Noahide Laws and the anti-christ

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eternally-gratefull

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I did not forget anything the word taken means....Taken-->Cause to be, to become, come into being, be assembled, brought to pass, arise there is nothing in the text that indicates out of the way.....that is the King Jimmy embellishment

The context is his advent....not what is restraining.....what i have learned is that Satan has attempted this numerous times and due to failure of said attempts he will hold that power until the one that will be arise and or comes on the scene.....

Anyway....my view......time will tell hey HAHA
Yes you did bro

You left the words ek esos “out from the middle”

I agree, Taken is the correct interpretation of the word. But leaving “out of the middle) out of the interpretation leaves it missaplied.
 
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I have said this numerous times........two phrases stand out and to me indicate he comes fro Ishmael's line and is not Jewish, but tied to Abraham

A god his fathers knew not
No respect unto the GOD of his Fathers

Who can fit this bill and be tied unto Abraham.........one from the line of Ishmael

A god his fathers knew not <---Abraham and Ishmael did not know Allah <--who the decendents of Ishmael worship and push this day
No respect unto the GOD of his Fathers <---Abraham and Ishmael knew the one true GOD and GOD even blessed Ishmael
And I have shown numerous time He is the future roman emperor. He is the final roman ruler who will being to completion the time age of the gentiles. He is the feet of iron and clay. The fourth beast of Dan 7, The little horn, who comes out of rome

I can not fathom a jewish or islamic leader taking over rome. Nor does it make any sense.
 
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I have started a thread on the 4 gentile kingdoms according to daniel and john, It is still awaiting approval. Hopefully that will answer many questions of where I am coming from
 
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John in his revelation is using prophetic judgement language in the same way that Isaiah used in God's judgement of Edom to describe the downfall of the Jewish state in the 1st century:

(Rev 6:14 The sky was split apart like a scroll when it is rolled up, and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. )

(Isa 34:4 And all the host of heaven will wear away, And the sky will be rolled up like a scroll; all their hosts will also wither away
as a leaf withers from the vine, or as one withers from the fig tree
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(Isa 34:5 For My sword is satiated in heaven, behold it shall descend for judgment upon Edom and upon the people whom I have devoted to destruction. )


John Own commentary:

'It is evident, then, that in the prophetical idiom and manner of speech, by heavens and earth, the civil and religious state and combination of men in the world, and the men of them, were often understood.
 
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Why is it that people think they can pull a verse out of context. And make it appear they have revelation. When they KNOW all one has to do is go back and look. And they are easily shown to be in error?
Is 34 Come near, you nations, to hear;
And heed, you people!
Let the earth hear, and all that is in it,
The world and all things that come forth from it.
2 For the indignation of the Lord is against all nations,
And His fury against all their armies;
He has utterly destroyed them,

He has given them over to the slaughter.
3 Also their slain shall be thrown out;
Their stench shall rise from their corpses,
And the mountains shall be melted with their blood.

4 All the host of heaven shall be dissolved,
And the heavens shall be rolled up like a scroll;
All their host shall fall down
As the leaf falls from the vine,
And as fruit falling from a fig tree.

This is not a prophesy concerning Israel. This is a prophesy concerning Gods JUDGMENT on NATIONS.


Rev 6 just happens to be the BEGINNING of this judgment on all NATIONS (not Israel)
 

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This is the first time in all my life I have heard this thinking, I will have to give it more study

It still makes no sense UNlESS this jew is also the leader of the final gentile beast “the little horn” which we know to be Rome.

They would have to be one and the same for this to be true
The Roman empire continued for a thousand yrs after the Western half imploded and was run over by the barbarians. The Eastern leg was the Byzantine empire. And SYRIA was a part of the Roman empire. So why can't the anti christ be Syrian?

Micah 5:5-15 New King James Version (NKJV)
5 And this One shall be peace.
Judgment on Israel’s Enemies
When the Assyrian comes into our land,
And when he treads in our palaces,
Then we will raise against him
Seven shepherds and eight princely men.
6 They shall [a]waste with the sword the land of Assyria,
And the land of Nimrod at its entrances;
Thus He shall deliver us from the Assyrian,
When he comes into our land
And when he treads within our borders.
7 Then the remnant of Jacob
Shall be in the midst of many peoples,
Like dew from the Lord,
Like showers on the grass,
That [b]tarry for no man
Nor [c]wait for the sons of men.
8 And the remnant of Jacob
Shall be among the Gentiles,
In the midst of many peoples,
Like a lion among the beasts of the forest,
Like a young lion among flocks of sheep,
Who, if he passes through,
Both treads down and tears in pieces,
And none can deliver.
9 Your hand shall be lifted against your adversaries,
And all your enemies shall be [d]cut off.
10 “And it shall be in that day,” says the Lord,
“That I will cut[e] off your horses from your midst
And destroy your chariots.
11 I will cut off the cities of your land
And throw down all your strongholds.
12 I will cut off sorceries from your hand,
And you shall have no soothsayers.
13 Your carved images I will also cut off,
And your sacred pillars from your midst;
You shall no more worship the work of your hands;
14 I will pluck your [f]wooden images from your midst;
Thus I will destroy your cities.
15 And I will execute vengeance in anger and fury
On the nations that have not [g]heard.”
 
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The Roman empire continued for a thousand yrs after the Western half imploded and was run over by the barbarians. The Eastern leg was the Byzantine empire. And SYRIA was a part of the Roman empire. So why can't the anti christ be Syrian?

Micah 5:5-15 New King James Version (NKJV)
5 And this One shall be peace.
Judgment on Israel’s Enemies
When the Assyrian comes into our land,
And when he treads in our palaces,
Then we will raise against him
Seven shepherds and eight princely men.
6 They shall [a]waste with the sword the land of Assyria,
And the land of Nimrod at its entrances;
Thus He shall deliver us from the Assyrian,
When he comes into our land
And when he treads within our borders.
7 Then the remnant of Jacob
Shall be in the midst of many peoples,
Like dew from the Lord,
Like showers on the grass,
That [b]tarry for no man
Nor [c]wait for the sons of men.
8 And the remnant of Jacob
Shall be among the Gentiles,
In the midst of many peoples,
Like a lion among the beasts of the forest,
Like a young lion among flocks of sheep,
Who, if he passes through,
Both treads down and tears in pieces,
And none can deliver.
9 Your hand shall be lifted against your adversaries,
And all your enemies shall be [d]cut off.
10 “And it shall be in that day,” says the Lord,
“That I will cut[e] off your horses from your midst
And destroy your chariots.
11 I will cut off the cities of your land
And throw down all your strongholds.
12 I will cut off sorceries from your hand,
And you shall have no soothsayers.
13 Your carved images I will also cut off,
And your sacred pillars from your midst;
You shall no more worship the work of your hands;
14 I will pluck your [f]wooden images from your midst;
Thus I will destroy your cities.
15 And I will execute vengeance in anger and fury
On the nations that have not [g]heard.”

Here is one reason I can think of

Taken from my new thread which is still waiting approval

Concerning the 4th beast of daniel

1. huge and powerfull with iron teeth. - rome, again the iron kingdom. Again, the most powerful, Rome actually held more land than any kingdom previous and any since, It also had the longest reign of any of the previous kingdoms on earth (including back to Egyption kingdom)

2. then we are told out of this beast 10 horns will arise, which are ten kingdoms, out of which grows one horn which destroys three horns. he is given a mouth, and speaks pompous words. Had teeth of Iron and Nails of bronze (in chapter two it was iron and clay mixed)

I doubt a syrian ruling from Syria would be considered a Caesar of rome.. Now if he is in rome, and gains power there, then yes.. I can see that
 
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Kinda the point of the thread. The Pope is getting MIGHTY buddy buddy with the Orthodox Jews, AND the Muslims.
I do not believe the pope is the world leader who comes out of rome, The Pope I believe is babylon, who will be destroyed by the little horn himself.

At the very least. The pope MAY be the false prophet. Who gives the beast power
 
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Here is one reason I can think of

Taken from my new thread which is still waiting approval

Concerning the 4th beast of daniel

1. huge and powerfull with iron teeth. - rome, again the iron kingdom. Again, the most powerful, Rome actually held more land than any kingdom previous and any since, It also had the longest reign of any of the previous kingdoms on earth (including back to Egyption kingdom)

2. then we are told out of this beast 10 horns will arise, which are ten kingdoms, out of which grows one horn which destroys three horns. he is given a mouth, and speaks pompous words. Had teeth of Iron and Nails of bronze (in chapter two it was iron and clay mixed)

I doubt a syrian ruling from Syria would be considered a Caesar of rome.. Now if he is in rome, and gains power there, then yes.. I can see that
I will say

I could see a “roman syrian” having a better change to become president than I could see a “roman Jew”
 
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Why is it that people think they can pull a verse out of context. And make it appear they have revelation. When they KNOW all one has to do is go back and look. And they are easily shown to be in error?

You haven't shown any error. The fact that this prophecy of Isaiah 34 is long past and uses prophetic language "rolled up as a scroll" in the same way John does in revelation establishes my point that the language is not to be read literally.

This is not a prophesy concerning Israel. This is a prophesy concerning Gods JUDGMENT on NATIONS.
I said the prophecy in Isaiah was principally against Edom.

Rev 6 just happens to be the BEGINNING of this judgment on all NATIONS (not Israel)
The whole context of Revelation is the judgement of the whore of Babylon (apostate Jewry/Israel) and the great city Jerusalem of the 1st century upon whom the blood of the prophets came:

(Rev 16:6 for they poured out the blood of saints and prophets, and You have given them blood to drink. They deserve it.” )

(Mat 23:35 so that upon you may fall the guilt of all the righteous blood shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah, the son of Berechiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar. )

(Mat 23:36 “Truly I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation. )
 
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eternally-gratefull

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You haven't shown any error. The fact that this prophecy of Isaiah 34 is long past and uses prophetic language "rolled up as a scroll" in the same way John does in revelation establishes my point that the language is not to be read literally.



I said the prophecy in Isaiah was principally against Edom.



The whole context of Revelation is the judgement of the whore of Babylon (apostate Jewry/Israel) and the great city Jerusalem of the 1st century upon whom the blood of the prophets came:

(Rev 16:6 for they poured out the blood of saints and prophets, and You have given them blood to drink. They deserve it.” )

(Mat 23:35 so that upon you may fall the guilt of all the righteous blood shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah, the son of Berechiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar. )

(Mat 23:36 “Truly I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation. )
Yes I did. Because that is what the prophet said,

He said all nations

Amazing you think “ALL NATIONS” means Isreal

Yet you can not comprehend that generation does NOT ALWAYS mean an acual generation of people.

These are his words.

For the indignation of the Lord is against all nations,
And His fury against all their armies;
He has utterly destroyed them,

He has given them over to the slaughter.
3 Also their slain shall be thrown out;
Their stench shall rise from their corpses,
And the mountains shall be melted with their blood.



Your argument is with scripture not me/
 
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Yes I did. Because that is what the prophet said,

He said all nations

Amazing you think “ALL NATIONS” means Isreal

I didn't say that Isaiah was speaking of Israel.

ALL nations would be the relevant nations of the prophecy not every nation in existence at the time.


Yet you can not comprehend that generation does NOT ALWAYS mean an acual generation of people.
Show me were it does not mean an actual generation.

Your argument is with scripture not me/
My argument is with your dispensational interpretation of scripture.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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I didn't say that Isaiah was speaking of Israel.

ALL nations would be the relevant nations of the prophecy not every nation in existence at the time.
All nations means all nations. Look at revelation. All nations are destroyed. in fact, so many dead are left that birds feed for a year


Show me were it does not mean an actual generation.
All one has to do is prove that not every event has taken place (which has been done over and over)

If they have not, Then you MUST adjust your interpretation of generation



My argument is with your dispensational interpretation of scripture.
Keep thinking this if it makes you feel better

Your argument is with the word of God.
 

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There's a beast in Revelation 17:8 that was at the time Revelation 17:8 was written(I think ad95.lol),,, "in the pit". It was(existed before 17:8 was written),,was not(was not a kingdom at the time 17:8 was written/in the pit) and was to ascend out of the pit in the future per the angel. The ten horns had not received an kingdom yet(Rev. 17:12) so they rise after the 7th head,,,and then the eighth https://biblehub.com/greek/3590.htm ,, is "of the seven" so it's being counted among the seven as if it's being added to the seven headed beast in prophecy(it rises after the seven heads and the little horn and the ten kings do).

In Revelation 13:11 onward another beast is set back up(received a deadly wound/is in the pit Rev.17:8),,,the earth says "let us make an image of the beast that received the deadly wound(Rev.13:12) it's not the seventh head that your looking for it's the eighth that is added to the seven.
 
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Look at rev 6

What you see is events happening all over the earth Not just in Palestine or jerusalem. THEY DID Not occurs in or near 70 AD


Rev 6 and Is are actually speaking of the same events. Not different ones
 
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There's a beast in Revelation 17:8 that was at the time Revelation 17:8 was written(I think ad95.lol),,, "in the pit". It was(existed before 17:8 was written),,was not(was not a kingdom at the time 17:8 was written/in the pit) and was to ascend out of the pit in the future per the angel. The ten horns had not received an kingdom yet(Rev. 17:12) so they rise after the 7th head,,,and then the eighth https://biblehub.com/greek/3590.htm ,, is "of the seven" so it's being counted among the seven as if it's being added to the seven headed beast in prophecy(it rises after the seven heads and the little horn and the ten kings do).

In Revelation 13:11 onward another beast is set back up(received a deadly wound/is in the pit Rev.17:8),,,the earth says "let us make an image of the beast that received the deadly wound(Rev.13:12) it's not the seventh head that your looking for it's the eighth that is added to the seven.
It was, and it was not to me refers to the roman empire

It was (in 70 AD)

Then it was not (today)

And it will come again (in the future) and given power by satan himself.

At least this is how I see it.
 

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It was, and it was not to me refers to the roman empire

It was (in 70 AD)

Then it was not (today)

And it will come again (in the future) and given power by satan himself.

At least this is how I see it.

There's no woman riding the beast in Daniel,,,she's being carried by the beast when the eighth is added.