APOTHEOSIS

[Didymous]

GENTILE world power that never was a so called Christian nation..........

We knew it from the beginning. NDNs, that is.

 

[UnderGrace]

this GENTILE world power that never was a so called Christian nation..........

Nope it never was...it just used some of the principles of the Christianity

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Depends upon what level of proof you need...I think it would be more a matter of evidence than proof, but I can try.

What I do not want is hearsay or conspiracy theory I think we get anough of that.

Proof is evidence..

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Well then we would have error refuting error....however when one considers audience relevance and the time stamps and scripture interpreting scripture, Azam's interpretation seems to follow this more closely.

Again, It is all my view and his view and another view.

I have considered audience relevance, Historical significants, and about every ounce of things I have seen (not saying I have seen it all. Thats why my mind is still open) and I still come up with a different view. So who is right?

I know this, We will find out when we get to heaven. We may find out we were all wrong. And then how STUPID are we going to feel when we talk the way we do to others about this non salvic topic?

 

[dcontroversal]

I would estimate that there will be a syncretistic chimera of sorts aggregating the various world religions that will manifest itself via a UFO/ET deception claiming that they are in fact the "gods" of old (this is the strong delusion). The man of sin will be openly promoted to be the god-man of the new glorious age.

Then all hell breaks loose.

I have no problem seeing this used in some form or fashion to lead humanity further into the deception that is coming.......

 

[dcontroversal]

I started to go down that path at looking deeper into America, it's founding, it's relationship to the Masons, and had to stop myself as it was getting too disturbing.

I don't think 1 in a thousand are aware of the Apotheosis of George Washington, who exactly lady liberty and lady Columbia who sits atop the Capitol, the true meaning of the Washington monument and even the layout of D.C. is.

Fully agree......and most even when presented with the facts will deny, argue and bury their heads in the sand.....look at CC and even this thread as proof.....

 

[dcontroversal]

When you open a thread and say you will not argue it or even consider any other view. You pretty much destroyed your own thread. And when you do it in a bible discussion forum, it makes it even worse. (Unless it is a salvation or gospel thread)

I hate to really attack a brother, and say anythign against him, But I just must point that aspect out.

I have studied this same subject for about the same period. And everything you prey much said here, I can not agree with. But there is no need even trying to discuss this, Because as you said, You will never even consider another view.

Thats called having a closed mind.

I do not know what it is in CC that we have so many threads of people who have closed minds. Then want to discuss things which there can NEVER be a discussion. But it is really sad.

(For the view of others. He mentioned the capitol in DC. Remember, alot of the architecture in the early days followed roman archichitecture. Thats all it is.

There can only be one thing who restrains Satan (remember, the man of Sin/ son of perdition is satan) Now ehther you say that is the church as many say, (rapture) Or just that God on his trinity stops his own retraining work By taking away his own protective hands (which is part of the cause of the end times tribulation) And allows satan free reign, an mankind open or non restraining freedom to prety much do whatever they want, That is what it is..

Really don't care bro.....and argue is not discuss......and lest you forget...I was raised believing exactly what you believe....and even defended it......

 

[dcontroversal]

Although I agree with the premise of your post brother, that threads by definition are not blogs, and therefore should be accorded discussion that maybe differ with the OP, the substance is MORE than just wanted to look cool so we'll put Roman architecture everywhere.

Look at this perverse picture that adorns the ceiling of our Capital building!


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Chock full of wicked gods.

AMEN and the APOTHEOSIS of GEORGE Washington.....and like I said...the facts can be given and the heads in the sand will argue

 

[dcontroversal]

No one would deny this bro. Remember, The US was basically an english nation who fought against english rule. And again, Using roman architecture, Which by definition would follow roman culture and beliefs, so it should also not surprise us that they use their stuff

You ever visit a catholic church or cathedral? You pretty mush see the same type of idols and wicked things, all in the name of CHRIST. But that does not prove she is the restrainer.

Who said she is the restrainer?

 

[dcontroversal]

Can you prove this?

I am open. (In fact I have changed my views about some end times stuff. Since i have been here)

Unless it is something I believe or have studied hey......!!!!!!!!!!

 

[dcontroversal]

And still wrong.



This is bogus, totally without merit, ignores context and audience relevance of the 1st century context.

And you said what exactly? NOTHING.....HOW about YOU ALL translate from GREEK the saying written in the OP......LITERALLY and then come back and quote a VERSE in CONTEXT that states VERBATIM the HOLY SPIRIT is restraining.....I WILL wait for ANY and or ALL to quote said verse....

 

[dcontroversal]

The Bible is perfectly clear that the only one who can (and does) restrain and rebuke Satan is God Himself (not even Michael the archangel can do that).

When the Father and the Son sent the Holy Spirit to earth, He was given several ministries, including that of restraining the devil. Therefore the Restrainer in 2 Thessalonians 2 is none other that the Holy Spirit. This earth would be unimaginably evil otherwise.

And since He indwells the saints, when the Church is raptured, the Holy Spirit is "taken out of the way". Just as He was sent to earth on the day of Pentecost, He returns to Heaven on the day of the Rapture. And this is the only way that Satan and the Antichrist may have unrestrained power and authority on earth for 3 1/2 years (42 months, 1260 days) as noted in Revelation 13.

And just as people were saved by grace before the coming of the Holy Spirit, they will be saved under the preaching of Moses and Elijah, and the Gospel being given worldwide by the flying angel during the reign of the Antichrist.

Go ahead and quote a VERSE that verbatim n context states it is the HOLY SPIRIT restraining the rise of the BEAST.....and then do like I said....ACTUALLY translate the statement in the OP from the GREEK and then PAY attention to exactly what I SAID in the OP about GOD and TIME....

 

[dcontroversal]

Nope it never was...it just used some of the principles of the Christianity

The 13 colonies were founded upon that principle, but the government wasn't.....

 

[dcontroversal]

SO........which one is from GOD.....

a. God is Spirit and they that worship him must worship him in SPIRIT and in TRUTH

b. Worship God as you please

 

[UnderGrace]

AMEN and the APOTHEOSIS of GEORGE Washington.....and like I said...the facts can be given and the heads in the sand will argue

This is fascinating topic for sure, I agree though many do struggle with this, however since I am not American I did find it easier to come to this knowledge without feeling betrayed/insulted or go into denial. LOL

 

[UnderGrace]

The 13 colonies were founded upon that principle, but the government wasn't.....

Not sure how you mean this?
The government never had Christian principles in mind when they framed the Constitution?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Really don't care bro.....and argue is not discuss......and lest you forget...I was raised believing exactly what you believe....and even defended it......

I guess I am at the point I do not care either. I guess expecting people to discuss scripture with a christlike attitude is too much to ask.

And who cares if you believed what I believed it does not mean your right, thats just another straw-man.

I am begining to see why people hate christians so much.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Unless it is something I believe or have studied hey......!!!!!!!!!!

Lol. I have studied for years. AND STILL people showed me some things which got me to question my belief. Thats why we are here. Or so I thought. I guess for many it is not why they are hear. And why this chatroom is starting to lose its effectiveness.

 

[dcontroversal]

Not sure how you mean this?
The government never had Christian principles in mind when they framed the Constitution?

The framers of the constitution were deist's, atheists etc.......Thomas Paine was such an anti-Christian that to his dying breath he had two witnesses by his bead to prove he went out denying Christ, George Washington was a deist, Ben Franklin said the idea of imputed righteousness was absurd etc....MOST have been taught we had Christian roots and that is as fr from the truth as it comes....EVERYONE will quote....the RIGHT to worship as we please or freedom of religion as proof....this is not what the bible teaches......we are NOT free to worship as we PLEASE......God defines the bounds of worship.....

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The 13 colonies were founded upon that principle, but the government wasn't.....

I do not think the government ever was. The 13 colonies wanted freedom from England. and since most people were christian (I guess a-lot of them were catholic so were they even really christian?)