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Yes people have claimed they can truly know Jesus and have no compunction how they live,
rather to suggest they do is actually to be trying to be righteous rather than let God do it.
What I find interesting is you seem very sensitive to suggesting this is not an outflow of being
in the Lord?
Someone preached a sermon today, which implied as a child we are in the tree of life, and
God is saying He will catch us if we fall and we can there trust Him.
It is interesting because as a tree climber, I know the risks are real, and I want someone who
knows how to climb to guide me through the safe route. I do not expect them to guarantee
it does not matter how I climb, because that is simply denying the reality of being in a tree,
which is just saying it is all an illusion, and there are no consequences to our actions.
Paul says how we live matters, and has consequences
3 But among you there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of any kind of impurity,
or of greed, because these are improper for God's holy people.
4 Nor should there be obscenity, foolish talk or coarse joking, which are out of place, but rather thanksgiving.
5 For of this you can be sure: No immoral, impure or greedy person--such a man is an idolater--
has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
6 Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God's wrath comes on
those who are disobedient.
Eph 5
such a man.....has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
This is not a passive, walk how you like view of Christ, this is there is a path, and be sure how and why
we need to all walk it. It is amazing how easily people dismiss these principles like they are just
legalism spoken by condemners who desire to lead people to hell.
So I wonder where you stand on this, because it appears to me, you are showing resistance to the path
and the way of God?
Now we are talking pure sin here, sexual immorality, desire for wealth, being obscene, coarse and without
regard for others, not over sensitivity in not being rude, or upsetting others by not giving them enough
attention, or failing to put enough effort in to something so it fails in some level.
rather to suggest they do is actually to be trying to be righteous rather than let God do it.
What I find interesting is you seem very sensitive to suggesting this is not an outflow of being
in the Lord?
Someone preached a sermon today, which implied as a child we are in the tree of life, and
God is saying He will catch us if we fall and we can there trust Him.
It is interesting because as a tree climber, I know the risks are real, and I want someone who
knows how to climb to guide me through the safe route. I do not expect them to guarantee
it does not matter how I climb, because that is simply denying the reality of being in a tree,
which is just saying it is all an illusion, and there are no consequences to our actions.
Paul says how we live matters, and has consequences
3 But among you there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of any kind of impurity,
or of greed, because these are improper for God's holy people.
4 Nor should there be obscenity, foolish talk or coarse joking, which are out of place, but rather thanksgiving.
5 For of this you can be sure: No immoral, impure or greedy person--such a man is an idolater--
has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
6 Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God's wrath comes on
those who are disobedient.
Eph 5
such a man.....has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
This is not a passive, walk how you like view of Christ, this is there is a path, and be sure how and why
we need to all walk it. It is amazing how easily people dismiss these principles like they are just
legalism spoken by condemners who desire to lead people to hell.
So I wonder where you stand on this, because it appears to me, you are showing resistance to the path
and the way of God?
Now we are talking pure sin here, sexual immorality, desire for wealth, being obscene, coarse and without
regard for others, not over sensitivity in not being rude, or upsetting others by not giving them enough
attention, or failing to put enough effort in to something so it fails in some level.
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I wish above all things, that the grace you claim to posses, would be real enough to realise,
I am quoting just the words of God calling us to His walk and His way, which you are describing
as drivel.
The fear is not only are you opposing the word of God, you are proposing rebellion against Gods
ways is not sinful and is the essence of the enemies of God Himself.
Obviously those with a heart of flesh and know what loving others truly means, and how the gospel
brings hope and healing to hearts that desire to know Gods love in their Hearts, simply rejoice in the
words that celebrate this reality. If anyone opposes the sharing of love and good works, they are not
following Gods ways, or Jesus's example. What would you say to a church of believers who share, love
and support one another, that they are deceived and lost doomed to hell, or testifying to the power of
the Holy Spirit working in their hearts to the praise of His Name?
Amen, thank you Jesus that you bring this reality to your people in country after country, fellowship after
fellowship, Praise the Lord.
I am quoting just the words of God calling us to His walk and His way, which you are describing
as drivel.
The fear is not only are you opposing the word of God, you are proposing rebellion against Gods
ways is not sinful and is the essence of the enemies of God Himself.
Obviously those with a heart of flesh and know what loving others truly means, and how the gospel
brings hope and healing to hearts that desire to know Gods love in their Hearts, simply rejoice in the
words that celebrate this reality. If anyone opposes the sharing of love and good works, they are not
following Gods ways, or Jesus's example. What would you say to a church of believers who share, love
and support one another, that they are deceived and lost doomed to hell, or testifying to the power of
the Holy Spirit working in their hearts to the praise of His Name?
Amen, thank you Jesus that you bring this reality to your people in country after country, fellowship after
fellowship, Praise the Lord.
And my brothers and sisters, we are called to follow Pauls example
10 You are witnesses, and so is God, of how holy, righteous and blameless we were among you who believed.
1 thess 2
The lie that is spoken is this is impossible, but what this testifies to in many is they
do not have the faith God can bring this about in their hearts.
If one does not have this faith, one does not have faith at all in the cross.
This is the whole point of the cross and Jesus walking on earth to show it is possible,
we have no excuses in Him. Until people start taking it seriously and getting straight
before God, there will not be revival or a big work of God, because those who claim to
know God know only religion and pretending to follow while openly accepting defeat
and evil as if that is our inheritance in Christ.
10 You are witnesses, and so is God, of how holy, righteous and blameless we were among you who believed.
1 thess 2
The lie that is spoken is this is impossible, but what this testifies to in many is they
do not have the faith God can bring this about in their hearts.
If one does not have this faith, one does not have faith at all in the cross.
This is the whole point of the cross and Jesus walking on earth to show it is possible,
we have no excuses in Him. Until people start taking it seriously and getting straight
before God, there will not be revival or a big work of God, because those who claim to
know God know only religion and pretending to follow while openly accepting defeat
and evil as if that is our inheritance in Christ.
Why the long response to a simple question?
Has anyone told you that joke?
Nope not at all. I am sensitive and have often been slated for it.
I don't view Jesus as passive but pro-active. You suggest differently.
You post Bible verses, the big ones per the Bible as if I believe that those who claim to be in Jesus can do such things.
That's what you claim yet alas you do not question if thats what I believe or what others believe.
I have no resistance to the path of God but I would say that you have a resistance.
Legalism condemns, not those under the legalism but those who preach it.
My long response to yours.
Has anyone told you that joke?
Nope not at all. I am sensitive and have often been slated for it.
I don't view Jesus as passive but pro-active. You suggest differently.
You post Bible verses, the big ones per the Bible as if I believe that those who claim to be in Jesus can do such things.
That's what you claim yet alas you do not question if thats what I believe or what others believe.
I have no resistance to the path of God but I would say that you have a resistance.
Legalism condemns, not those under the legalism but those who preach it.
My long response to yours.
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Unfortunately I now see our problem.
I think we all have our jumps of logic, because it makes each step possible.
I take a simple view. Knowing Jesus means we are chosen, we are surrendered, humble,
called, disciplined, directed, focused, aimed at defined goals and destination.
I have learnt something that was very wise. We define what something is by the best
example we know of this thing, not by the worst examples of it. The worst examples show
us what not to do, except it is only the strengths of a walk that show us its foundations and
victories.
Many excuse everything because of weakness, failure and the desire to help the weak, which
a loving heart always desires to meet. But the father of the prodigal son rejoice when he
returned under no conditions, prepared to accept anything as better than what he had.
If we compromise we are lost, and have lost what love and purity is, and what sin does to
everything, over time, which God totally rejects.
I can only say the best, the light, the victory, the overcoming, the joy and the glory God pours
on us as we walk in His ways. Amen.
I think we all have our jumps of logic, because it makes each step possible.
I take a simple view. Knowing Jesus means we are chosen, we are surrendered, humble,
called, disciplined, directed, focused, aimed at defined goals and destination.
I have learnt something that was very wise. We define what something is by the best
example we know of this thing, not by the worst examples of it. The worst examples show
us what not to do, except it is only the strengths of a walk that show us its foundations and
victories.
Many excuse everything because of weakness, failure and the desire to help the weak, which
a loving heart always desires to meet. But the father of the prodigal son rejoice when he
returned under no conditions, prepared to accept anything as better than what he had.
If we compromise we are lost, and have lost what love and purity is, and what sin does to
everything, over time, which God totally rejects.
I can only say the best, the light, the victory, the overcoming, the joy and the glory God pours
on us as we walk in His ways. Amen.
Yes. I am a saint following Jesus, still open and learning, so there are always challenges
and problems.
And I rejoice in the exploration and discovery of new contacts and fellowship to have with others.
And I discover all the time, a simple word spoken and shared is taken in a way I did not expect,
which means I must always share and speak more, so the light of love can be seen more clearly in
this dark hidden world, thank you Jesus you empower us to walk this way.
and problems.
And I rejoice in the exploration and discovery of new contacts and fellowship to have with others.
And I discover all the time, a simple word spoken and shared is taken in a way I did not expect,
which means I must always share and speak more, so the light of love can be seen more clearly in
this dark hidden world, thank you Jesus you empower us to walk this way.
I have met believers who claim they do not want to be like Jesus or that He expects this.
I am not here to say they are not believers, but to say this is Gods desire for us, and show
where He declares this.
And when I came to Jesus this has been my heart, no matter how vast the difference is between
me and Him, because I know He is the Way, the Truth and the Life.
I am not here to say they are not believers, but to say this is Gods desire for us, and show
where He declares this.
And when I came to Jesus this has been my heart, no matter how vast the difference is between
me and Him, because I know He is the Way, the Truth and the Life.
Adventure
Carry ones cross daily.
I have found one truth stunningly true. Pushing forward, sharing from the heart, being open
and honest, being clear and direct, costs but leads to new insights, growth and discovery in
Christ.
Peter was in prison, likely to die, as he witnessed to Jesus. He knew only to praise the Lord,
and the Lord would do as He deemed necessary. An angel appeared and led him into the
street, not because Peter expected this, but because it was Gods will.
This is why we can have no expectations but just to commit our ways to Him in praise and
thanks to His glorious name. And the more I learn the more His love works deeper in my heart.
Praise the Lord.
Carry ones cross daily.
I have found one truth stunningly true. Pushing forward, sharing from the heart, being open
and honest, being clear and direct, costs but leads to new insights, growth and discovery in
Christ.
Peter was in prison, likely to die, as he witnessed to Jesus. He knew only to praise the Lord,
and the Lord would do as He deemed necessary. An angel appeared and led him into the
street, not because Peter expected this, but because it was Gods will.
This is why we can have no expectations but just to commit our ways to Him in praise and
thanks to His glorious name. And the more I learn the more His love works deeper in my heart.
Praise the Lord.