Some truth about speaking in tongues, the Holy Ghost, spiritual gifts and 1 Corinthians 14

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And the oil is the Holy Spirit and to keep one's lamp (vessel) topped up one needs to be praying in the Holy Spirit (tongues) daily.
Yes and more also.
There is a depth in God,in fellowship and intimacy.
The doorway,i suppose,could be tongues,but for me it is worship.
I experience such a depth in God thriugh the annointing in intimate worship and adoration.
In the vid, towards the end, he takes off in worship in tongues.
 
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You have been shown multiple times that you lack understanding of the historical record.
God says ask and it will be given, seek and you shall find. Maybe you should try that.
Yep.
He was shown that 1901 stuff is a pure lie.
Since he insists on lying ,i feel i can not continue with him.
If truth is that cheap,that he can trample it and actually pursue lies,then his soul needs prayer.
 

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And the oil is the Holy Spirit and to keep one's lamp (vessel) topped up one needs to be praying in the Holy Spirit (tongues) daily.
Wrong inference and unsound reading of the scripture. Completly wrong conclusion and application.

For the cause of Christ
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In simple terms you're welcome to stay on that topic as long as you like.

I'll try one more time to convey a few basic concepts on this particular topic, then I intend to move on to answering the 2nd half of what I'd promised the room.

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I was asking God about something that I couldn't find directly stated in the bible. Basically, I could see a list of purposes similar to the ones you have been providing, but not a statement of singular purpose that answered the question I was asking. THAT is why I needed to ask. And to be further specific, i was asking about the purpose from man's perspective. (in other words, not what God was going to get out of it, but what man is).

So, when a man asks "What is the purpose of this life?" (Or to say it in more common but less accurate wording "Why am i here?") The answer = "To choose".

I'm not attempting to provide a direct Bible quote stating it because , again, I was asking the truth about a topic not stated verbatim in the bible.

I'm not flooding the thread with scriptures because 1) the examples of man being given choice and even commanded to choose are throughout the bible (and you yourself recently added choice to your list of purposes) and 1a) Berean-ish people will find them as they search. 2) they wouldn't be the verbatim statement of question/answer that you seem to require and I've already acknowledged likely isn't verbatim quotable and 3) I don't see how posting 20, 50 or 100 biblical references to man having choice would change your understanding.

Additional information:
There are some related scriptures that pretty much guarantee you won't understand... unless you decide to adjust yourself to them in the positive way. They are:

Luke 16:10 KJV
He that is faithful in that which is least is faithful also in much: and he that is unjust in the least is unjust also in much.

John 9:40-41 KJV
And some of the Pharisees which were with him heard these words, and said unto him, Are we blind also? [41] Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth.

Proverbs 15:33 KJV
...before honour is humility.

All the Pharisees had to do in order to be freed from the consequences of their blindness was to admit they had it. but their pride (need to be right) kept them from admitting any fault.

The same has been happening here. When I showed you the error in thinking that the purpose of man's life on earth was "to love Him with all our heart, mind, soul and body" did you admit any error? Not so far as I've seen. Why? because of Luke 16:10 and the fact that when a least thing (changing a plural to a singular) was pointed out to you, you also chose to avoid admitting any error.

Out of respect, I'm not going to post a response to posting #1759 unless you specifically request that I do.


Continually, Love in Jesus,
Kelby

If God told you something, especially something foundational like the purpose of life, and it wasn't in Scripture,("I was asking God something not directly found in the Bible) then it carries the same weight as Scripture and it should be added to the Bible.

That's how inspired Scripture was written. God told the authors what to write. So now YOU come along and say "God told me X" THAT MAKES it Scripture! So either what He told you with a voice is the inspired Word of God, OR IT ISN'T!! Do you not see the MASSIVE problem with this?
 

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God Himself chose to pour His Spirit into the Jews in the upper room and later into the Gentiles in Acts 10:44-48. Speaking in tongues was the evidence of the infilling of God's Spirit in both cases.

The Samaritans who are half Jewish and half Gentile, and the Ephesus disciples received the Holy Ghost both through the laying on of hands by other disciples. The record of the disciples of Ephesus specifies that speaking in tongues occurred. (Acts 19:1-6) Whereas, the Samaritan experience of speaking in tongues is implied. (Acts 8:18)

The bible record clearly shows that after the initial infilling of Jews and Gentiles, individual's received the Holy Ghost through the laying on of hands. Also, Luke 11:9-13 states that if one asks for the gift of the Holy Ghost God will give it in answer to their prayer.

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You have been shown multiple times that you lack understanding of the historical record.
God says ask and it will be given, seek and you shall find. Maybe you should try that.
Well, i like american history very much, but i better know german history. The pentecostal teaching came to germany in 1907. Before this teaching was not found in germany. Non of the freechurch denominations which are the contrast to the RCC and Protestant churches in their biblical view taught and practised this.
So according your statement, that a infilled believer speakes in tongue as sign for it, we had before 1907 no with the Holy Spirit filled/ baptised believer in germany.
Of course I write the same and in your eyes i may be stubborn. But what to do? You cant Show me that this was taught in the bible to other believers and it was also not taught in the churchhistory, except from cults like montanism ore irvingians, mormons and new apostolic church.
If you can show me in the bible that this was taught to believers I would believe it.
You even seems not to recognize that people received the Holy Spirit without speaking in tongues. Ore can be filled with the Holy Spirit without speaking in tongues.
 
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This is some twisted theology!
It seems from my understanding to be doing the work of self edification? What's the limit? Falling back slain by the Holy Spirit as dead in one trespasses and sins? That kind of a sign that points to un-belief. (No faith coming from hearing God) I would think that would not be the kind of faith that edifies God.

Can't serve two edifying masters? The clay and the Potter. That seen the temporal, and than not seen the eternal.

2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.
 

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If God told you something, especially something foundational like the purpose of life, and it wasn't in Scripture,("I was asking God something not directly found in the Bible) then it carries the same weight as Scripture and it should be added to the Bible.

That's how inspired Scripture was written. God told the authors what to write. So now YOU come along and say "God told me X" THAT MAKES it Scripture! So either what He told you with a voice is the inspired Word of God, OR IT ISN'T!! Do you not see the MASSIVE problem with this?
Yes, I see several problems. And again, they are not problems with the scripture but rather problems of wrong/incomplete interpretation and application.

Until yesterday I thought the meaning of the word "hypocrisy" was "to require of someone else a thing that we don't do ourselves". But when I googled it, I discovered that it means "the practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform; pretense."

And before anyone claims I'm being accusatory, let me clarify that I think we all exhibit some degree of hypocrisy. So I'm not blaming others while claiming innocence. But I do think hypocrisy is bad and we should identify and eliminate it from our lives where possible.

Please re-read the following quote (I removed the parts that refer to something I'd said, so only the underlying principle remains)
If God told you something, especially something foundational, and it wasn't in Scripture, then it carries the same weight as Scripture and it should be added to the Bible.
Should we consider THAT statement to be "something foundational"? If you say "Yes", then I think it should be scrutinized by its own criteria to see if it is truth before trusting it (no matter how good it sounds). If you say "No" then it's not so important as to have MASSIVE consequences if we disregard it. So let's examine it using your statement.

Is that statement "in the Scripture"? Nope. (If it is, please copy/paste) For one thing, "the Bible" is never even mentioned in the scriptures. Nor is it prophesied in the scriptures that there will be a gathering together of all truth into one book. But, in fact, the scriptures reference several other books that aren't in "the bible" (Joshua 10:13, Numbers 21:14,2 Samuel 1:18, 1 Kings 11:41, 1 Chronicles 29:29, 2 Chronicles 9:29, 2 Chronicles 13:22, etc) and tells us and gives examples of other ways God will speak to his people (dreams, visions, speaking directly to us, prophesying, etc... not all of which are recorded in the bible). Neither do the scriptures mention some group of men who will decide which books and letters should be included/excluded and to trust their judgement as final, absolute and all-inclusive. It does however teach us to "prove all things" and "hold fast that which is good" which applies to all teachings (including your quoted statement) and all the dreams, visions, speaking directly, prophesying, etc equally. Also the Scriptures tell us that if all the truth were written down, even if only of what Jesus did, it is likely that the world itself could not contain the books that should be written-John 21:25

Does your statement "carry the same weight as Scripture"? Nope. I don't think so. It would be interesting if you answered "Yes" on this one because that would mean your quote "should be added to the bible" (according to your quote).

Did God tell you that statement? Well, you've never claimed he did, so I'm going with "No" again on this one. So, unless you provide it as a direct quote from scripture, your statement fails the tests of your own statement. That's why I don't feel intimidated by it.

I hope that was thorough but not harsh.

As for this part:
That's how inspired Scripture was written. God told the authors what to write. So now YOU come along and say "God told me X" THAT MAKES it Scripture! So either what He told you with a voice is the inspired Word of God, OR IT ISN'T!! Do you not see the MASSIVE problem with this?
I never said "God told me to write it". . What I did say was that God answered me, and now I'm sharing it according to the commandment "What I tell you in darkness, that speak ye in light: and what ye hear in the ear, that preach ye upon the housetops." (Matthew 10:27 KJV)

The part highlighted as bold is distinctly correct. <-- that's what proving is all about. And I encourage everyone to ask God about it then pray, read, fast, sing and continue to seek and serve God until he makes the answer known to you...(He'll show you how it or isn't demonstrated throughout the scriptures) rather than to trust a faulty test such as the first part of your post. That way people's eyes and trust are on God, not man. And while your waiting on God to answer, you're not obliged to treat it as if it is scripture. Problem solved. Praise to be given to God :)

Love in Jesus,
Kelby
 

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Oops..typo. it should have said "how it is or isn't demonstrated..."

Love in Jesus,
Kelby
 

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Yes, I see several problems. And again, they are not problems with the scripture but rather problems of wrong/incomplete interpretation and application.

Until yesterday I thought the meaning of the word "hypocrisy" was "to require of someone else a thing that we don't do ourselves". But when I googled it, I discovered that it means "the practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform; pretense."

And before anyone claims I'm being accusatory, let me clarify that I think we all exhibit some degree of hypocrisy. So I'm not blaming others while claiming innocence. But I do think hypocrisy is bad and we should identify and eliminate it from our lives where possible.

Please re-read the following quote (I removed the parts that refer to something I'd said, so only the underlying principle remains)
Should we consider THAT statement to be "something foundational"? If you say "Yes", then I think it should be scrutinized by its own criteria to see if it is truth before trusting it (no matter how good it sounds). If you say "No" then it's not so important as to have MASSIVE consequences if we disregard it. So let's examine it using your statement.

Is that statement "in the Scripture"? Nope. (If it is, please copy/paste) For one thing, "the Bible" is never even mentioned in the scriptures. Nor is it prophesied in the scriptures that there will be a gathering together of all truth into one book. But, in fact, the scriptures reference several other books that aren't in "the bible" (Joshua 10:13, Numbers 21:14,2 Samuel 1:18, 1 Kings 11:41, 1 Chronicles 29:29, 2 Chronicles 9:29, 2 Chronicles 13:22, etc) and tells us and gives examples of other ways God will speak to his people (dreams, visions, speaking directly to us, prophesying, etc... not all of which are recorded in the bible). Neither do the scriptures mention some group of men who will decide which books and letters should be included/excluded and to trust their judgement as final, absolute and all-inclusive. It does however teach us to "prove all things" and "hold fast that which is good" which applies to all teachings (including your quoted statement) and all the dreams, visions, speaking directly, prophesying, etc equally. Also the Scriptures tell us that if all the truth were written down, even if only of what Jesus did, it is likely that the world itself could not contain the books that should be written-John 21:25

Does your statement "carry the same weight as Scripture"? Nope. I don't think so. It would be interesting if you answered "Yes" on this one because that would mean your quote "should be added to the bible" (according to your quote).

Did God tell you that statement? Well, you've never claimed he did, so I'm going with "No" again on this one. So, unless you provide it as a direct quote from scripture, your statement fails the tests of your own statement. That's why I don't feel intimidated by it.

I hope that was thorough but not harsh.

As for this part:


I never said "God told me to write it". . What I did say was that God answered me, and now I'm sharing it according to the commandment "What I tell you in darkness, that speak ye in light: and what ye hear in the ear, that preach ye upon the housetops." (Matthew 10:27 KJV)

The part highlighted as bold is distinctly correct. <-- that's what proving is all about. And I encourage everyone to ask God about it then pray, read, fast, sing and continue to seek and serve God until he makes the answer known to you...(He'll show you how it or isn't demonstrated throughout the scriptures) rather than to trust a faulty test such as the first part of your post. That way people's eyes and trust are on God, not man. And while your waiting on God to answer, you're not obliged to treat it as if it is scripture. Problem solved. Praise to be given to God :)

Love in Jesus,
Kelby
Your posts are getting darker and darker. The light of the Word needs to shine on them:

John 1 New King James Version (NKJV)
The Eternal Word
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. 4 In Him was life, and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.
John 10:27
27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. WE KNOW HOW TO FOLLOW HIM BY HIS WORD.


JESUS IS THE WORD! He is complete, and His Word is complete.

2 Timothy 3:16-17 New King James Version (NKJV)
16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for [a]instruction in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.

Jude 3
Judgment on False Teachers

3 Beloved, although I was very eager to write to you about our common salvation, I found it necessary to write appealing to you to contend for the faith that was ONCE FOR ALL delivered to the saints.

2 Peter 1:21
21 For no prophecy was EVER produced by the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.

Colossians 2:8
8 See to it that no one takes you captive by philosophy and empty deceit, according to human tradition, according to the elemental spirits of the world, and not according to Christ.


The above verses prove that if you got a word from God, it should be part of canon or it wasn't from God. And since Christ, the Word is complete, any word given to you that is not already in Scripture is NOT from Him.

If you want to hear the voice of God, read the Bible. If you want to hear the Word of God audibly, READ THE BIBLE OUT LOUD!
 

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Gosh. If I can make you happy with a simple like, have a "winner" badge on me!
On a different note, I should have told you this earlier. Your note here to Absolutely was one of the friendliest and funniest postings I've seen. :)

Love in Jesus,
Kelby
 

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Your posts are getting darker and darker. The light of the Word needs to shine on them:

John 1 New King James Version (NKJV)
The Eternal Word
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. 4 In Him was life, and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.
John 10:27
27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. WE KNOW HOW TO FOLLOW HIM BY HIS WORD.


JESUS IS THE WORD! He is complete, and His Word is complete.

2 Timothy 3:16-17 New King James Version (NKJV)
16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for [a]instruction in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.

Jude 3
Judgment on False Teachers

3 Beloved, although I was very eager to write to you about our common salvation, I found it necessary to write appealing to you to contend for the faith that was ONCE FOR ALL delivered to the saints.

2 Peter 1:21
21 For no prophecy was EVER produced by the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.

Colossians 2:8
8 See to it that no one takes you captive by philosophy and empty deceit, according to human tradition, according to the elemental spirits of the world, and not according to Christ.


The above verses prove that if you got a word from God, it should be part of canon or it wasn't from God. And since Christ, the Word is complete, any word given to you that is not already in Scripture is NOT from Him.

If you want to hear the voice of God, read the Bible. If you want to hear the Word of God audibly, READ THE BIBLE OUT LOUD!
My post wasn't dark.

In simple terms you currently believe that God does not speak outside of the pages of the bible, while I believe that God also speaks through the other methods described in the pages of the bible.

From my perspective, so far, when you've presented a statement that appears to me as incorrect, even if it's widely held and on face value seems correct, I take it apart to see if it actually makes sense. Then I re-present the parts...those that make sense without much explanation (because of agreement)... and those that don't make sense with an explanation as to how and why I disagree.

To be honest, that's how God taught me as I'd read and try to apply his word. When I felt it didn't work, I'd take it to prayer and ask what went wrong. Before long he'd show me how I'd made some small, incorrect assumption about his word that had a larger impact than I thought it would. (Similar to the small error of changing "choose" to "make a choice" in post #1,737) That's why I break things apart the way I do... to find the small errors where mistakes begin.

I would do that again with the quoted posting, but you refer to that method as dark instead of as being spoken clearly or as being enlightening. So I'll not answer this quote that way. (unless you request it, of course)

I do have two questions from a curiosity standpoint. First...Which bible version are you quoting from? (oops.. I just reviewed and noticed the NKJV) Second...May I ask what church group you gather with? My guess would be Baptists because the teachings are similar to what I'd heard as a youth, but I'm not fond of assumptions.

Love in Jesus,
Kelby
 

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And the oil is the Holy Spirit and to keep one's lamp (vessel) topped up one needs to be praying in the Holy Spirit (tongues) daily.
Hi Waggles. :)

I'll share what I've been considering since asking what the "vessels with our lamps" are.

If our individual lamp is a vessel, then so is every lamp (also belonging to an individual) around us. That means their lamps are vessels with (around, near, beside) us.... into which we are to put oil (prayer) and bring them with us (support and protect them) as we await the marriage.

Food for thought.

Love in Jesus,
Kelby
 

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I just like this song and thought I'd share. Please don't read too much into it. And I like "Be Still" perhaps even better.

Love in Jesus,
Kelby
 

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But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.
2Corinthians 4:7
the most excellent description of the Spirit-filled Pentecostal disciple
 

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But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.
2Corinthians 4:7
the most excellent description of the Spirit-filled Pentecostal disciple
That's a beautiful verse indeed.

And as for your comment....gotta love your boldness in Jesus. :)

Love ya Brother,
Kelby
 

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writing about being bold !!
Romans 8:9
(DRB) But you are not in the flesh, but the spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
(ESV) You, however, are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God dwells in you. Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him.
 

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Yep.
He was shown that 1901 stuff is a pure lie.
Since he insists on lying ,i feel i can not continue with him.
If truth is that cheap,that he can trample it and actually pursue lies,then his soul needs prayer.
If what I said is a lie, then please give me scripture where this was taught.
I mean not where it was mentioned that there was tounge speaking.
I mean, where was it was taught and practised that speaking in tongues is the sign that someone recieved the Holy Spirit ore is filled with the Holy Spirit.
In Bible i dont find it taught to others and also in churchhistory it was not taught ore claimed. Show me where, before you call me a liar.
 
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This explaines not that before 1901 you cant find this teaching realized.
That means that people before 1901 was not infilled with the Holy Spirit.
Even though that stupidity was properly routed and debunked you still pull it out like it has merit. That means you embrace lies. You invest in,and promote lies.
That is a religiin of its own. Willful deception is a form of insanity.
We will label this phenomenon as "Invincible ignorance"
A learned ignorance.
Complete with followers and incubators
 
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If what I said is a lie, then please give me scripture where this was taught.
I mean not where it was mentioned that there was tounge speaking.
I mean, where was it was taught and practised that speaking in tongues is the sign that someone recieved the Holy Spirit ore is filled with the Holy Spirit.
In Bible i dont find it taught to others and also in churchhistory it was not taught ore claimed. Show me where, before you call me a liar.
We did.
My truth quest through google took about 2 minutes.
Posted it just for you.
Others did the same.

You are dug in. Won't open your eyes.
Parked at the intersection of lies and deception.
It is a religious spirit.
Invincible ignorance is a product,not a root.
Your error is 1) your starting place 2) your continuance in that boggus blind leading the blind.

You chose it,pursued it,and have arrived into it.