APOTHEOSIS

[dcontroversal]

For almost 30 years now I have intensively studied the end.....I have poured thousands of hours into the study of the rise and fall of Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia, Greece, Rome and what Rome devolves into and then produces when it is IRON mixed with Clay....As I have studied the false gods associated with said kingdoms as well as the MEN that were chosen to lead the above mentioned KINGDOMS....one thing that began to stand out was the process they all went through which transformed them from mere men to Kings, Pharaohs, and Caesars with the ultimate goal of being worshiped as a god......this process became to be known as APOTHEOSIS or ABOVE GOD........Now what I have learned can be summed up in the following truths....

a. Satan told JESUS that ALL the KINGDOMS of the earth belong to him and he gives them to who he wills...Matthew 4:8-9, Luke 4:8-8
b. The kingdoms and leaders of the world either knowingly or ignorantly are involved in a mass conspiracy against God...Psalm 2
c. The false gods worshiped were real entities based upon what JESUS told the church at Pergamos...Revelation 2:13 <---Throne of ZEUS was located in Pergamos <--SATAN being ZEUS
d. Satan was Horus in Egypt, was BEL in Assyria, was Marduke in Babylon, was Merodach in Persia, was Jupiter then Zeus in GREECE, was ZEUS in ROME......and I will ADD ONE at the end of this thread.....
e. SATAN has been continually attempting to bring about the worship of himself in a MAN from day one......this concept took a whole new twist when Alexander the GREAT claimed to be the SON of ZEUS or the SON of GOD.........

I find this whole concept very deep as this is the final GOAL of Satan........and the ONLY reason this has not come to fruition is two fold.....

a. It is NOT time
b. God has hindered it because of A

NOW..........three observations I will make..........

1. I have concluded by the verbiage of 2nd Thessalonians 2 that it is time itself that is restraining the rise of the Man of SIN, the SON of PERDITION....Translate the words from the GREEK -->Only he that now letteth will let until he be taken out of the way. There is NOT one ounce of proof that it is the Holy Spirit and said SPIRIT being removed that causes this to take place even though that is the "GO TO" explanation ALWAYS GIVEN......

2. DID you all KNOW the capitol DOME in Washington D.C. portrays the APOTHEOSIS of GEORGE WASHINGTON? Probably NOT......Google it and stand amazed at this GENTILE world power that never was a so called Christian nation..........

3. I believe, based upon study, that the god who will be scrutinized, recognized, peddled, increased and forced to worship in the end by the BEAST and FALSE prophet will be ALLAH.......the 10 horns that arise will get conquered by the little horn as he conquers 3 of the 10 and will ultimately bring about the destruction of WESTERN GENTILE world power. THIS will lead to the 8th and final KINGDOM to rule over the MIDDLE EAST/WORLD and this kingdom will be ISLAMIC in nature and they will force the worship of their false god or lose your head........BOLDED -->words used in DANIEL........

I am fully persuaded of the above....I will not argue it......and I will gladly ALLOW the end to come and come what may.................

 

[cv5]

I would estimate that there will be a syncretistic chimera of sorts aggregating the various world religions that will manifest itself via a UFO/ET deception claiming that they are in fact the "gods" of old (this is the strong delusion). The man of sin will be openly promoted to be the god-man of the new glorious age.

Then all hell breaks loose.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

I have not studied the 'end times' as so many seem dedicated to do, but I avidly agree with your observations regarding the devil's desire to have worship.

it was that desire that got him booted out of heaven in the first place

I neither agree nor disagree with your summation regarding 'Allah' but it could be so. Muslims have certainly had their own 'diaspora' and that alone should give pause. a muslim who goes about tooting peace peace is not an actual muslim if they actually believe that

when times are good, people are lulled to sleep by too much food, entertainment and the fantasy it will stay that way

the way the world is, it seems like the behind the scenes activities are far greater than the casual observer would allow

the curtain on the devil's production will go up though. preparation is under way

 

[PennEd]

For almost 30 years now I have intensively studied the end.....I have poured thousands of hours into the study of the rise and fall of Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia, Greece, Rome and what Rome devolves into and then produces when it is IRON mixed with Clay....As I have studied the false gods associated with said kingdoms as well as the MEN that were chosen to lead the above mentioned KINGDOMS....one thing that began to stand out was the process they all went through which transformed them from mere men to Kings, Pharaohs, and Caesars with the ultimate goal of being worshiped as a god......this process became to be known as APOTHEOSIS or ABOVE GOD........Now what I have learned can be summed up in the following truths....

a. Satan told JESUS that ALL the KINGDOMS of the earth belong to him and he gives them to who he wills...Matthew 4:8-9, Luke 4:8-8
b. The kingdoms and leaders of the world either knowingly or ignorantly are involved in a mass conspiracy against God...Psalm 2
c. The false gods worshiped were real entities based upon what JESUS told the church at Pergamos...Revelation 2:13 <---Throne of ZEUS was located in Pergamos <--SATAN being ZEUS
d. Satan was Horus in Egypt, was BEL in Assyria, was Marduke in Babylon, was Merodach in Persia, was Jupiter then Zeus in GREECE, was ZEUS in ROME......and I will ADD ONE at the end of this thread.....
e. SATAN has been continually attempting to bring about the worship of himself in a MAN from day one......this concept took a whole new twist when Alexander the GREAT claimed to be the SON of ZEUS or the SON of GOD.........

I find this whole concept very deep as this is the final GOAL of Satan........and the ONLY reason this has not come to fruition is two fold.....

a. It is NOT time
b. God has hindered it because of A

NOW..........three observations I will make..........

1. I have concluded by the verbiage of 2nd Thessalonians 2 that it is time itself that is restraining the rise of the Man of SIN, the SON of PERDITION....Translate the words from the GREEK -->Only he that now letteth will let until he be taken out of the way. There is NOT one ounce of proof that it is the Holy Spirit and said SPIRIT being removed that causes this to take place even though that is the "GO TO" explanation ALWAYS GIVEN......

2. DID you all KNOW the capitol DOME in Washington D.C. portrays the APOTHEOSIS of GEORGE WASHINGTON? Probably NOT......Google it and stand amazed at this GENTILE world power that never was a so called Christian nation..........

3. I believe, based upon study, that the god who will be scrutinized, recognized, peddled, increased and forced to worship in the end by the BEAST and FALSE prophet will be ALLAH.......the 10 horns that arise will get conquered by the little horn as he conquers 3 of the 10 and will ultimately bring about the destruction of WESTERN GENTILE world power. THIS will lead to the 8th and final KINGDOM to rule over the MIDDLE EAST/WORLD and this kingdom will be ISLAMIC in nature and they will force the worship of their false god or lose your head........BOLDED -->words used in DANIEL........

I am fully persuaded of the above....I will not argue it......and I will gladly ALLOW the end to come and come what may.................

I started to go down that path at looking deeper into America, it's founding, it's relationship to the Masons, and had to stop myself as it was getting too disturbing.

I don't think 1 in a thousand are aware of the Apotheosis of George Washington, who exactly lady liberty and lady Columbia who sits atop the Capitol, the true meaning of the Washington monument and even the layout of D.C. is.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

For almost 30 years now I have intensively studied the end.....I have poured thousands of hours into the study of the rise and fall of Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia, Greece, Rome and what Rome devolves into and then produces when it is IRON mixed with Clay....As I have studied the false gods associated with said kingdoms as well as the MEN that were chosen to lead the above mentioned KINGDOMS....one thing that began to stand out was the process they all went through which transformed them from mere men to Kings, Pharaohs, and Caesars with the ultimate goal of being worshiped as a god......this process became to be known as APOTHEOSIS or ABOVE GOD........Now what I have learned can be summed up in the following truths....

a. Satan told JESUS that ALL the KINGDOMS of the earth belong to him and he gives them to who he wills...Matthew 4:8-9, Luke 4:8-8
b. The kingdoms and leaders of the world either knowingly or ignorantly are involved in a mass conspiracy against God...Psalm 2
c. The false gods worshiped were real entities based upon what JESUS told the church at Pergamos...Revelation 2:13 <---Throne of ZEUS was located in Pergamos <--SATAN being ZEUS
d. Satan was Horus in Egypt, was BEL in Assyria, was Marduke in Babylon, was Merodach in Persia, was Jupiter then Zeus in GREECE, was ZEUS in ROME......and I will ADD ONE at the end of this thread.....
e. SATAN has been continually attempting to bring about the worship of himself in a MAN from day one......this concept took a whole new twist when Alexander the GREAT claimed to be the SON of ZEUS or the SON of GOD.........

I find this whole concept very deep as this is the final GOAL of Satan........and the ONLY reason this has not come to fruition is two fold.....

a. It is NOT time
b. God has hindered it because of A

NOW..........three observations I will make..........

1. I have concluded by the verbiage of 2nd Thessalonians 2 that it is time itself that is restraining the rise of the Man of SIN, the SON of PERDITION....Translate the words from the GREEK -->Only he that now letteth will let until he be taken out of the way. There is NOT one ounce of proof that it is the Holy Spirit and said SPIRIT being removed that causes this to take place even though that is the "GO TO" explanation ALWAYS GIVEN......

2. DID you all KNOW the capitol DOME in Washington D.C. portrays the APOTHEOSIS of GEORGE WASHINGTON? Probably NOT......Google it and stand amazed at this GENTILE world power that never was a so called Christian nation..........

3. I believe, based upon study, that the god who will be scrutinized, recognized, peddled, increased and forced to worship in the end by the BEAST and FALSE prophet will be ALLAH.......the 10 horns that arise will get conquered by the little horn as he conquers 3 of the 10 and will ultimately bring about the destruction of WESTERN GENTILE world power. THIS will lead to the 8th and final KINGDOM to rule over the MIDDLE EAST/WORLD and this kingdom will be ISLAMIC in nature and they will force the worship of their false god or lose your head........BOLDED -->words used in DANIEL........

I am fully persuaded of the above....I will not argue it......and I will gladly ALLOW the end to come and come what may.................

When you open a thread and say you will not argue it or even consider any other view. You pretty much destroyed your own thread. And when you do it in a bible discussion forum, it makes it even worse. (Unless it is a salvation or gospel thread)

I hate to really attack a brother, and say anythign against him, But I just must point that aspect out.

I have studied this same subject for about the same period. And everything you prey much said here, I can not agree with. But there is no need even trying to discuss this, Because as you said, You will never even consider another view.

Thats called having a closed mind.

I do not know what it is in CC that we have so many threads of people who have closed minds. Then want to discuss things which there can NEVER be a discussion. But it is really sad.

(For the view of others. He mentioned the capitol in DC. Remember, alot of the architecture in the early days followed roman archichitecture. Thats all it is.

There can only be one thing who restrains Satan (remember, the man of Sin/ son of perdition is satan) Now ehther you say that is the church as many say, (rapture) Or just that God on his trinity stops his own retraining work By taking away his own protective hands (which is part of the cause of the end times tribulation) And allows satan free reign, an mankind open or non restraining freedom to prety much do whatever they want, That is what it is..

 

[eternally-gratefull]

One thing to remember

1. The american continent is not really mentioned in revelation.
2. The american continent had no part in Biblical times (all biblical happenings occured in the rest of the world)
3. 1/3 of the world will be destroyed by fire coming from heaven. Many believe this is the american continent being wiped out. And taken out of the way. (I happen to agree with this)
4. The prince who is to come come from ROME. And even if you consider the americas to be a type of rome. Europe, when it really unites. Will have financial, citizenship, and an army which would far surpass the capability of the US. The only rival would be China, Who will be said to have a million man army.

People like to rule europe out because it is just a bunch of nation states who are not united. Are old enemies. And have so many things which go against it. But they already have united their money (if the American dollar ever crashes. And the euro would take over, that alone would crush the US financial system, and in fact, they are trying to do this today) and then you bring the European army under one king, one commander, and make it united? I mean think of it. Unless the US would nuke europe and destroy it, Their armies can not even bring the middle east peace. Imagine if it had to fight a united european army, Plus russia (soviet union) and China.

The world would get its wish, the great arrogant and proud american system, which is hated by the whole world will be crushed.

 

[PennEd]

When you open a thread and say you will not argue it or even consider any other view. You pretty much destroyed your own thread. And when you do it in a bible discussion forum, it makes it even worse. (Unless it is a salvation or gospel thread)

I hate to really attack a brother, and say anythign against him, But I just must point that aspect out.

I have studied this same subject for about the same period. And everything you prey much said here, I can not agree with. But there is no need even trying to discuss this, Because as you said, You will never even consider another view.

Thats called having a closed mind.

I do not know what it is in CC that we have so many threads of people who have closed minds. Then want to discuss things which there can NEVER be a discussion. But it is really sad.

(For the view of others. He mentioned the capitol in DC. Remember, alot of the architecture in the early days followed roman archichitecture. Thats all it is.

There can only be one thing who restrains Satan (remember, the man of Sin/ son of perdition is satan) Now ehther you say that is the church as many say, (rapture) Or just that God on his trinity stops his own retraining work By taking away his own protective hands (which is part of the cause of the end times tribulation) And allows satan free reign, an mankind open or non restraining freedom to prety much do whatever they want, That is what it is..

Although I agree with the premise of your post brother, that threads by definition are not blogs, and therefore should be accorded discussion that maybe differ with the OP, the substance is MORE than just wanted to look cool so we'll put Roman architecture everywhere.

Look at this perverse picture that adorns the ceiling of our Capital building!




Chock full of wicked gods.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Although I agree with the premise of your post brother, that threads by definition are not blogs, and therefore should be accorded discussion that maybe differ with the OP, the substance is MORE than just wanted to look cool so we'll put Roman architecture everywhere.

Look at this perverse picture that adorns the ceiling of our Capital building!


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Chock full of wicked gods.

No one would deny this bro. Remember, The US was basically an english nation who fought against english rule. And again, Using roman architecture, Which by definition would follow roman culture and beliefs, so it should also not surprise us that they use their stuff

You ever visit a catholic church or cathedral? You pretty mush see the same type of idols and wicked things, all in the name of CHRIST. But that does not prove she is the restrainer.

 

[UnderGrace]

When you open a thread and say you will not argue it or even consider any other view. You pretty much destroyed your own thread. And when you do it in a bible discussion forum, it makes it even worse. (Unless it is a salvation or gospel thread)

I hate to really attack a brother, and say anythign against him, But I just must point that aspect out.

I have studied this same subject for about the same period. And everything you prey much said here, I can not agree with. But there is no need even trying to discuss this, Because as you said, You will never even consider another view.

Thats called having a closed mind.

I do not know what it is in CC that we have so many threads of people who have closed minds. Then want to discuss things which there can NEVER be a discussion. But it is really sad.

(For the view of others. He mentioned the capitol in DC. Remember, alot of the architecture in the early days followed roman archichitecture. Thats all it is.

There can only be one thing who restrains Satan (remember, the man of Sin/ son of perdition is satan) Now ehther you say that is the church as many say, (rapture) Or just that God on his trinity stops his own retraining work By taking away his own protective hands (which is part of the cause of the end times tribulation) And allows satan free reign, an mankind open or non restraining freedom to prety much do whatever they want, That is what it is..

I agree with most of what you state, however the neo classical design of the buildings in D.C. is more than copying Roman and Greek architecture, it is far more about the esoteric hidden meanings.

I am glad you mind is not closed EG

 

[UnderGrace]

Although I agree with the premise of your post brother, that threads by definition are not blogs, and therefore should be accorded discussion that maybe differ with the OP, the substance is MORE than just wanted to look cool so we'll put Roman architecture everywhere.

Look at this perverse picture that adorns the ceiling of our Capital building!


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Chock full of wicked gods.

PennEd I am glad you see it too!!
Things are not always as they seem.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I agree with most of what you state, however the neo classical design of the buildings in D.C. is more than copying Roman and Greek architecture, it is far more about the esoteric hidden meanings.

I am glad you mind is not closed EG

Can you prove this?

I am open. (In fact I have changed my views about some end times stuff. Since i have been here)

 

[eternally-gratefull]

By the way, About my first post.

It is one thing to open a thread, and say This is what I have studied and what I see, what does everything think, lets discuss it, Then welcome discussion and reply to those things,

It is another to say my mind is made up and no one here will change my view No mater what.

Talk about putting a hand in someone face!

 

[Nehemiah6]

There is NOT one ounce of proof that it is the Holy Spirit and said SPIRIT being removed that causes this to take place even though that is the "GO TO" explanation ALWAYS GIVEN......

The Bible is perfectly clear that the only one who can (and does) restrain and rebuke Satan is God Himself (not even Michael the archangel can do that).

When the Father and the Son sent the Holy Spirit to earth, He was given several ministries, including that of restraining the devil. Therefore the Restrainer in 2 Thessalonians 2 is none other that the Holy Spirit. This earth would be unimaginably evil otherwise.

And since He indwells the saints, when the Church is raptured, the Holy Spirit is "taken out of the way". Just as He was sent to earth on the day of Pentecost, He returns to Heaven on the day of the Rapture. And this is the only way that Satan and the Antichrist may have unrestrained power and authority on earth for 3 1/2 years (42 months, 1260 days) as noted in Revelation 13.

And just as people were saved by grace before the coming of the Holy Spirit, they will be saved under the preaching of Moses and Elijah, and the Gospel being given worldwide by the flying angel during the reign of the Antichrist.

 

[azamzimtoti]

For almost 30 years now I have intensively studied the end...

And still wrong.

I have concluded by the verbiage of 2nd Thessalonians 2 that it is time itself that is restraining the rise of the Man of SIN

This is bogus, totally without merit, ignores context and audience relevance of the 1st century context.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

And still wrong.



This is bogus, totally without merit, ignores context and audience relevance of the 1st century context.

This is even worse. Just attack, No actual discussion or showing why it is wrong, Just used his own VIEW to say another persons VIEW is wrong.

I am not sure why this debate causes such hate between people. It is sad.

 

[azamzimtoti]

This is even worse. Just attack, No actual discussion or showing why it is wrong

The Op did not want debate as far as I understood it.

I am not sure why this debate causes such hate between people. It is sad.

Since when did calling out a bogus interpretation come to be considered hate?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The Op did not want debate as far as I understood it.



Since when did calling out a bogus interpretation come to be considered hate?

Well since many think your interpretation is bogus.... Yeah I think you get the point. You both could be wrong, then what?

 

[UnderGrace]

Can you prove this?

I am open. (In fact I have changed my views about some end times stuff. Since i have been here)

Depends upon what level of proof you need...I think it would be more a matter of evidence than proof, but I can try.

 

[UnderGrace]

And still wrong.



This is bogus, totally without merit, ignores context and audience relevance of the 1st century context.

When I understood audience relevance and the expressive style of the ancient languages....it was a game changer!!

 

[UnderGrace]

Well since many think your interpretation is bogus.... Yeah I think you get the point. You both could be wrong, then what?

Well then we would have error refuting error....however when one considers audience relevance and the time stamps and scripture interpreting scripture, Azam's interpretation seems to follow this more closely.