Wolves

[Rasputin_OZ]

I think Masons wear those skull rings. They look like normal rings, but have a skull on them. I don't know if all Masons wear these, but I've seen a few who do. I also read somewhere that when a Mason punches someone whilst wearing his skull-ring, the skull emblem gets emblazoned on the jaw of the one whom they punch, so people forever can see that one was punched by a Mason.

That's The Ghost who walks PHANTOM lol

 

[Lanolin]

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I'm a big fan of wolves. Unlike humans, they stick with their mates until death do them part. They only kill what they need to eat. They are smarter than dogs, including bichon frises and they have the brains to prove it. They also are big contributors to the well-being of our ecological structure. And they are good-looking as you can see above.

Yea but they will kill sheep. What do you think of sheep then, or are they just easy prey to you?

 

[he-rat_of_the_circus-mice]

Yea but they will kill sheep. What do you think of sheep then, or are they just easy prey to you?

Sadly, sheep are stupid animals whose sole purposes in life are to provide meat and wool for creatures better than themselves.

 

[Rasputin_OZ]

Sadly, sheep are stupid animals whose sole purposes in life are to provide meat and wool for creatures better than themselves.

hmm, hope you not refering to Christians here.

 

[Lanolin]

Sadly, sheep are stupid animals whose sole purposes in life are to provide meat and wool for creatures better than themselves.

Really. Is that your attitude towards Gods creatures, that give their lives willingly for us. So, for you, the Lamb of God is just as stupid then?

 

[he-rat_of_the_circus-mice]

hmm, hope you not refering to Christians here.

No, I'm referring to actual sheep. But I thought people were being unkind when they spoke of sheep as stupid, until I saw their stupidity first hand.

Really. Is that your attitude towards Gods creatures, that give their lives willingly for us. So, for you, the Lamb of God is just as stupid then?

Now, now, don't read into my words beyond what was said. 'Twould be very blasphemous for the creature to call His Creator stupid, wouldn't it? Where Jesus is declared the Lamb of God, that is referring to His purity and perfection and sacrifice, not His intelligence. This should be obvious, but I guess the fact that I've had to explain it proves that it isn't, at least not to everyone.

 

[Lanolin]

No, I'm referring to actual sheep. But I thought people were being unkind when they spoke of sheep as stupid, until I saw their stupidity first hand.

Now, now, don't read into my words beyond what was said. 'Twould be very blasphemous for the creature to call His Creator stupid, wouldn't it? Where Jesus is declared the Lamb of God, that is referring to His purity and perfection and sacrifice, not His intelligence. This should be obvious, but I guess the fact that I've had to explain it proves that it isn't, at least not to everyone.

Yea you need to explain yourself cos people when people use logic to undertand what your are writing it doesnt add up.

Note that Jesus said to Peter 'feed my lambs' and 'feed my sheep' he didnt say 'feed my lambs and feed my sheep...to the wolves'.

 

[Lanolin]

The thing about sheep and lambs isnt that they are stupid. Its that they flock together and rely on their shepherd to look after them. If that seems stupid to others, then so be it, but another thing God tells us is that there are bad shepherds and good shepherds.

What did Jesus say, the sheep hear my voice, to another they will not listen.

Anyone whos looked after sheep knows they will trust and follow the one that looks after them, not anyone else. So to someone who hasnt actually cared for a flock, the flock might seem 'stupid' for not following a stranger.

 

[oldethennew]

many in the world 'claim to follow Christ as their Shepherd' and claim to do miracles and many wonderful works,
but alas, He tells them,
MATT. 7:21-22-23.
Not every one that saith unto Me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven;
but (he that does the will of My Father) which is in heaven.

Many will say to Me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Thy Name?
and in Thy Name have cast out devils? and in Thy Name done many wonderful works?

And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from Me, you that work iniquity.

they were just 'rogue' - (some were called - some were sent - and some just packed up and went)...

 

[he-rat_of_the_circus-mice]

Yea you need to explain yourself cos people when people use logic to undertand what your are writing it doesnt add up.

The first post in the conversation thread referred to real wolves. The second post (yours) then referred to real sheep. The response, therefore, when referring to sheep, logically was still referring to real sheep. To somehow get metaphorical sheep halfway through the dialogue would have been a logical fallacy (e.g. the use of equivocation).

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I'm a big fan of wolves. Unlike humans, they stick with their mates until death do them part. They only kill what they need to eat. They are smarter than dogs, including bichon frises and they have the brains to prove it. They also are big contributors to the well-being of our ecological structure. And they are good-looking as you can see above.

Yea but they will kill sheep. What do you think of sheep then, or are they just easy prey to you?

Sadly, sheep are stupid animals whose sole purposes in life are to provide meat and wool for creatures better than themselves.

 

[he-rat_of_the_circus-mice]

The thing about sheep and lambs isnt that they are stupid. Its that they flock together and rely on their shepherd to look after them. If that seems stupid to others, then so be it, but another thing God tells us is that there are bad shepherds and good shepherds.

Have you ever cared for sheep? Because what I have seen of them, they are stupid animals who don't even know the difference between the shepherd and the wolves. They will run away from everyone, both those seeking to harm them and those seeking to help them. It would not surprise me to learn that they run from from the shepherds into the waiting jaws of the wolves. For an animal so stupid, I find it hard to feel much pity.

 

[Lanolin]

Have you ever cared for sheep? Because what I have seen of them, they are stupid animals who don't even know the difference between the shepherd and the wolves. They will run away from everyone, both those seeking to harm them and those seeking to help them. It would not surprise me to learn that they run from from the shepherds into the waiting jaws of the wolves. For an animal so stupid, I find it hard to feel much pity.

Ask yourself that question. It depends on what kind of shepherd YOU are. What shepherding methods do you use?
The sheep want to eat grass, and they will flock together. They will also eat other kinds of food if fed, like vege scraps and fruit. But they will only listen to their shepherd who feeds them. Which actually depends on the way you look after the sheep. They can be shepherded, but some shepherds are lazy hired hands and employ sheepdogs that just bark at the sheep of course they will run away from them. They call it mustering, but a good shepherd calls their sheep and the sheep will actually follow the good shepherd, who stays with them all the time an getss to know them,, not run away from a bad shepherd who just rounds them up and gets dogs to barks at them.

Why do you think sheep are stupid? The nature of sheep is to follow their shepherd. Without the shepherd, even a bad one, they can be lost. THis is so, beause God has put a trusting nature in sheep to show us what faith is, And we can only please God by faith, its impossible to please God without it.

Now the stupid ones are actually the goats who bully each other and wreck havoc everywhere they go. People might admire them for their independence, but they are not peace loving animals like sheep are.

 

[Lanolin]

Here you go. He's laughing at your naivete.

They call those kinds of dogs German shepherds. Why German..ah I dont know. German shepherds are mostly used by Police. But they dont really protect sheep theyre known to kill them too. They just hired hands basically who dont actually care for the sheep, just the owner who feeds them.

A hireling, JEsus says, cares nothing for the sheep.

How do we know someone is a hireling. Well how many churches pay their pastor a salary and would they still pastor even if they werent paid?

 

[billabong]

How do we know someone is a hireling. Well how many churches pay their pastor a salary and would they still pastor even if they werent paid?

Now that's a good question Lanolin.
How often do you hear these hirelings misquote John 10:10 saying that it's the devil that comes to steel, kill and destroy, all the while detracting attention from themselves.

 

[BibleStudent60]

How can you tell if there wolves in the church you attend. What are their tell tale signs. Do they operate in packs or are they more lone wolves. How do they enter? And just how much devastation can they cause to a flock?

One might wonder why the Bible chooses wolves as illustrative of false teachers that would would endanger the Christian flock. In nature, wolves are fierce, voracious, bold, and greedy, often killing more sheep than they can eat or drag away. The shepherd of ancient times therefore had to be courageous and resourceful to protect the flock from wolves. John 10:12, 13. But in a metaphorical sense, the
false teachers that would endanger the Christian congregation come from within (Acts 20:29, 30).

Paul provides more information regarding their tactics: “there will be a period of time when they will not put up with the healthful teaching, but, in accord with their own desires, they will accumulate teachers for themselves to have their ears tickled; and they will turn their ears away from the truth.”—2Timothy 4:3, 4.

 

[he-rat_of_the_circus-mice]

Why do you think sheep are stupid?

Because a sheep would sooner follow the flock and die, than make up its own mind and live. In this, a sheep is similar to people. Most people would rather be fools but thought of as wise, than be wise and thought of as fools.

The shepherd is there to keep the stupid sheep in line, because without him, the dumb animals would most likely die by themselves. So he might beat them with his stick, and have his dogs nip at their heels, but this is done so as to preserve them for their proper purposes - wool and meat. Fortunately, the reason Jesus keeps us is His love for us, rather than wool or meat.

The nature of sheep is to follow their shepherd. Without the shepherd, even a bad one, they can be lost. THis is so, beause God has put a trusting nature in sheep to show us what faith is, And we can only please God by faith, its impossible to please God without it.

I think a dog has faith. A sheep simply lacks intelligence. I can only speak for the sheep I've seen, but there were no smart ones. I've seen many smart dogs, and faith - to a dog, his owner is as a god.

Now the stupid ones are actually the goats who bully each other and wreck havoc everywhere they go. People might admire them for their independence, but they are not peace loving animals like sheep are.

Why do you think goats are stupid? Thinking for one's self, and making one's own decisions, is surely a sign of intelligence? The goats I've met were certainly not warlike - but there is the world of difference between goats and sheep in brainpower.

 

[Leastamongmany]

Am encountering the control freaks kind in one church. Its a bit scary.

Ones that stir up strife and contention, I understand that we are meant to contend for the faith once delivered to the saints, but we are to bring peace wherever we go, not strife, if they will not receive us. We are to shake the dust off our feet as testimony against them.

The problem is if the wolves have already installed themselves in the church and arent budging. They just lie in wait for the sheep and sheep, thinking and trusting theres a shepherd to look after them in these churches, find to their horror that those shepherds are not shepherds at all but hirelings.

AMEN!

 

[Leastamongmany]

Oft times the Spirit will just reveal them to you. Ask the Lord what He would have you do or say. Never panic.

1 John
4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that [spirit] of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
4:4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

Amen! "Greater is HE that is in YOU!"

 

[Lanolin]

Because a sheep would sooner follow the flock and die, than make up its own mind and live. In this, a sheep is similar to people. Most people would rather be fools but thought of as wise, than be wise and thought of as fools.

The shepherd is there to keep the stupid sheep in line, because without him, the dumb animals would most likely die by themselves. So he might beat them with his stick, and have his dogs nip at their heels, but this is done so as to preserve them for their proper purposes - wool and meat. Fortunately, the reason Jesus keeps us is His love for us, rather than wool or meat.

I think a dog has faith. A sheep simply lacks intelligence. I can only speak for the sheep I've seen, but there were no smart ones. I've seen many smart dogs, and faith - to a dog, his owner is as a god.

Why do you think goats are stupid? Thinking for one's self, and making one's own decisions, is surely a sign of intelligence? The goats I've met were certainly not warlike - but there is the world of difference between goats and sheep in brainpower.

Do sheep fight each other. Nope. Goats do. Also they fight sheep, they cant be together, they are bullies.
Not following a higher power eg God can be a sign of stupidity, because people can think they are right, but end up on the road to hell. This is why Jesus said in his parable he separates goats from the sheep because goats are selfish animals. But sheep willingly lay down their lives for others.

 

[Lanolin]

http://www.bbc.com/earth/story/20170418-sheep-are-not-stupid-and-they-are-not-helpless-either

Interssting article. Also if sheep take over in big numbers wild animals are threatened. But who prefers wild animals over sheep? . You arent safe in a land with wild animals all over roaming free. I guess some peoples mindset is wrong, its like people that want to protect lions, well tell that to the people who get killed by lions, and their animals that get killed. I would really like to see how people can make a good living if they constantly have to fend off lions or wolves killing and eating their stock. For those kinds of people they think its better not to protect anyone, just fend for themselves? Go live in the wild then and see how long you last.

Our native bird population is devasted by predators that got introduced like dogs. Sheep arent harming native birds, dogs are.