Gay wedding

[Magenta]

Every single person Jesus met was a sinner in comparison to Him and the fact that he did mention homosexuality while on earth is denial of the full canon of truth, since the words of Paul are given by divine inspiration ....that would mean Jesus.

As well, Jesus and His ministry, while unique in its purpose, cannot be separated out from Paul and the apostle's instructions, this is not wise, nor is it a way to justify our behavior.

Believe as you will.

I believe Scripture does not record one word concerning homosexuality spoken by Jesus as He walked this earth. In fact, it is a fact He did not. It seems you are loathe to admit to this fact... as are many other Christians. You can justify your denial of this fact any way you choose. I call them red herrings, which you also deny. So be it

 

[UnderGrace]

Obviously it was most likely a secular wedding. Do you not go to them? I've only been to 2 church weddings in my life and 1 was mine.

Funny, I have been to so, so many weddings since I was young I have lost count, I used to average two a year.

The issue is not whether it is a church or secular wedding between and man a woman, that would be a different conversation.

 

[UnderGrace]

I believe Scripture does not record one word concerning homosexuality spoken by Jesus as He walked this earth. In fact, it is a fact He did not. It seems you are loathe to admit to this fact... as are many other Christians. You can justify your denial of this fact any way you choose. I call them red herrings, which you also deny. So be it

I know there is no recorded statement from Jesus about homosexuality that is not my point....but I stated it plainly is you happy now!!

And I really hope you are not taking this personally because I am just having a debate with you, and I have looked at it from all sides in my life too .. just so you know. but I do sincerely believe we need to be cautious how we go about living and bearing witness.

I am trying to show you why it makes no difference that we do not have anything recorded by Jesus, but you think it does ......so please tell me why it makes a differnce......and do so quickly Magenta I need to go wash my hair.

 

[calibob]

Perhaps everyone needs to be shunned regardless of the type of sin that is committed.

Thank you for sharing.

 

[calibob]

Funny, I have been to so, so many weddings since I was young I have lost count, I used to average two a year.

The issue is not whether it is a church or secular wedding between and man a woman, that would be a different conversation.

So now we are getting somewhere. It's not because it's an ungodly wedding. It's because they are homosexuals. It would be ok to go to either venue and sin is not the issue then it's just that particular sin.

I was fired for being homophobic because I said, 'homos with aids who remain sexually active are a menace to society and should be locked up for public safety.' They thought I was too conservative.

 

[calibob]

Funny, I have been to so, so many weddings since I was young I have lost count, I used to average two a year.

I said church weddings.

 

[UnderGrace]

So now we are getting somewhere. It's not because it's an ungodly wedding. It's because they are homosexuals. It would be ok to go to either venue and sin is not the issue then it's just that particular sin.

I was fired for being homophobic because I said, 'homos with aids who remain sexually active are a menace to society and should be locked up for public safety.' They thought I was too conservative.

Now the concern is giving public support to a destructive lifestyle/sin.

If there was a group that built their identity on being swingers and they were having a swinger wedding/celebration it would be the same thing.

Would you go to a swinger celebration where four swingers have decided they are all married to each other.

Or how about a person that identifies as a fox and they are having a celebration of coming out as being a fox would you go? (and this is not made up)

Or how about a person who marries his dog in a private ceremony would you go? (this is not made up)

 

[UnderGrace]

I said church weddings.

All church weddings, never been to any other.

 

[Waggles]

Oh how the Christian life has fallen …
the truth is spoken evil of and to love and uphold the word of God is now closed minded dogma.

Where are the watchmen on the towers?

 

[calibob]

Now the concern is giving public support to a destructive lifestyle/sin.

If there was a group that built their identity on being swingers and they were having a swinger wedding/celebration it would be the same thing.

Would you go to a swinger celebration where four swingers have decided they are all married to each other.

Or how about a person that identifies as a fox and they are having a celebration of coming out as being a fox would you go? (and this is not made up)

Or how about a person who marries his dog in a private ceremony would you go? (this is not made up)

I've never been to a gay wedding or reception but if my cousin were to marry his partner that helps take care of my 90 year old aunt were to have a civil ceremony I'd probley go. I know they would be respectful and not flaunt their choice for same sex but rather their love and devotion for one another. I could overlook that. I don't know any swingers. Or what kind of fox your talking about. Bestiality? Really? Don't be ridiculous.

 

[UnderGrace]

So now we are getting somewhere. It's not because it's an ungodly wedding. It's because they are homosexuals. It would be ok to go to either venue and sin is not the issue then it's just that particular sin.

I was fired for being homophobic because I said, 'homos with aids who remain sexually active are a menace to society and should be locked up for public safety.' They thought I was too conservative.

People need to examine the all the possible implications and ramifications of what they think is loving and supportive

I've never been to a gay wedding or reception but if my cousin were to marry his partner that helps take care of my 90 year old aunt were to have a civil ceremony I'd probley go. I know they would be respectful and not flaunt their choice for same sex but rather their love and devotion for one another. I could overlook that. I don't know any swingers. Or what kind of fox your talking about. Bestiality? Really? Don't be ridiculous.

I am not being ridiculous, you need to get out more LOL

Every situation I mentioned is true. There are people who identify as animals and there are people who have married their pets.
There are people who are bisexual and are three and have had private ceremonies....they love each other too!

Amazing how the world has shifted the believer rather than the believer shifting the world.

 

[Magenta]

I know there is no recorded statement from Jesus about homosexuality that is not my point....but I stated it plainly is you happy now!!

And I really hope you are not taking this personally because I am just having a debate with you, and I have looked at it from all sides in my life too .. just so you know. but I do sincerely believe we need to be cautious how we go about living and bearing witness.

I am trying to show you why it makes no difference that we do not have anything recorded by Jesus, but you think it does ......so please tell me why it makes a differnce......and do so quickly Magenta I need to go wash my hair.

That was my point, however, and I already said why, and no, I do not take it personally. In fact, I recently re-read some of our PMs to each other from when I retuned last year following my hiatus, and was reminded that despite any differences we might now seem to be having, we share a love of God and Jesus Christ and His revealed written Word, and have stood side by side in other threads on other issues and appreciated each other's presence very much I know why I have said what I have said, also, and stand by it: Jesus displayed the love of God to us while we were yet sinners. God met me where I was at. He did not wait for me to clean up my act before He revealed Himself, His unconditional love, and His forgiveness through His Son, to me. For this I am grateful.

 

[calibob]

Oh how the Christian life has fallen …
the truth is spoken evil of and to love and uphold the word of God is now closed minded dogma.

Where are the watchmen on the towers?

They're gone we live in a new world under a new covenant where love is the greatest gift of all. Fear no longer works but love never fails. We must show them love, like Christ showed us when we were worldly sinners.

 

[UnderGrace]

That was my point, however, and I already said why, and no, I do not take it personally. In fact, I recently re-read some of our PMs to each other from when I retuned last year following my hiatus, and was reminded that despite any differences we might now seem to be having, we share a love of God and Jesus Christ and His revealed written Word, and have stood side by side in other threads on other issues and appreciated each other's presence very much I know why I have said what I have said, also, and stand by it: Jesus displayed the love of God to us while we were yet sinners. God met me where I was at. He did not wait for me to clean up my act before He revealed Himself, His unconditional love, and His forgiveness through His Son, to me. For this I am grateful.

Agree, but why does it matter that Jesus never mentioned homosexuality, is there something here to further elaborate on?

 

[calibob]

People need to examine the all the possible implications and ramifications of what they think is loving and supportive


I am not being ridiculous, you need to get out more LOL

Amazing how the world has shifted the believer rather than the believer shifting the world.

Oh, I've seen enough on you tube. You are speaking out of context. We are not talking about furries or bestiality or some one marrying them self. I don't think I've ever known any one of our generation that was a virgin when they got married. Should we boycott the weddings because they are fornicators? Do you think it justified to ignore a loved one because we do not approve of their lifestyle?

 

[Magenta]

Agree, but why does it matter that Jesus never mentioned homosexuality, is there something here to further elaborate on?

I already said that Christians make an inordinate amount of noise concerning something Jesus said nothing about while He walked this world, and it seems completely disproportionate to me. In fact I suspect that homosexuals get singled out because it is the one and only sin that most Christians will not themselves commit. Somehow that allows them to give themselves permission to condemn homosexuals as if they were justified to stand in judgement of non-believers even though Paul said we have no business doing such. I heard a woman at a meeting recently saying that she, for a time, thought that if she forgave someone for behavior she found unacceptable, that it meant she condoned that behavior. Thankfully she came to realize the error of her ways. She is a ninety year old, who was celebrating 45 years of continuous sobriety, one day at a time. She hangs out with drunks and drug addicts who are in the thick of their disease, because she knows she can help them, if and when they become willing to listen.

 

[UnderGrace]

Oh, I've seen enough on you tube. You are speaking out of context. We are not talking about furries or bestiality or some one marrying them self. I don't think I've ever known any one of our generation that was a virgin when they got married. Should we boycott the weddings because they are fornicators? Do you think it justified to ignore a loved one because we do not approve of their lifestyle?

Mr Calibob I need to wash my hair LOL .... but did you know that when you have sex with someone you are married to them in God's eyes.

Perhaps we should, perhaps this world would be in a lot better shape when we finally stand up and stop conforming to the ways of the world.

We are under grace but the world is not, and we do the world no favours when we act like them.

 

[UnderGrace]

I already said that Christians make an inordinate amount of noise concerning something Jesus said nothing about while He walked this world, and it seems completely disproportionate to me. In fact I suspect that homosexuals get singled out because it is the one and only sin that most Christians will not themselves commit. Somehow that allows them to give themselves permission to condemn homosexuals as if they were justified to stand in judgement of non-believers even though Paul said we have no business doing such. I heard a woman at a meeting recently saying that she, for a time, thought that if she forgave someone for behavior she found unacceptable, that it meant she condoned that behavior. Thankfully she came to realize the error of her ways. She is a ninety year old, who was celebrating 45 years of continuous sobriety, one day at a time. She hangs out with drunks and drug addicts who are in the thick of their disease, because she knows she can help them, if and when they become willing to listen.

So you are stating the because Jesus did not address it directly it makes it less significant.
Christians have committed acts of homosexuality btw.... even a believer can go back and walk in the flesh

It is not our job to forgive any behaviour, ministering to people is different than participating or celebrating in the behaviours

Okay I need to go wash my hair....to--dalooo

 

[theanointedwinner]

The debate becomes

Magenta: Christians make too much noise about it, Jesus never mention homosexuality

Undergrace: Jesus never mentioned homosexuality, but that seems irrelevant

Magenta: let me repeat my point, Christians make too much noise


And repeat

 

[Magenta]

So you are stating the because Jesus did not address it directly it makes it less significant.

Not at all. Please read what I have already stated multiple times. If you still fail to comprehend what I am saying, there is not much point continuing.