Did Jesus ever tell us that we no longer need to keep the law of Moses?

[eternally-gratefull]

Without knowledge of sin you cannot know what sin you must stop doing, hence "my people perish for lack of knowledge".

Yep. Because the failed to understand what sin was. They thought the law showed them, when it did not.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

This is what the scriptures say,

Whoever commits sin is of the devil, for the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the works of the devil. No one born of God commits sin, for the seed of God abides in him; and he cannot commit sin, because he has been born of God.
1 John 3:8-9

Whosoever is born of God does not commit sin; for his seed remains in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
1 John 3:9

We know that every one born of God does not sin; but the one born of God keeps himself, and the evil one does not touch him.
1 John 5:18

These scriptures are very plain and straightforward. It never ceases to amaze me how people refuse to accept the truth of what these scriptures are saying, that we must stop sinning. Unbelievable.

http://www.wisdomofgod.us/2019/01/11/perfection-through-belief-in-yeshuah-by-the-airflow-of-god/

Ok now.

Take this with all the other scripture.

WHo ever is born of God does not habitually sin (the literal translation of the greek text) whoever habitually sins (again th eliteral translation) has never seen God or known God.

Now remember, Abraham was considered righteous when he had faith. Look at all the sins he commited after. Did he NEVEr see or know God?

How about peter. Long after he was made top dog. Had to be chastened by paul openly because of sin, Did he never see or know God.

Sometimes we just have to let go. Open our minds, and look at the whole word. Or we get decieved by a few verses that we think support us.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

No, scripture would call me a liar if I said "I never sinned in the past". At one point in our lives, we must stop sinning, hence "whoever is born of God cannot sin". You have twisted one scripture to mean we cannot stop sinning, when it is clear from scripture we can, and that we must.

Scripture calls you a liar if you say you never sin now.

Johns words were present tense, Not past tense.

 

[cgneustar]

Ok now.

Take this with all the other scripture.

WHo ever is born of God does not habitually sin (the literal translation of the greek text) whoever habitually sins (again th eliteral translation) has never seen God or known God.

Now remember, Abraham was considered righteous when he had faith. Look at all the sins he commited after. Did he NEVEr see or know God?

How about peter. Long after he was made top dog. Had to be chastened by paul openly because of sin, Did he never see or know God.

Sometimes we just have to let go. Open our minds, and look at the whole word. Or we get decieved by a few verses that we think support us.

Tell me, is a murderer that murders once a year better than a murderer who murders daily?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

If that were true, then you would agree that the Torah has not been discarded, because anyone who has the Torah of God written in his heart will obey the Torah, hence,

And I will give you a new heart, and a new airflow I will put within you. And I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. And I will put my airflow within you, and CAUSE YOU TO WALK IN MY STATUES AND BE CAREFUL TO OBEY MY JUDGMENTS.
Ezekiel 36:26-27

The statues and judgments of God are written in his Torah. As such, like I said, the written Torah of God is never discarded, neither in the old covenant, nor in the new covenant.

Thats not what Jesus said.

Wow man, you have some studying to do.

How did jesus say we obey the law? By what power? Can you explain?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by believing what you heard? Are you so foolish? After beginning by means of the Spirit, are you now trying to finish by means of the flesh?

Clearly no one who relies on the law is justified before God, because “the righteous will live by faith.”

Amen sis, Amen, It is quite clear what scripture says, Keep preaching it!!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Your lies notwithstanding, I do understand the distinction.

I notice you like to throw slanderous statements around. Is that what you classify as being perfect/not sinning? How odd.

Sadly after being here for a few years. It does seem like that is a normal response for sinless perfectionists

 

[cgneustar]

Scripture calls you a liar if you say you never sin now.

Johns words were present tense, Not past tense.

Yet the Messiah taught, "sin no more" and "be perfect", and John also said, "he who is born of God cannot sin", and Paul said, "we have been set free from sin". So who is the liar, John, Paul, the Messiah, or you? I will dare say you, for lack of understanding and denial to one basic truth, "we must stop sinning from now and onwards".

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You shall not murder and you shall love your neighbor as yourself as not "works of the Torah", they are commands of the Torah that reveal the righteousness of God, on which the righteousness that comes through belief is based on. "Works of the Torah" are circumcision, new moons, Shabbaths, and appointed times, which have no benefit in the true righteousness of God under the new covenant of the Messiah. I am not on here promulgating these things, I am on here promulgating the commands of the Torah that pertain to this true righteousness of God based on belief. UNDERSTAND what I am saying, for your own sakes. http://www.wisdomofgod.us/2019/02/14/the-torah-has-not-been-abolished/ .

The law tells you particular sins, and says if you break them your under a curse.

It does not

1. Tell you every possible means of breaking that command
2. Tell you HOW to bey that command

The sacrificial system itself should clue you in, The author of hebrews tells us even the sinful high priest. Who in obedience made the atoneing sacrifice, was unqualified himself because of sin.

If they could not be perfect. What gives you the thought to think you can?

The fact is, the law condemns you where you stand, right here and right now. Period.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The Messiah called the Pharisees serpents, and Paul called the Galatians fools, while I call you people stubborn for saying "we no longer need to obey the Torah" and "we do not need to stop sinning". Although you do not realize this, you people are far worse than the Pharisees who put the Messiah to death, because at least they knew the Torah of God is still binding, but this generation of believers, oh my, it would be better that this generation be dead than to have to endure the wrath that is soon to come against it, because of its continual lawlessness and refusal to obey the truth, while still saying, "I am a believer".

Lol

Your more like the pharisees, and galations than Paul or jesus! get over yourself man.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The Messiah said to obey everything the Pharisees taught because the Pharisees taught the Torah, which they did not truly practice. The believers today, however, are worse than the Pharisees, because they teach that the Torah has been discarded. So that is why I say, your trust is misplaced in your linguistic scholars, because they are in error in many things, in their lawlessness, which is why they mistranslate many passages of scripture.

Lol/ The pharisee was considered righteous according to the law. Not breakers. When people said they had followed it. Jesus never called them liars. Paul, the pharisee of all pharisees said plainly. As a pharisee, he was faultless according to the law.

Thats why jesus said our righteousness must exceed theres. Because when it came to people who obeyed the law. No one could outdo the pharisee. No one.. Only Christ did.

 

[cgneustar]

The law tells you particular sins, and says if you break them your under a curse.

It does not

1. Tell you every possible means of breaking that command
2. Tell you HOW to bey that command

The sacrificial system itself should clue you in, The author of hebrews tells us even the sinful high priest. Who in obedience made the atoneing sacrifice, was unqualified himself because of sin.

If they could not be perfect. What gives you the thought to think you can?

The fact is, the law condemns you where you stand, right here and right now. Period.

The Torah is the knowledge of ALL sin. This is why even through the one story of the passage of Onan recorded in the Torah, where Onan spilled his seed to prevent conception, the Torah reveals that masturbation and all forms of contraception are sin, without needing to go into detail regarding every form of contraception that exists. You are unlearned regarding the Torah, which is why you first stated that the Torah is not the knowledge of sin, even though through scripture I proved that it is, and then you retracted and said that the Torah does not reveal every possible way of breaking the command, even though I just showed you an example of how one story of the Torah forbids ALL forms of contraception.

 

[cgneustar]

Lol

Your more like the pharisees, and galations than Paul or jesus! get over yourself man.

No, it is because of your lawlessness that you perceive me to be evil for teaching what the Messiah and the apostles taught, the Torah.

 

[stonesoffire]

Is not Jesus the Word of the Lord? So who is Torah?

The law is sin and death. We died with Jesus but that’s not the end for us, because we were raised with Him in new life. So being alive now, we do have a King on the throne of our heart, not just in heaven. We follow His Voice.

He is our Torah, not that we discard the scriptures, but we seek to see Jesus in them.

 

[cgneustar]

Lol/ The pharisee was considered righteous according to the law. Not breakers. When people said they had followed it. Jesus never called them liars. Paul, the pharisee of all pharisees said plainly. As a pharisee, he was faultless according to the law.

Thats why jesus said our righteousness must exceed theres. Because when it came to people who obeyed the law. No one could outdo the pharisee. No one.. Only Christ did.

It is indeed true that the Pharisees were observers of the Torah, but where they fell short in their obedience to the Torah were in weightier matters of the Torah, which was love for your neighbor by giving to the poor. So that is why our righteousness must exceed the righteousness of the Pharisees, not neglecting any of the lesser matters of the Torah, but also obeying the greater matters of the Torah, "you shall love your neighbor as yourself" and "if your brother becomes poor, you shall give to him sufficient for his need", which is "good works", which is why the Messiah taught, "sell your possessions and give to the poor". Yet if you live your life thinking the Torah has been abolished, or that you do not need to obey it, and that all you need to do is merely believe, then indeed your so called "righteousness" has fallen way shorter than the righteousness of the Pharisees, into "lawlessness", because you have discarded the many commands of God that they did obey that are written in the Torah. Mere belief is null without obedience to the commands of God in the Torah. You fool yourself into believing that you have attained any form of righteousness by mere belief without obedience to God and good works.

 

[stonesoffire]

Does not the new heart created in the image of the Son of God love to obey the Lord?

 

[cgneustar]

Does not the new heart created in the image of the Son of God love to obey the Lord?

Yes, but a heart of stone says, "we are not obligated to obey the Law of God".

 

[eternally-gratefull]

This is false. The Torah is the knowledge of sin, hence,

What then shall we say? That the Torah is sin? By no means! Yet if it had not been for the Torah, I would not have known sin. For I would not have known what it is to covet if the Torah had not said, “You shall not covet.”
Romans 7:7

The law gives you a limited amount of overt sins, and says do not do them.

You know nw many sins there are you can possibly do.

 

[cgneustar]

The law gives you a limited amount of overt sins, and says do not do them.

You know nw many sins there are you can possibly do.

The Torah is the revelation of ALL sin, which is why it has many commands, which is why it is called a "LAW", just as a nation has a series of "LAWS" that define everything that can be done or can not be done.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Which is why belief is also necessary, because mere perfect obedience to the Torah is not sufficient to attain perfection, it must also come with belief, belief in Yeshuah, which then, through obedience of the commands of the Torah that define sin, and through belief in Yeshuah, then a man receives the anointing of God, which perfects him and frees him from sin, and thus fulfills, "he who is born of God cannot sin" and "you have been set free from sin". Yet just as mere obedience to the Torah without belief in Yeshuah does not yield perfection, which is the case of many Jews, so in likewise manner belief in Yeshuah without obedience to the Torah does not yield perfection, which is the case of many "Christians", and in both cases, a man falls short of what is required to inherit the kingdom of God.

Um no, Belief is not enough. Even demons believe. No one will be saved based on the fact they just believe.

One who has faith in the law. Realises like paul did, that the law condemns them and points them to christ. Which was the purpose of the law . To lead us to christ by proving to us we are unworthy.

It appears it has failed to bring you to that point.

Your faith is in the law not Christ. Thats dangerous.