was Cain. he killed.his brother Abel the first recorded martyr.

A good example of one working at the time of the Son of man, Jesus, was Peter in Mathew 16. The spirit of the antichrist (Satan) worked in Peter to forbid the lord of performing the gospel work ..Just as Satan worked in Cain the first recorded antichrist to carry out his murderous plan A antichrist is simply one who has not the father and Son both. They come as a team or dynamic duel .

The antichrist as a unseen spirit would have natural unconverted men believe (antichrists) he has not been revealed as the man of sin as some sort of unfulfilled wonder.

There are many antichrist since apostle John.

But I do not know If there was antichrist in the old testament.

Apostle John say antichrist come as a sign of end time.

1 John 2

18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

Base oN this verse I believe antichrist not come before last time

I believe last time is after crucifixtion to the second coming.

And antichrist exist in this time ( base oN that verse)

Then in the last 7 years before second coming, the antichrist Will rule the world.

Now and since apostle John they are exist but not in power yet.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Can you supply a verse that there are 2 kind of antichrist?

Please study the book of Daniel closely. Here is the verse that tells you that THE ANTICHRIST is a man who opposes Christ:

And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand. (Dan 8:25)

1. he shall magnify himself in his heart = he will blaspheme God and present himself as God. See 2 Thessalonians.

2. he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes = he shall oppose Christ, who is King of kings and Lord of lords

3. The first and second epistles of John speak about antichrists within the churches -- those who deny and reject "the doctrine of Christ" -- that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. The Jehovah's Witnesses are good examples.

 

[pottersclay]

The so called anti-christ that you all are speaking of will be Jewish. In fact Jews and Muslim will embrace on common theology
Along with the Catholic Church and those who believe in the universal church.
This event is what starts the false peace to take place.
The Jews will also raise a sword against the gentiles. The beheading will be one of the common theological agreements
It is called the noahidic command which is taught by rabbis in Israel today.
They have also approached the United States with there teaching of this new world religion and 4 of our presidents including Trump signed an agreement to honor this new found teaching which endorsed world peace.
They are commandments on how to live peacefully under a one world religion.
Obama, Trump, Bush senior and son all have honored this new wave theology on the behalf of the Jews that live in the U.S.
Wanting to establish better relationship with Israel and our Jewish communities.
It is a anti-christian movement but is presented differently to the powers that be.
In Israel it is taught along the same lines as Islam that if you refuse to honor and covert ....off with your head.
It is a movement which is growing rapidly.

 

[pottersclay]

Anti-christ has two meanings........against Christ....or .... instead of Christ.