Not By Works

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The CHORUS of this Chris Tomlin Song is:

I OWE ALL TO YOU, JESUS.

Some people must keep their mouths shut, if this song comes up in Church, or

They Change the words to:

I OWE SOME TO YOU, AND MOST OF MY SALVATION TO ME! -- Which is absolute ERROR.

Yes, this song came up today in Church:



What part of I OWE ALL TO YOU, JESUS, do they not understand ? ? ?
 
dcontroversal said:
Does not matter....a son is a son by birth whether 1 second old or 100 years old..............there is no such thing as growing into being a son......it is instant at birth......and you should know better than to imply that I do not or have not studied the words........I have only said 1000 times on this site that I study EVERY WORD from the Greek or Hebrew.........

EVEN NOW are we the SONS of GOD, but it doth not yet appear what we shall be.

And sanctification is used in a dual manner......one is INSTANT at the moment of salvation and has positionally designated us IN CHRIST.....and of course you know the second aspect is indicative of our walk and subject to the transformation that takes place as described in Romans 12

Ever since I have taken a stand against the modern charismatic movement that has nothing to do with God you have really changed your attitude toward me........tragic because I am not your enemy!
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Just something for you to think about. That scripture is actually saying that the sons haven't yet manifested.


Jn 3:2　 Beloved,G27 nowG3568 areG2070 we the sonsG5043 of God,G2316 andG2532

all born into the kingdom of heaven, but the kingdom of God is the rule of Christ within our life. There's the defining of children to Sons. And it certainly does take growth because become as little children to enter is immaturity, babes.

it doth not yetG3768 appearG5319 whatG5101 we shall be:G2071

It's not yet rendered apparent, or the Sons have not yet manifested in the earth.


Rom 8:18　 For I know with certainty that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the coming glory which shall be manifested in us.


Rom 8:19　 For the earnest hope of the creatures waits for the manifestation of the sons of God.


Rom 8:20　 For the creatures were subjected to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who has subjected them,


Rom 8:21　 with the hope that the same creatures shall be delivered from the slavery of corruption into the glorious liberty of the sons of God.

butG1161 we knowG1492 that,G3754 whenG1437 he shall appear,G5319 we shall beG2071 likeG3664 him;G846 forG3754 we shall seeG3700 himG846 asG2531 he is.G2076


1Jn 3:3　 AndG2532 every manG3956 that hathG2192 thisG5026 hopeG1680 inG1909 himG846 purifiethG48 himself,G1438 even asG2531 heG1565 isG2076 pure.G53


I said that sons means "we will pay a price". That is a root of the words that make up "sons".



Rom 8:16　 For the same Spirit bears witness unto our spirit that we are sons of God,

Rom 8:17　 and if sons, also heirs certainly of God and joint-heirs with Christ, if so be that we suffer with him that we may be also glorified together with him.


Security of entrance into heaven is for all. That is His blood sacrifice. But, we all have different walks. A different call if you will.

Sonship is something I was taught early on yet didn't understand even these basic truths. Whether or not I will be one to manifest this remains to be seen. His glory! Either here or there though, we all will be filled.

I am rather fond of you Decon. You can say all you want about the charismatics. If affects me in no way. I'm founded on the truth of Pentecost, and can't be shook. Same with EG. :)
 
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theanointedwinner said:
I can also ask @posthuman

And mathematically, humans are finite, God is infinite

And some calculus, finite/infinite = zero

Hence man contribute nothing for God's infinite work of salvation

And for man to think they contribute to anything at all would overestimate themselves

Do the math, saved by grace, not by works
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Faith plus works for salvation or to keep salvation = ZERO............as well as making the MANY group that gets cast.....!!!
 
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Why can't this world be perfect?
Because of sin in Genesis 3

Why must affliction exist in Romans 12:12
Sin in Genesis 3

And why do "needs" have to exist? We are not in heaven yet
 
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dcontroversal said:
I see we have another resident coward plastering negatives all over the thread.......day of reckoning is coming for these fools.....
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Just another dead works faith person showing what kind of works their dead faith produces and what kind of spirit they have.

Psalm 33:13-14
The LORD looks down from heaven;

He sees all the sons of men.

14From His dwelling place He gazes

on all who inhabit the earth.
 
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dcontroversal said:
Faith plus works for salvation or to keep salvation = ZERO............as well as making the MANY group that gets cast.....!!!
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Like you said, he and his rude comments are back. He even post a rude feedback on the Chris Tomlin video
I OWE ALL TO YOU, JESUS.


So he must be one that expects his works for righteousness to count as part of his salvation.

To bad when they find out that there works will ALL COUNT FOR NONE OF THEIR SALVATION.
 
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Mr. @VCO

You were a farm boy

Is there a reason, after farming tool soften soil, after seed is planted, when soil with seed inside is being watered, the water hardens the soil that the seed is inside, is there a reason why water hardens the soil?
 
VCO said:
Like you said, he and his rude comments are back. He even post a rude feedback on the Chris Tomlin video
I OWE ALL TO YOU, JESUS.


So he must be one that expects his works for righteousness to count as part of his salvation.

To bad when they find out that there works will ALL COUNT FOR NONE OF THEIR SALVATION.
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Exactly.......very sad day and bad day coming for him.....
 
dcontroversal said:
Faith plus works for salvation or to keep salvation = ZERO............as well as making the MANY group that gets cast.....!!!
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This is an interesting sentence "Faith + works"
It assumes by speaking this you can seperate Faith from its results. The results of faith show
its source. Apostle Peter was shocked when his love of Jesus, and the confusion of Jesus accepting
arrest, and submitting to death simply made no sense to a friend who knew Jesus would not die,
and victory was assured. But there he was denying Jesus, when he could be exposed and arrested
himself, while he was happy to see what was going to happen.

This broke him, so certain and yet so wrong. Faith is only true if it leads to life and has the right
direction. Yet some really believe faith can have whatever effect, and it is still right and true.
Once you say no, faith shows itself by the fruit of the Spirit in someones life, then Amen, welcome
brother and sister in Christ. What is sad is those who think there is a dispute here, when in truth,
something else is at play in some hearts.

Maybe the idea of belief, however expressed matters more than the reality in a believers heart, and
only the right signs matter. This seems to be a denial of what love really is, and wanting truth of
expression and real cleansing so people are truly walking in the Holy Spirit, and not just a religious
belief system. It is little wonder those who hate belief systems and fake expressions, might themselves
fall for the same deception. You know things are fake, when you accept everything is fake. Kind of poetic,
saying truth is actually admiting everything is fake. This is Christ is actually a lie. We are the speakers of
truth, because it is Christ in us calling out to the world bringing hope to the lost.
 
FollowHisSteps said:
This is an interesting sentence "Faith + works"
It assumes by speaking this you can seperate Faith from its results. The results of faith show
its source. Apostle Peter was shocked when his love of Jesus, and the confusion of Jesus accepting
arrest, and submitting to death simply made no sense to a friend who knew Jesus would not die,
and victory was assured. But there he was denying Jesus, when he could be exposed and arrested
himself, while he was happy to see what was going to happen.

This broke him, so certain and yet so wrong. Faith is only true if it leads to life and has the right
direction. Yet some really believe faith can have whatever effect, and it is still right and true.
Once you say no, faith shows itself by the fruit of the Spirit in someones life, then Amen, welcome
brother and sister in Christ. What is sad is those who think there is a dispute here, when in truth,
something else is at play in some hearts.

Maybe the idea of belief, however expressed matters more than the reality in a believers heart, and
only the right signs matter. This seems to be a denial of what love really is, and wanting truth of
expression and real cleansing so people are truly walking in the Holy Spirit, and not just a religious
belief system. It is little wonder those who hate belief systems and fake expressions, might themselves
fall for the same deception. You know things are fake, when you accept everything is fake. Kind of poetic,
saying truth is actually admiting everything is fake. This is Christ is actually a lie. We are the speakers of
truth, because it is Christ in us calling out to the world bringing hope to the lost.
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The bolded above sets forth the absolute truth that you are utterly confused about what I said.....and it is equally interesting how you left OFF half of my quote which reeks of dishonesty on your part PJ
 
Listen up
HereticsAreVileWorms:


God will not appreciate your sense of humor:


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Ephesians 5:4 (NASB)
4 and there must be no filthiness and silly talk, or coarse jesting, which are not fitting, but rather giving of thanks.

Romans 13:9-10 (NASB)
9 For this, "YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, YOU SHALL NOT MURDER, YOU SHALL NOT STEAL, YOU SHALL NOT COVET," and if there is any other commandment, it is summed up in this saying, "YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF."
10 Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.

Romans 12:14 (NASB)
14 Bless those who persecute you; bless and do not curse.

Romans 12:16-19 (NASB)
16 Be of the same mind toward one another; do not be haughty in mind, but associate with the lowly. Do not be wise in your own estimation.
17 Never pay back evil for evil to anyone. Respect what is right in the sight of all men.
18 If possible, so far as it depends on you, be at peace with all men.
19 Never take your own revenge, beloved, but leave room for the wrath of God, for it is written, "VENGEANCE IS MINE, I WILL REPAY," says the Lord.

Ephesians 5:11 (NASB)
11 Do not participate in the unfruitful deeds of darkness, but instead even expose them;

Titus 3:1-3 (NASB)
1 Remind them to be subject to rulers, to authorities, to be obedient, to be ready for every good deed,
2 to malign no one [Websters: Evil in nature, Vicious ill will], to be peaceable, gentle, showing every consideration for all men.
3 For we also once were foolish ourselves, disobedient, deceived, enslaved to various lusts and pleasures, spending our life in malice and envy, hateful, hating one another.

James 4:11 (NASB)
11 Do not speak against one another, brethren. . . .

1 Peter 3:10-11 (NASB)
10 For, "THE ONE WHO DESIRES LIFE, TO LOVE AND SEE GOOD DAYS, MUST KEEP HIS TONGUE FROM EVIL AND HIS LIPS FROM SPEAKING DECEIT.
11 "HE MUST TURN AWAY FROM EVIL AND DO GOOD; HE MUST SEEK PEACE AND PURSUE IT.

Hebrews 12:5-8 (NASB)
5 and you have forgotten the exhortation which is addressed to you as sons, "MY SON, DO NOT REGARD LIGHTLY THE DISCIPLINE OF THE LORD, NOR FAINT WHEN YOU ARE REPROVED BY HIM;
6 FOR THOSE WHOM THE LORD LOVES HE DISCIPLINES, AND HE SCOURGES EVERY SON WHOM HE RECEIVES."
7 It is for discipline that you endure; God deals with you as with sons; for what son is there whom his father does not discipline?
8 But if you are without discipline, of which all have become partakers, then you are illegitimate children and not sons.
 
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