Gay wedding

[calibob]

Oh interesting. That you got commission on weddings too. It is a business though. Why were you in Las Vegas though, isnt it known to be Sin City.

I read this book called The children of Las Vegas. It was really sad for children growing up there. They just dont know what a normal life is. Their parents are gamblers, pimps and addicts. All of them want to get out.

I don't believe that gambling and alcohol are sins in and of themselves although my addiction to them became sins in my life. I was in my late forties, divorced and my children had grown and moved away. So I seized the opportunity to move where money was a commodity hoping to make more than before and restart my life after losing both parents and becoming alone at that age. I originally though hotel management would be a good field to get involved in. However the fact that so many guests would have been fornicators, adulterers, gays or prostitutes bothered me and I mentioned it at a bible study that I would feel like an enabler or a beneficiary to that lifestyle. The wedding business was suggested and seemed a more reasonable solution. So I applied myself to it and was successful at it.

Sin city is an old nickname dating back to the days of steam choo-choo trains.

 

[Waggles]

I hardly believe that what is happening in some obscure church in Sweden

The Lutheran church in Europe is not an obscure church of a few. It is the church of all northern Europe and also quite
extensive in the U.S.A. and Australia.
There are many practising homosexuals ordained as bishops and priests and ministers in Europe, North America, Australia , etc ...
Your'e naivety is alarming.
Africa is about all who stand against the rainbow march in the churches; and soon most African congregations will breakaway
from their European and North American parent churches/faiths over the accepting and ordaining homosexual ministers.

 

[Waggles]

LGBTQ in the Episcopal Church even have their own website

In 1976, the General Convention of The Episcopal Church declared that “homosexual persons are children of God who have a full and equal claim with all other persons upon the love, acceptance, and pastoral concern and care of the Church" (1976-A069). Since then, faithful Episcopalians have been working toward a greater understanding and radical inclusion of all of God’s children.

Along the way, The Episcopal Church has garnered a lot of attention, but with the help of organizations such as Integrity USA, the church has continued its work toward full inclusion of lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender (LGBT) Episcopalians. In 2003, the first openly gay bishop was consecrated; in 2009, General Convention resolved that God’s call is open to all; in 2012, a provisional rite of blessing for same-gender relationships was authorized, and discrimination against transgender persons in the ordination process was officially prohibited; and in 2015, the canons of the church were changed to make the rite of marriage available to all people, regardless of gender.

To our lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender brothers, sisters and siblings: “The Episcopal Church welcomes you!”

‘Communion Across Difference’ group continues church’s ongoing LGBTQ-inclusion conversation.

 

[blue_ladybug]

That's why I flat out refuse to go to any of the churches in my city. One proudly displays the gay pride flag outside their front door AND on the back windows. Another displays FOUR flags on each of their four front doors. Maybe gays ARE welcome in church, however since they're gay and practically saying "F**k you" to God, then why do they even want to enter a church in the first place? Why attend church services when they know what they're doing is wrong, and they'll go to hell if they don't repent of that lifestyle?

I never have, and never will understand the mindset of the alphabet people. Gays are an abomination, trannies cannot legitimately change their gender, no matter whether they have their boobs or penises cut off, or take hormones and steroids. If you're a girl, you gonna die a female. If you're a guy, you gonna die as a male. Simple as that. Too bad that they're so deluded.

 

[Waggles]

37 He answered and said unto them, He that sows the good seed is the Son of man;
38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.
40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
Matthew 13:
Satan has his children as well. They go about doing his bidding.

 

[Susanna]

That's why I flat out refuse to go to any of the churches in my city. One proudly displays the gay pride flag outside their front door AND on the back windows. Another displays FOUR flags on each of their four front doors. Maybe gays ARE welcome in church, however since they're gay and practically saying "F**k you" to God, then why do they even want to enter a church in the first place? Why attend church services when they know what they're doing is wrong, and they'll go to hell if they don't repent of that lifestyle?

I never have, and never will understand the mindset of the alphabet people. Gays are an abomination, trannies cannot legitimately change their gender, no matter whether they have their boobs or penises cut off, or take hormones and steroids. If you're a girl, you gonna die a female. If you're a guy, you gonna die as a male. Simple as that. Too bad that they're so deluded.

But this isn’t about gay churches. I think we all can agree that a church can’t be advocating the gay cause.

This is merely about how to reach out to persons struggling with their sexual orientation so that they can restore their relationship to the Lord.

 

[UnderGrace]

King James Bible
For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?


Let us be clear on this in context so we do not use it wrongly, but continue to reveal the destructiveness of sin and continue to be salt and light as we are called to be.

We are not called to put up our hands and state "oh the world is getting worse everyday" as Jesus said it would.

We know from the old testament that the prophets made prophetic judgments on pagan nations... entire chapters are devoted to this, eg., Is. 13-21; 23-24; 34; Jer. 46-51; Eze. 25-32; 35; 38,39; Joel 3; Amos 1,2; Zeph. 2; Zech. 9; 12; Nahum etc.,

Christians have every right to judge (call out, rebuke, say what is wrong with) non-Christians and what they are doing. We were right to judge Hitler, we were right to judge bin Laden, we are right to judge paedophiles, we are right to judge baby-killers, and so on.

What Paul is telling the church at Corinth is that the purity of the "ekklesia" and discipline within "ekklesia" which is so very vital in the "ekklesia" is obviously not applicable to those outside the church.

 

[Waggles]

I think we all can agree that a church can’t be advocating the gay cause.

So why are Christians on CC advocating their cause?

 

[UnderGrace]

But this isn’t about gay churches. I think we all can agree that a church can’t be advocating the gay cause.

This is merely about how to reach out to persons struggling with their sexual orientation so that they can restore their relationship to the Lord.

I know many gay people they are not "struggling" they have embraced it wholeheartedly.

 

[Susanna]

So why are Christians on CC advocating their cause?

I don’t. But I don’t think your method is getting them anywhere.

 

[Susanna]

I know many gay people they are not "struggling" they have embraced it wholeheartedly.

I have a lesbian friend. She is struggling to the point of self destruction.

 

[Waggles]

Stand Up, Stand Up for Jesus
by George Duffield, Jr. 1858

1. Stand up, stand up for Jesus! ye soldiers of the cross;
   Lift high His royal banner, it must not suffer loss:
   From vict’ry unto vict’ry, His army shall He lead,
   Till every foe is vanquished, and Christ is Lord indeed.
2. Stand up, stand up for Jesus! The trumpet call obey:
   Forth to the mighty conflict, in this His glorious day;
   Ye that are men now serve Him against unnumbered foes;
   Let courage rise with danger, and strength to strength oppose.
3. Stand up, stand up for Jesus! Stand in His strength alone,
   The arm of flesh will fail you, ye dare not trust your own;
   Put on the gospel armor, and watching unto prayer,
   Where calls the voice of duty, be never wanting there.
4. Stand up, stand up for Jesus! the strife will not be long;
   This day the noise of battle, the next the victor’s song;
   To him that overcometh a crown of life shall be;
   He with the King of glory shall reign eternally.

 

[UnderGrace]

In my post I did not say one should or should not attend the wedding. My point was that it is for us to love everyone and plant seeds to lead people to Jesus. It is up to each individual and their walk with Jesus to determine if they would or would not attend.

I am learning the hard way that it is better to love people than to shut them out, put my own self-righteousness on them, feel superior to anyone because maybe I don't struggle with the sin that they struggle with. God over the years has been trying to teach me that it is much better to love them and pray for them and the struggle as I struggle with sin myself and must lean on God to help me and for me to love others and pray for that same help from God for them.

I am unable to save them but Jesus is able to do what I can't do for myself or to help them to overcome their struggle. My prayer for them is to want to allow Jesus to help them and if we as Christians don't love them as God does we will help them shut us out but most of all shut off their wanting to ever connect with God/Jesus and ask for the help they so desperately need.

I maintain that it is our job to love them and God will convict them of their sin. We need to love them to Jesus in God's way. That's what I mean by him who is without sin let him cast the first stone. Hopefully this clears it up for you.

Yes well.... this sounds lovely but it is not the biblical lens.

Why you make ask your euphemism for sin ..... "struggle"

Their "struggle" is sin.

There is no love in the absence of truth, that is only sentimentality.

Jesus did not die for our "struggles"

The irony is I do not struggle with sin because I have a Saviour from sin....but sometimes I do struggle to get out of bed.

 

[UnderGrace]

I have a lesbian friend. She is struggling to the point of self destruction.

Well there is a remedy for sin and his name is Christ Jesus

 

[blue_ladybug]

I have a lesbian friend. She is struggling to the point of self destruction.

Then she needs to repent and turn straight again.. That's the only way that she won't self-destruct..

 

[Susanna]

Then she needs to repent and turn straight again.. That's the only way that she won't self-destruct..

I somewhat feel responsible for her, we grew up together, but now, that I’m getting older, and I’m already a grandmother, that feeling of responsibility is wearing me out. I’ll just have to let it go at some point.

 

[tourist]

The Lutheran church in Europe is not an obscure church of a few. It is the church of all northern Europe and also quite
extensive in the U.S.A. and Australia.
There are many practising homosexuals ordained as bishops and priests and ministers in Europe, North America, Australia , etc ...
Your'e naivety is alarming.
Africa is about all who stand against the rainbow march in the churches; and soon most African congregations will breakaway
from their European and North American parent churches/faiths over the accepting and ordaining homosexual ministers.

From my understanding of reading your post this matter concerns the Lutheran church in Sweden and does not necessarily affect this denomination in other parts of Europe, and certainly not the Lutheran church in the USA.

There are European countries that have state sponsored churches and denominations and the state has a certain measure of control in what is allowed or not allowed. I am sure that there are practicing homosexuals ordained as bishops, priests and ministers but outside of those churches controlled by the state it is up to each denomination as to the qualifications of those in leadership positions of authority, what is tolerated and what is not tolerated.

In the USA where I reside there is freedom of religion so a church can basically do what it wants without government interference. Any church or denomination that allows and promotes homosexual activity cannot be considered Christian.

Personally, I really don't give a crap about what happens in these other churches that promote / condone such practices and activities as I am not compelled to be a member in such places. It's like you have said, it's basically a lost cause. One is wise in considering to chose what battles are to be fought in their humble service to the lord and for me personally, this is not one of them.

You claim that I am naïve but again, that is only your own personal opinion and perhaps not the general consensus of the CC community. Either way, it's all good.

 

[Susanna]

From my understanding of reading your post this matter concerns the Lutheran church in Sweden and does not necessarily affect this denomination in other parts of Europe, and certainly not the Lutheran church in the USA.

There are European countries that have state sponsored churches and denominations and the state has a certain measure of control in what is allowed or not allowed. I am sure that there are practicing homosexuals ordained as bishops, priests and ministers but outside of those churches controlled by the state it is up to each denomination as to the qualifications of those in leadership positions of authority, what is tolerated and what is not tolerated.

In the USA where I reside there is freedom of religion so a church can basically do what it wants without government interference. Any church or denomination that allows and promotes homosexual activity cannot be considered Christian.

Personally, I really don't give a crap about what happens in these other churches that promote / condone such practices and activities as I am not compelled to be a member in such places. It's like you have said, it's basically a lost cause. One is wise in considering to chose what battles are to be fought in their humble service to the lord and for me personally, this is not one of them.

You claim that I am naïve but again, that is only your own personal opinion and perhaps not the general consensus of the CC community. Either way, it's all good.

You really are a wise man, Mr. Tourist.

 

[tourist]

My son in law replaced the modem today and I have been offline 5 hours because like usual everything he tries to fix breaks right away. A few minuets ago I got back up and running and when I got on skype with @Magenta she told me about what was happening here. This was my first response.> from skype;
Well, I'm not a follower of his either. (rick Warren) And my CR text was copyrighted 1998, 21 years ago. I have seen for myself that people who follow men with feet are usually led astray when the leaders come under the influence of money, authority and power. It is what I have come to expect. Out of men. is it on the Gay wedding thread still? I'll copy paste tis skype message to it. CR was never intended to replace worship at all. It is only a supplement. like a vitamin was not intended to replace Good Food.

She responded;
I refused to buy the bible they wanted to sell with the celebrate recovery course;
my next response was;
I didn't buy it either. In fact I was looking for the salvation army's version which had a 12 step footnotes and their biblical references directly from the bible and not the big book either.
I'll read further but this is my first response.

Unfortunately while living in San Diego, Los Angeles, Long Beach and Las Vegas I've realized and know that tax payers support the demonstrations and parades. To paraphrase the gay agenda, "They're here. They're Queer and we gotten used to it." If there are 50 million strong, bible believing Christians left in America, that's less than 15% If we go out and protest them, the curse of the new law might be upon us. We could get arrested for violating they're civil rights.

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Protesting them would probably be considered a hate crime.

 

[blue_ladybug]

I somewhat feel responsible for her, we grew up together, but now, that I’m getting older, and I’m already a grandmother, that feeling of responsibility is wearing me out. I’ll just have to let it go at some point.

Ultimately, SHE is responsible for herself. I'm sure she knows the difference between right and wrong. All you can do is turn her over to God. Only He can straighten her out again. (no pun intended, lol)