Not By Works

[Macabeus]

For the workers for....and those that state works are necessary for salvation

But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness

Strawman alert! Strawman alert!

straw man

1.an intentionally misrepresented proposition that is set up because it is easier to defeat than an opponent's real argument.

Do you want a hat for your strawman or a match to burn it. Might be fun to watch.

 

[Macabeus]

DC and his army of scarecrows and strawman. March, hurumph, march, harumph... oh hold on, my straws coming loose.

 

[GracethroughfaithinChrist]

LUKE 1:67 And his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Ghost, and prophesied, saying, 68 Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people,69 And hath raised up an horn of salvation for us in the house of his servant David;
70 As he spake by the mouth of his holy prophets, which have been since the world began:71 That we should be saved from our enemies, and from the hand of all that hate us; 72 To perform the mercy promised to our fathers, and to remember his holy covenant; 73 The oath which he sware to our father Abraham,74 That he would grant unto us, that we being delivered out of the hand of our enemies might serve him without fear, 75 In holiness and righteousness before him, all the days of our life.

1 Corinthians 13:4
Love is patient, love is kind, love is not envious, it is not boastful, it is not puffed up.

 

[GracethroughfaithinChrist]

DC and his army of scarecrows and strawman. March, hurumph, march, harumph... oh hold on, my straws coming loose.

"You, therefore, who teach another, do you not teach yourself?"

 

[Macabeus]

1 Corinthians 13:4
Love is patient, love is kind, love is not envious, it is not boastful, it is not puffed up.

Judge not, lest ye be judged. You don't know my heart, Maestro

 

[GracethroughfaithinChrist]

2 Corinthians 4:1-2
Therefore seeing we have this ministry, as we have received mercy, we faint not; 2But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God.

 

[Macabeus]

"You, therefore, who teach another, do you not teach yourself?"

In case you were unaware, which you probably were, that was an attack on his arguments, not DC himself.

Scarecrow is a word I use in place of the BOOGEYMAN argument.

A strawman is a deliberately misrepresentation of another person's argument in order to avoid their real argument.

 

[dcontroversal]

Again for the workers for and deceivers that state works are required for salvation....

But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness

 

[dcontroversal]

2 Corinthians 4:1-2
Therefore seeing we have this ministry, as we have received mercy, we faint not; 2But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God.

Excellent scripture......

 

[Macabeus]

2 Corinthians 4:1-2
Therefore seeing we have this ministry, as we have received mercy, we faint not; 2But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God.

SO then why are you handling the Word of God deceitfully. The Word of God is not a hammer to try to hammer other people over the head.

 

[Macabeus]

Again for the workers for and deceivers that state works are required for salvation....

But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness

STRAWMAN ALERT, STRAWMAN ALERT!!!

 

[Macabeus]

Excellent scripture......

Yep,

 

[Macabeus]

1 John 3:6-7 is not talking about two natures in the believer, one sinning and the other righteous. It is talking about people who are born of God and people who are not born of God. Anyone who reads the whole chapter (and book) in it's context can see that, unless a person is reading their own ideas into the text.

Pal....you have no idea and exactly why MOST have you on ignore...your drivel and bather = deceit....PAUL was clear, so was JESUS.....the bible is replete of the conflict between the two natures, you are just too dense to grasp it.....

 

[GracethroughfaithinChrist]

SO then why are you handling the Word of God deceitfully. The Word of God is not a hammer to try to hammer other people over the head.

2 Timothy 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Proverbs 30:5
Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.

 

[Macabeus]

Excellent scripture......

yep

1 John 3:6-7 is not talking about two natures in the believer, one sinning and the other righteous. It is talking about people who are born of God and people who are not born of God. Anyone who reads the whole chapter (and book) in it's context can see that, unless a person is reading their own ideas into the text.

Pal....you have no idea and exactly why MOST have you on ignore...your drivel and bather = deceit....PAUL was clear, so was JESUS.....the bible is replete of the conflict between the two natures, you are just too dense to grasp it.....

 

[Macabeus]

2 Timothy 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Proverbs 30:5
Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.

Yes, and the scripture is not given for false accusations. You accuse me of being puffed up for quoting Luke. WOW! Don't quote scriptures that contradict Gracethroughfaith's traditions, or he will say you are puffed up.

Meanwhile, DC is asking where he transposed Paul unto John, and I have put the incident in 101,655, where you can see it for yourself.

Check it out, it's right above this one

 

[dcontroversal]

2 Timothy 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Proverbs 30:5
Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.

AMEN and the following truths were inspired by God and NOTE...no works mentioned....but hey....the deceivers must interject works into the mix.....NOT one verse states that any work beyond BELIEVING is required to be saved..........salvation is a ONE off ETERNAL event based entirely upon grace, faith and the work of CHRIST on our behalf.

But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness

NOT by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy has he saved us

In the grace we are, having been saved out of faith, and that not of ourselves, it is the gift of God and not of works lest any man should boast

He that believes on the SO is having everlasting life

It pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe

 

[Macabeus]

AMEN and the following truths were inspired by God and NOTE...no works mentioned....but hey....the deceivers must interject works into the mix.....NOT one verse states that any work beyond BELIEVING is required to be saved..........salvation is a ONE of ETERNAL event based entirely upon grace, faith and the work of CHRIST on our behalf.

But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness

NOT by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy has he saved us

In the grace we are, having been saved out of faith, and that not of ourselves, it i the gift of God and not of works lest any man should boast

He that believes on the SO is having everlasting life

It pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe

OKAY, you would have a valid charge against me if I ever denied anything you just said, but of course, I did not deny any of those things.

 

[GracethroughfaithinChrist]

In case you were unaware, which you probably were, that was an attack on his arguments, not DC himself.

Scarecrow is a word I use in place of the BOOGEYMAN argument.

A strawman is a deliberately misrepresentation of another person's argument in order to avoid their real argument.

Yes, and the scripture is not given for false accusations. You accuse me of being puffed up for quoting Luke. WOW! Don't quote scriptures that contradict Gracethroughfaith's traditions, or he will say you are puffed up.

Meanwhile, DC is asking where he transposed Paul unto John, and I have put the incident in 101,655, where you can see it for yourself.

Check it out, it's right above this one

"you, therefore, who teach another, do you not teach yourself?"

Ephesians 4:31
Let all bitterness and wrath and anger and clamor and slander be put away from you, along with all malice.

 

[Macabeus]

AMEN and the following truths were inspired by God and NOTE...no works mentioned....but hey....the deceivers must interject works into the mix.....NOT one verse states that any work beyond BELIEVING is required to be saved..........salvation is a ONE of ETERNAL event based entirely upon grace, faith and the work of CHRIST on our behalf.

But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness

NOT by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy has he saved us

In the grace we are, having been saved out of faith, and that not of ourselves, it i the gift of God and not of works lest any man should boast

He that believes on the SO is having everlasting life

It pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe

Sure, I agree with everything you just said, and nothing I have said is contrary to that and everything I have said is in agreement with that. SO what's your point and who are you addressing.

Or do you not know the difference between salvation produces works (which is what I am stating) and works produce salvation (which is what I am not saying)

You need to light a match and burn all your strawman and develop a valid argument, because everything you say is irrelevant. Same with your buddy, forgot his name there.