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Assurance, for helm of salvation
Breastplate of Christ righteousness
Shield of faith
For apologetics ...
Sword
The Gospel shoes
And belt of Truth
And the verse of the day
1 Peter 3:15 of course
Breastplate of Christ righteousness
Shield of faith
For apologetics ...
Sword
The Gospel shoes
And belt of Truth
And the verse of the day
1 Peter 3:15 of course
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Hi Stones,
I wish this medium was more expansive. When we write thinking about one focus, and fill in the background
of our thinking, trying to convey our heart, often the reader can pick up on a different emphasis that the words
have, but we did not intend.
This is where patience, endurance, forgiveness come in. So I probably miss-understood your approach.
I am not into judging, but rather into 3 righteousness.
Righteousness by faith, righteousness of the heart, righteousness of action. And not looking at things critically,
ie. does it fail, but rather does it succeed. Failure is a given, because we attempt things in a limited environment.
But success, blessing, expressions of appreciation, encouragement, meeting need, helping out, getting alongside,
being there, these are things of the Spirit and of life.
Anyway, God bless you, may we walk closer to our Lord and saviour as we learn to express His love and grace
to others, Amen.
I wish this medium was more expansive. When we write thinking about one focus, and fill in the background
of our thinking, trying to convey our heart, often the reader can pick up on a different emphasis that the words
have, but we did not intend.
This is where patience, endurance, forgiveness come in. So I probably miss-understood your approach.
I am not into judging, but rather into 3 righteousness.
Righteousness by faith, righteousness of the heart, righteousness of action. And not looking at things critically,
ie. does it fail, but rather does it succeed. Failure is a given, because we attempt things in a limited environment.
But success, blessing, expressions of appreciation, encouragement, meeting need, helping out, getting alongside,
being there, these are things of the Spirit and of life.
Anyway, God bless you, may we walk closer to our Lord and saviour as we learn to express His love and grace
to others, Amen.
There is a lot of miss-used theology and life experience here.
Destroying ones faith, falling into deception, being overcome with various convictions, following satan,
stumbling in carnal desires are things that happened to the church and so they expressed verses to cover
these situations.
My foundation is in the cross, in brotherly love, in the salvation that flows from the blood of Christ.
But it is the final goal that determines the difference between the reprobates and those who hold to the
Lord being filled with the Holy Spirit.
Two phrases stick with me most recently.
10 Whoever loves his brother lives in the light, and there is nothing in him to make him stumble.
1 John 2
10 For if you do these things, you will never fall
2 Peter 1
These two verses imply security in our walk in our hearts, and the possibility of failure.
The point is simple, our eternal walk is in love, love that speaks from the depths of our beings
to the outermost parts of our lives.
The two greatest commandments are about love
27 Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind
Love your neighbour as yourself
Luke 10
Now this is our whole life. Now some claim love is not that important to the Christian.
Unfortunately they must not know God or His word to say this.
God is love.
Destroying ones faith, falling into deception, being overcome with various convictions, following satan,
stumbling in carnal desires are things that happened to the church and so they expressed verses to cover
these situations.
My foundation is in the cross, in brotherly love, in the salvation that flows from the blood of Christ.
But it is the final goal that determines the difference between the reprobates and those who hold to the
Lord being filled with the Holy Spirit.
Two phrases stick with me most recently.
10 Whoever loves his brother lives in the light, and there is nothing in him to make him stumble.
1 John 2
10 For if you do these things, you will never fall
2 Peter 1
These two verses imply security in our walk in our hearts, and the possibility of failure.
The point is simple, our eternal walk is in love, love that speaks from the depths of our beings
to the outermost parts of our lives.
The two greatest commandments are about love
27 Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind
Love your neighbour as yourself
Luke 10
Now this is our whole life. Now some claim love is not that important to the Christian.
Unfortunately they must not know God or His word to say this.
God is love.
2 Timothy 1:9-10
Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began, 10But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:
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Then its not eternal, it is conditional.
Reaping means reaping rewards.. Eternal life is not a reward, it is a gift. Do you understand the diffference?
Um no. People followed jesus, yet even in John 6, Jesus knew who believed and who did not believe, The people who departed departed because they lacked faith. Many people believe in jesus, bit they do not have faith in jesus
Do you understand the difference?
John also said he who sins has never seen or known. God, whoever is born of God can not sin.
People who are saved BY their NEW nature doeth righteousness.
People who are not saved BY their NATURE sins.
Again, do you know the difference?
Reaping means reaping rewards.. Eternal life is not a reward, it is a gift. Do you understand the diffference?
Um no. People followed jesus, yet even in John 6, Jesus knew who believed and who did not believe, The people who departed departed because they lacked faith. Many people believe in jesus, bit they do not have faith in jesus
Do you understand the difference?
John also said he who sins has never seen or known. God, whoever is born of God can not sin.
People who are saved BY their NEW nature doeth righteousness.
People who are not saved BY their NATURE sins.
Again, do you know the difference?
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Jesus is drawing everyone to Him 
He said so
He said so
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I did not say protestants call RCC members heretics The RCC itself is heretical. Big difference
The RCC itself is heretical. Big difference
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When discussion stops and delusion begins.
"he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting"
life everlasting - is eternal life - the verse says it is a result of sowing.
EG above is saying this is wrong, it is a gift not a result of some action. But to say this contradicts this scripture.
An honest approach would be to address this scripture and its meaning, if it is part of a belief system, but to just
claim it is saying something different than it is clearly saying is delusional.
But to admit eternal life is linked to behaviour change, or lack of it, is too shocking to face.
Put simply salvation is a walk with many parts, each one essential to the whole.
I doubt any sharing from those who so lightly dismiss Gods word.
"he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting"
life everlasting - is eternal life - the verse says it is a result of sowing.
EG above is saying this is wrong, it is a gift not a result of some action. But to say this contradicts this scripture.
An honest approach would be to address this scripture and its meaning, if it is part of a belief system, but to just
claim it is saying something different than it is clearly saying is delusional.
But to admit eternal life is linked to behaviour change, or lack of it, is too shocking to face.
Put simply salvation is a walk with many parts, each one essential to the whole.
I doubt any sharing from those who so lightly dismiss Gods word.
People are all going to hell, only Gods people have the light, and through their witness are people
brought into the Kingdom.
Sadly the idea there is a deep enemy who are snatching the saved to hell is just deception.
Those without the Holy Spirit are lost, without hope.
Our calling is to shine the light of Jesus's love to show others how He works in this world
through His people, and how His life is more precious than anything else anyone could ever have.
Amen, thank you Jesus.
brought into the Kingdom.
Sadly the idea there is a deep enemy who are snatching the saved to hell is just deception.
Those without the Holy Spirit are lost, without hope.
Our calling is to shine the light of Jesus's love to show others how He works in this world
through His people, and how His life is more precious than anything else anyone could ever have.
Amen, thank you Jesus.
as usual. a pile of works based, man-made opinion garbage, taking one snip of one verse out of one letter and building theology around it.
the same man who wrote " reap eternal life " also said " by grace you have been saved, it is not of yourself, it is a gift of God";
but, you would rather follow a silly, lying church creed that says you can walk just as He walked while still in the flesh.
some would rather just lie to themselves than face Biblical truth.
the same man who wrote " reap eternal life " also said " by grace you have been saved, it is not of yourself, it is a gift of God";
but, you would rather follow a silly, lying church creed that says you can walk just as He walked while still in the flesh.
some would rather just lie to themselves than face Biblical truth.
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Hi gb9,
You have followed EG in not addressing this verse. Using words like garbage, silly, lying church,
exposes your own dismissing the complexity of the issues involved.
Unless we walk in the light as He is in the light we dwell in darkness
5 This is the message we have heard from him and declare to you: God is light; in him there is no darkness at all.
6 If we claim to have fellowship with him yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not live by the truth.
7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus,
his Son, purifies us from all sin.
1 John 1
The whole point of walking with Jesus is staying in the light.
Anyone who desire to run to darkness and stay there does not know Him.
God is light.
What you are representing is what John, Peter and Paul had to face.
Those who desire to continue in sin talking about grace and forgiveness but not understanding purity and love.
It is all about the heart and purification of our inner life. Without this we do not know Jesus.
Jesus is a free gift of life, but that life if accepted has to be followed.
It is like a youngster being cleaned and told to stay clean, ignoring the advice and going out and doing
exactly the same things that caused them problems. Peter talks about
22 Of them the proverbs are true: "A dog returns to its vomit," and,
"A sow that is washed goes back to her wallowing in the mud."
2 Peter 2
These realities are either experienced or spoken about as if they a delusions. It shows where one stands,
by ones reaction to them. And I know I would rather raise the light of Gods revelation and word and face
the response than deny His salvation and grace that works in our hearts to righteousness and purity, Amen.
You have followed EG in not addressing this verse. Using words like garbage, silly, lying church,
exposes your own dismissing the complexity of the issues involved.
Unless we walk in the light as He is in the light we dwell in darkness
5 This is the message we have heard from him and declare to you: God is light; in him there is no darkness at all.
6 If we claim to have fellowship with him yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not live by the truth.
7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus,
his Son, purifies us from all sin.
1 John 1
The whole point of walking with Jesus is staying in the light.
Anyone who desire to run to darkness and stay there does not know Him.
God is light.
What you are representing is what John, Peter and Paul had to face.
Those who desire to continue in sin talking about grace and forgiveness but not understanding purity and love.
It is all about the heart and purification of our inner life. Without this we do not know Jesus.
Jesus is a free gift of life, but that life if accepted has to be followed.
It is like a youngster being cleaned and told to stay clean, ignoring the advice and going out and doing
exactly the same things that caused them problems. Peter talks about
22 Of them the proverbs are true: "A dog returns to its vomit," and,
"A sow that is washed goes back to her wallowing in the mud."
2 Peter 2
These realities are either experienced or spoken about as if they a delusions. It shows where one stands,
by ones reaction to them. And I know I would rather raise the light of Gods revelation and word and face
the response than deny His salvation and grace that works in our hearts to righteousness and purity, Amen.
In the years I spoke to non-believers, it seems to be a sad fact that the most hostile and adamantly opposed to religion and Christianity were former Roman Catholics It was one more thing I could relate to others on Comprehending how Roman Catholicism is at variance with Protestantism is therefore an important part of understanding apologetics.
It was one more thing I could relate to others on Comprehending how Roman Catholicism is at variance with Protestantism is therefore an important part of understanding apologetics. -
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1 John 2:6- He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
1 John 4:17- Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.
Important Note- These are not talking about sinless perfection in walk, (an attribute that can only be said of Jesus' earthly walk), but Christlikeness in walk
1 John 4:17- Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.
Important Note- These are not talking about sinless perfection in walk, (an attribute that can only be said of Jesus' earthly walk), but Christlikeness in walk
In the years I spoke to non-believers, it seems to be a sad fact that the most hostile and adamantly opposed to religion and Christianity were former Roman Catholics It was one more thing I could relate to others on Comprehending how Roman Catholicism is at variance with Protestantism is therefore an important part of understanding apologetics.
It was one more thing I could relate to others on Comprehending how Roman Catholicism is at variance with Protestantism is therefore an important part of understanding apologetics.
I only know of stereotypes of atheists
I did not know that they were formerly Roman Catholic
You NEED to read Matthew 7:13-20 FIRST, then read the rest. THAT IS MY WHOLE POINT.
It is Not THAT you KEEP doing the things he says, IT IS WHY YOU KEEP DOING THE THINGS HE SAYS. If it is not PURELY OUT OF LOVE FOR HIM, YOU DO NOT KNOW HIM.
NOTICE THE ONES WHO TRIED TO ENTER BASED ON THEIR WORKS, WITHOUT THE CORRECT MOTIVE:
Matthew 7:22 (HCSB)
22 On that day many will say to Me, ‘Lord, Lord, didn’t we prophesy in Your name, drive out demons in Your name, and do many miracles in Your name?’
WORKS WITHOUT THE CORRECT MOTIVE OF LOVE FOR HIM, ARE A BIG PILE OF FILTHY RAGS. And you do not want to know what the filth is on those rags.
That I NEVER KNEW YOU, is a reference to the inner, personal, LOVE, relationtionship, with the LORD meaning MASTER, that only comes through the BORN AGAIN relationship, where the Holy Spirit comes into you heart (human spirit) to birth your human spirit, bringing it into eternal life, pouring GOD's LOVE directly into your heart (Rom. 5:5) where your human spirit resides.
No amount of righteous Deeds can SAVE YOU, unless you willingly surrender to HIM first OUT OF LOVE FOR HIM, the ONLY pure MOTIVE that GOD VALUES. Therefore you are SAVED before the deeds of righteousness.
Isaiah 64:6 (NIV)
6 All of us have become like one who is unclean, and all our righteous acts are like filthy rags; we all shrivel up like a leaf, and like the wind our sins sweep us away.
1 Chronicles 28:9 (NIV)
9 "And you, my son Solomon, acknowledge the God of your father, and serve him with wholehearted devotion and with a willing mind, for the LORD searches every heart and understands every motive behind the thoughts. If you seek him, he will be found by you; but if you forsake him, he will reject you forever.
1 Chronicles 29:17 (NJB)
17 ‘Knowing, my God, how you examine our motives and how you delight in integrity, with integrity of motive I have willingly given all this and have been overjoyed to see your people, now present here, willingly offering their gifts to you.
Romans 8:27 (NRSV)
27 And God, who searches the heart, knows what is the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for the saints according to the will of God.
Revelation 2:23 (ESV)
23 . . . And all the churches will know that I am he who searches mind and heart, and I will give to each of you according to your works.
2 Timothy 1:9 (CSBBible)
9 He has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began.
So do you serve the LORD out of a sense of Duty, Mat. 7:22;
OR,
Do you serve HIM purely because you LOVE HIM, because HE SAVED YOU ? ? ?
It is Not THAT you KEEP doing the things he says, IT IS WHY YOU KEEP DOING THE THINGS HE SAYS. If it is not PURELY OUT OF LOVE FOR HIM, YOU DO NOT KNOW HIM.
NOTICE THE ONES WHO TRIED TO ENTER BASED ON THEIR WORKS, WITHOUT THE CORRECT MOTIVE:
Matthew 7:22 (HCSB)
22 On that day many will say to Me, ‘Lord, Lord, didn’t we prophesy in Your name, drive out demons in Your name, and do many miracles in Your name?’
WORKS WITHOUT THE CORRECT MOTIVE OF LOVE FOR HIM, ARE A BIG PILE OF FILTHY RAGS. And you do not want to know what the filth is on those rags.
That I NEVER KNEW YOU, is a reference to the inner, personal, LOVE, relationtionship, with the LORD meaning MASTER, that only comes through the BORN AGAIN relationship, where the Holy Spirit comes into you heart (human spirit) to birth your human spirit, bringing it into eternal life, pouring GOD's LOVE directly into your heart (Rom. 5:5) where your human spirit resides.
No amount of righteous Deeds can SAVE YOU, unless you willingly surrender to HIM first OUT OF LOVE FOR HIM, the ONLY pure MOTIVE that GOD VALUES. Therefore you are SAVED before the deeds of righteousness.
Isaiah 64:6 (NIV)
6 All of us have become like one who is unclean, and all our righteous acts are like filthy rags; we all shrivel up like a leaf, and like the wind our sins sweep us away.
1 Chronicles 28:9 (NIV)
9 "And you, my son Solomon, acknowledge the God of your father, and serve him with wholehearted devotion and with a willing mind, for the LORD searches every heart and understands every motive behind the thoughts. If you seek him, he will be found by you; but if you forsake him, he will reject you forever.
1 Chronicles 29:17 (NJB)
17 ‘Knowing, my God, how you examine our motives and how you delight in integrity, with integrity of motive I have willingly given all this and have been overjoyed to see your people, now present here, willingly offering their gifts to you.
Romans 8:27 (NRSV)
27 And God, who searches the heart, knows what is the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for the saints according to the will of God.
Revelation 2:23 (ESV)
23 . . . And all the churches will know that I am he who searches mind and heart, and I will give to each of you according to your works.
2 Timothy 1:9 (CSBBible)
9 He has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began.
So do you serve the LORD out of a sense of Duty, Mat. 7:22;
OR,
Do you serve HIM purely because you LOVE HIM, because HE SAVED YOU ? ? ?
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