Did Jesus ever tell us that we no longer need to keep the law of Moses?

[eternally-gratefull]

We can, otherwise the scripture would not say "you have been set free from sin" and "he who is born of God cannot sin".

It set you free from the power of sin dude.

If you think you are sinless. You have no comprehenstion of what sin is. Remember, Adam and eve ate some fruit and the fall of mankind was the end result, If you think just because you do not go around and overtlyu murder people. And do not commit physical sexual sin you are sinless. you are just as decieved as the pharisees who thought the same thing.

 

[cgneustar]

Um no, Belief is not enough. Even demons believe. No one will be saved based on the fact they just believe.

One who has faith in the law. Realises like paul did, that the law condemns them and points them to christ. Which was the purpose of the law . To lead us to christ by proving to us we are unworthy.

It appears it has failed to bring you to that point.

Your faith is in the law not Christ. Thats dangerous.

The Torah condemns not because the Torah is evil, but because of the sin in us, which yields death through the command, because sin causes disobedience to the command, which is righteous, set-apart, and good. Yet if you discard the command, you condemn yourself, because you discard the manual of what not to do and what to do, which is why many believers will be cast out in the day of judgment, because of lawlessness, because they discard the law of God, which is the Torah.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Tell me, is a murderer that murders once a year better than a murderer who murders daily?

No

Tell me, Is a person who knows to do right yet does not do it any better than either of these two murderers?

Is a person who at a moment of time, decides he is going to do something which benefits self and does not go love someone else any better than those two?

Does a person who drives 5 miles over the speed limit because they are in a hurry any better than any other sinner?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Yet the Messiah taught, "sin no more" and "be perfect", and John also said, "he who is born of God cannot sin", and Paul said, "we have been set free from sin". So who is the liar, John, Paul, the Messiah, or you? I will dare say you, for lack of understanding and denial to one basic truth, "we must stop sinning from now and onwards".

Jesus said go and do not do that particular sin no more. (And notice, He did not say or else he would pull his forgiveness away)

When he said be perfect. He meant to be mature, or be made complete in him

He did not say go be sinless or else.

Whoever you have been listenign to has led you astray my friend.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The Torah is the knowledge of ALL sin.

Wrong not only is this wrong, it is impossible.

This is why even through the one story of the passage of Onan recorded in the Torah, where Onan spilled his seed to prevent conception, the Torah reveals that masturbation and all forms of contraception are sin, without needing to go into detail regarding every form of contraception that exists. You are unlearned regarding the Torah, which is why you first stated that the Torah is not the knowledge of sin, even though through scripture I proved that it is, and then you retracted and said that the Torah does not reveal every possible way of breaking the command, even though I just showed you an example of how one story of the Torah forbids ALL forms of contraception.

Who cares about this sin? I am talking EVERY-SIN.


The torah said do not commit adultry, but did not jesus have to correct the pharisee by telling them if they even looked at a lady with lust they have sinned (that is NOT FOUND in the torah!)

Can you tell me what sin is? What is your defenition of sin. Because I can see now. Yours and Gods defenition does not equal

 

[eternally-gratefull]

No, it is because of your lawlessness that you perceive me to be evil for teaching what the Messiah and the apostles taught, the Torah.

Um no

They did teach the torah, I have never denied this, so you have just sinned my firend!

They also put it in its place and showed us what it was. (Paul especially in Gal 3)

So you just sinned by slandering me with a false truth. Yet you claim to be sinless.

The the problem with people like you. In pride you think you are so righteous, yet your pride causes you to openly sin by slandering others every time, to expose your true self.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

It is indeed true that the Pharisees were observers of the Torah, but where they fell short in their obedience to the Torah were in weightier matters of the Torah, which was love for your neighbor by giving to the poor. So that is why our righteousness must exceed the righteousness of the Pharisees, not neglecting any of the lesser matters of the Torah, but also obeying the greater matters of the Torah, "you shall love your neighbor as yourself" and "if your brother becomes poor, you shall give to him sufficient for his need", which is "good works", which is why the Messiah taught, "sell your possessions and give to the poor". Yet if you live your life thinking the Torah has been abolished, or that you do not need to obey it, and that all you need to do is merely believe, then indeed your so called "righteousness" has fallen way shorter than the righteousness of the Pharisees, into "lawlessness", because you have discarded the many commands of God that they did obey that are written in the Torah. Mere belief is null without obedience to the commands of God in the Torah. You fool yourself into believing that you have attained any form of righteousness by mere belief without obedience to God and good works.

Lololol

Dude.

The by practice could not be shown to be breakers

In the spirit of the law. They were deep sinners.

Your focused on the letter. The spirit has escaped you like it did them/ Your focused on overt sins, and not what sin realy is.

 

[cgneustar]

No

Tell me, Is a person who knows to do right yet does not do it any better than either of these two murderers?

Is a person who at a moment of time, decides he is going to do something which benefits self and does not go love someone else any better than those two?

Does a person who drives 5 miles over the speed limit because they are in a hurry any better than any other sinner?

Precisely. Then in likewise manner a man that sins once a year is no better than a "habitual sinner" that sins daily. We are called to "stop sinning" from now and onwards, not sin less often. "He who is born of God cannot sin" implies no more sin, for that is the reason the Messiah came, not only to atone for sin, but to end sin, through his blood, which the blood of animal was never able to do. http://www.wisdomofgod.us/2019/01/11/perfection-through-belief-in-yeshuah-by-the-airflow-of-god/ .

 

[cgneustar]

Jesus said go and do not do that particular sin no more. (And notice, He did not say or else he would pull his forgiveness away)

When he said be perfect. He meant to be mature, or be made complete in him

He did not say go be sinless or else.

Whoever you have been listenign to has led you astray my friend.

"Sin no more" means precisely that, "sin no more", not "don't sin so often".

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Yes, but a heart of stone says, "we are not obligated to obey the Law of God".

The heart of God says it is IMPOSSIBLE to follow the law of God. Thats why it got on its knees and cried out to God, oh save a sinner like me, I place myself in your mercy.

You can not repent until you do what the law was intended to you and bring you to your knees, Until then, you placed under the curse that not even the jews could follow. A burden that no man can handle.

THEN God loves them, and gives them the capacity to love others. But it takes YEARS of maturing in christ and going through disicpliship and teaching nto be to the point you can even be half as mature as Christ was.

 

[Dino246]

I asked him to clarify things, and asked him plainly if he agrees or disagrees with the following statement, "we must stop sinning from now and onwards", yet he refused to answer, because he knows he disagrees with the statement, as do you I perceive. If I am mistaken, then by all means, clarify for us if you agree or disagree with that statement. But I already suspect you do, and just as him, will refuse to answer.

Again you make up lies to support your position.

 

[Locoponydirtman]

I'm not a law-keeper, but I still haven't found a single piece of evidence -- in the Gospels -- that Jesus ever told us to stop keeping the Law. Should we rely solely on what Paul said?

Jesus said, “Are you still lacking in understanding also? Do you not understand that everything that goes into the mouth passes into the stomach, and is eliminated? But the things that proceed out of the mouth come from the heart, and those defile the man. For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, slanders. These are the things which defile the man; but to eat with unwashed hands does not defile the man.”
MATTHEW 15:16‭-‬20 NASB

But He said to them, “Have you not read what David did when he became hungry, he and his companions, how he entered the house of God, and they ate the consecrated bread, which was not lawful for him to eat nor for those with him, but for the priests alone? Or have you not read in the Law, that on the Sabbath the priests in the temple break the Sabbath and are innocent? But I say to you that something greater than the temple is here. But if you had known what this means, ‘I desire compassion , and not a sacrifice ,’ you would not have condemned the innocent. For the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath.”
MATTHEW 12:3‭-‬8 NASB

This is the essence of the law and How Jesus approached and taught about the law.
The dietary laws brushed aside for the law of the heart, and the Sabbath day being under Jesus because he is Lord of the Sabbath and that the priests in the temple don't break the Sabbath because they are in the temple, but Christ is greater than the temple. What does this mean to him who is in Christ who is both greater than the temple and Lord of the Sabbath?
I think Jesus clearly taught that the "law" was coming to an end, because he fulfills the law. As the law was a foreshadow of Christ.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The Torah condemns not because the Torah is evil, but because of the sin in us, which yields death through the command, because sin causes disobedience to the command, which is righteous, set-apart, and good. Yet if you discard the command, you condemn yourself, because you discard the manual of what not to do and what to do, which is why many believers will be cast out in the day of judgment, because of lawlessness, because they discard the law of God, which is the Torah.

The torah condems because that was the purpose it was given. Because we can not keep it. Just one sin, no matter how small. Makes us guilty of the law

What was requried to restore us?

The law showed us that too. Animal sacrifice.

Do you have a priest that goes once a year to sacrifice for you? If not, Your doomed as long as you look to the law for salvation.

And lets be honest, Even if you were, Your doomed, Because the blood of bulls and goats can never take away sin. Your dead in your sin if you do not come to christ.

 

[Dino246]

Tell me, is a murderer that murders once a year better than a murderer who murders daily?

Tell me, is this how you justify your sin?

 

[cgneustar]

Um no

They did teach the torah, I have never denied this, so you have just sinned my firend!

They also put it in its place and showed us what it was. (Paul especially in Gal 3)

So you just sinned by slandering me with a false truth. Yet you claim to be sinless.

The the problem with people like you. In pride you think you are so righteous, yet your pride causes you to openly sin by slandering others every time, to expose your true self.

Then by all means, clarify to us that you stand firm in the truth, must the Torah still be obeyed today, yes or no?

 

[Dino246]

"Sin no more" means precisely that, "sin no more", not "don't sin so often".

So why do YOU keep sinning by making up lies about me?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Precisely. Then in likewise manner a man that sins once a year is no better than a "habitual sinner" that sins daily. We are called to "stop sinning" from now and onwards, not sin less often. "He who is born of God cannot sin" implies no more sin, for that is the reason the Messiah came, not only to atone for sin, but to end sin, through his blood, which the blood of animal was never able to do. http://www.wisdomofgod.us/2019/01/11/perfection-through-belief-in-yeshuah-by-the-airflow-of-god/ .

So a baby christian who is just born again is perfect from that time forward.

Dude you have alot to learn.

Your right, They are all as guilty. Thats why ever moment of every day we must rely on the forgiveness which is in christ, Otherwise we will be lost, hopeless people who will just fall back in sin, because we eaither have to lie to ourselves (like you are doing) or give up. Why keep trying what it impossible.

Or learn to grow in grace and forgiveness as paul taught.

 

[cgneustar]

The heart of God says it is IMPOSSIBLE to follow the law of God. Thats why it got on its knees and cried out to God, oh save a sinner like me, I place myself in your mercy.

You can not repent until you do what the law was intended to you and bring you to your knees, Until then, you placed under the curse that not even the jews could follow. A burden that no man can handle.

THEN God loves them, and gives them the capacity to love others. But it takes YEARS of maturing in christ and going through disicpliship and teaching nto be to the point you can even be half as mature as Christ was.

No, the scriptures tell us that by the airflow of God we can have sin in the inward man cut away, which is what the circumcision of the heart is, through obedience to the commands of God and belief in Yeshuah. Yet if you believe the Torah has been done away with, and believe you are not required to stop sinning, your own deception prevents you from receiving the airflow that brings perfection that is thus required to inherit the kingdom of God.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

"Sin no more" means precisely that, "sin no more", not "don't sin so often".

She was accused of a particular sin

Jesus showed he even though the law condemned her and according to the law she shoudl be stoned, He was above the law and could forgive her.

Then he did what anyone would do. TOld her to go and do not do THAT SIN no more.

He never said if she did, she would lose her forgiveness.

And he never told her to go and never commit any kind of sin ever again, Thats your faulty reasoning which is not found in scripture. And is impossible

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Again you make up lies to support your position.

It seem to be there norm,, They love to preach perfection. Yet prove almost immediately how utterly sinful they are.