Why Christians get a bad rap amongst the Jews...(an example)
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Should we pray for the peace of Jerusalem before ... or after it has conquered all those in possession of it's land ? Hmmmm ... what to do ? 
First we have a counterfeit temple which will be destroyed along with untold lives, then we will have the fourth Temple from which Jesus will reign along with the institution of the animal sacrifices once again.
(Walwoord eschatology)
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Mr. iamsosandso, me thinks you missed my point
I did not state "instead of" the point is to discern and rightly divide the word of God in a consistent way
I will state that Thess 4 "rapture theory" is an over literal/concrete reading of the passage, much like Paul's statement "If I speak in the tongues of men or of angels" is an over literal reading of the statement, a statement which is obviously stated in the superlative and a metaphor.
I did not state "instead of" the point is to discern and rightly divide the word of God in a consistent way
I will state that Thess 4 "rapture theory" is an over literal/concrete reading of the passage, much like Paul's statement "If I speak in the tongues of men or of angels" is an over literal reading of the statement, a statement which is obviously stated in the superlative and a metaphor.
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Why?
Prophesy is a foretelling of future events
Symbology is a figure whihc represents spiritual truths.
Jesus did not spiritually come to earth and spiritually die, so we can all be made clean by just believing and wishing on his symbolic death,
He literally died, The symbols were the OT sacrifices and temple, which should have led Israel, (and us) to christ.
Prophesy is a foretelling of future events
Symbology is a figure whihc represents spiritual truths.
Jesus did not spiritually come to earth and spiritually die, so we can all be made clean by just believing and wishing on his symbolic death,
He literally died, The symbols were the OT sacrifices and temple, which should have led Israel, (and us) to christ.
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Thats is one of the arguments to support futurism.
Using the past interpretatio of prophesy (literally fulfilled) to determine how the rst of prophesy shoudl be fulfilled
If the past was literal. Not symbolic. The future should follow suit.
if the past was symbolic, then the future should follow suit.
Using the past interpretatio of prophesy (literally fulfilled) to determine how the rst of prophesy shoudl be fulfilled
If the past was literal. Not symbolic. The future should follow suit.
if the past was symbolic, then the future should follow suit.
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Should we pray for the peace of Jerusalem before ... or after it has conquered all those in possession of it's land ? Hmmmm ... what to do ?
Nothing wrong with praying for peace anywhere, as long as you pray for it for everyone.
Then again, if your not praying for peace. Then you have issues which must be dealt with.
Should we pray for the peace of Jerusalem before ... or after it has conquered all those in possession of it's land ? Hmmmm ... what to do ?
Psalm 122:5-6 KJV
[5] For there are set thrones of judgment, the thrones of the house of David. [6] Pray for the peace of Jerusalem: they shall prosper that love thee.
1 Corinthians 16:22 KJV
[22] If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema Maranatha.
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Thats just it
Interpret prophesy as it should be interpreted (literal)
Interpret metaphor or parable or symbolic the way it should be interpreted.
But dont mix the too. Thats where you run into problems. (Yes I have seen some people try to interpet parables literally and play out the parables thinking it is from God.. )
Interpret prophesy as it should be interpreted (literal)
Interpret metaphor or parable or symbolic the way it should be interpreted.
But dont mix the too. Thats where you run into problems. (Yes I have seen some people try to interpet parables literally and play out the parables thinking it is from God.. )
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But the issue of God saying he will do something and then it literally, actually taking place from Genesis 1:1 up to ad70 you see as literally happening right? Things like the frogs and locust, waters turning to blood ect. and the first born in Egypt actually being dead the next morning except for those who had the blood of the Lamb on their doorpost you see as literal right?
I agree,,,I notice that those who argue spiritual fulfillment's only do so from ad70 onward in time but when speaking of the things from ad70 backward always see them being fulfilled litterally. If God from the begginning said he would do somthing and always litterally fulfilled it then after thousands of years of him doing so it is to convey that he does this in that manner.
Just a question......concerning the parable of the wheat and tares.....did not JESUS go on to explain the parable and the elements of the parable did indeed represent actual physical events, people, angels etc.....??
Reapers --ANGELS
Wheat --Children of the Kingdom
Tares---Children of the devil
Harvest ---The end of the world
etc....
Based upon the above, I would have to disagree with the hard fast rule that parables cannot be interpreted literally
Reapers --ANGELS
Wheat --Children of the Kingdom
Tares---Children of the devil
Harvest ---The end of the world
etc....
Based upon the above, I would have to disagree with the hard fast rule that parables cannot be interpreted literally
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Animal sacrifices will never be seen again in Christ's kingdom ... nor should they be. Jesus Christ set aside the first (OT animal sacrifices for sins) to establish the second (His perfect once and for all sacrifice of Himself).
Hebrews 10
Christ’s Sacrifice Once for All
10 The law is only a shadow of the good things that are coming—not the realities themselves. For this reason it can never, by the same sacrifices repeated endlessly year after year, make perfect those who draw near to worship. 2 Otherwise, would they not have stopped being offered? For the worshipers would have been cleansed once for all, and would no longer have felt guilty for their sins. 3 But those sacrifices are an annual reminder of sins. 4 It is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins.
5 Therefore, when Christ came into the world, he said:
“Sacrifice and offering you did not desire,
but a body you prepared for me;
6 with burnt offerings and sin offerings
you were not pleased.
7 Then I said, ‘Here I am—it is written about me in the scroll—
I have come to do your will, my God.’”
8 First he said, “Sacrifices and offerings, burnt offerings and sin offerings you did not desire, nor were you pleased with them”—though they were offered in accordance with the law. 9 Then he said, “Here I am, I have come to do your will.”He sets aside the first to establish the second. 10 And by that will, we have been made holy through the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
11 Day after day every priest stands and performs his religious duties; again and again he offers the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. 12 But when this priest had offered for all time one sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God, 13 and since that time he waits for his enemies to be made his footstool. 14 For by one sacrifice he has made perfect forever those who are being made holy.
Hebrews 10
Christ’s Sacrifice Once for All
10 The law is only a shadow of the good things that are coming—not the realities themselves. For this reason it can never, by the same sacrifices repeated endlessly year after year, make perfect those who draw near to worship. 2 Otherwise, would they not have stopped being offered? For the worshipers would have been cleansed once for all, and would no longer have felt guilty for their sins. 3 But those sacrifices are an annual reminder of sins. 4 It is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins.
5 Therefore, when Christ came into the world, he said:
“Sacrifice and offering you did not desire,
but a body you prepared for me;
6 with burnt offerings and sin offerings
you were not pleased.
7 Then I said, ‘Here I am—it is written about me in the scroll—
I have come to do your will, my God.’”
8 First he said, “Sacrifices and offerings, burnt offerings and sin offerings you did not desire, nor were you pleased with them”—though they were offered in accordance with the law. 9 Then he said, “Here I am, I have come to do your will.”He sets aside the first to establish the second. 10 And by that will, we have been made holy through the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
11 Day after day every priest stands and performs his religious duties; again and again he offers the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. 12 But when this priest had offered for all time one sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God, 13 and since that time he waits for his enemies to be made his footstool. 14 For by one sacrifice he has made perfect forever those who are being made holy.
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