Some truth about speaking in tongues, the Holy Ghost, spiritual gifts and 1 Corinthians 14
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I am discussing a man who supposedly threw a baby against a wall or to the ground, and I am sorry, But I do not believe the mans wife was raised. Not in that way, Jesus did not hold a body up and let it fall to the ground numerous times, He said, Get up and walk. Or wake up.
As for the healing. It was immediate. The girls was told the prognosis. The next time when she went in to be told the plan of attack to try to extend her life. The stuff was gone, The doctors claimed it was a miracle.
And many of us prayed that same prayer, it was not just one of us. So no one could boast. And many witnessed the power of God.
As for the healing. It was immediate. The girls was told the prognosis. The next time when she went in to be told the plan of attack to try to extend her life. The stuff was gone, The doctors claimed it was a miracle.
And many of us prayed that same prayer, it was not just one of us. So no one could boast. And many witnessed the power of God.
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At no time have I said or even hinted that those who believe in the gift of tongues are lost.
Salvation is a matter between God and each individual. No man has a right to judge another's salvation.
If you want to believe in what I believe to be heresy, that is between you and God, but when you began to proclaim it as truth and judge those who disagree as not having salvation, as many do, than My anger will be seen.
Salvation is a matter between God and each individual. No man has a right to judge another's salvation.
If you want to believe in what I believe to be heresy, that is between you and God, but when you began to proclaim it as truth and judge those who disagree as not having salvation, as many do, than My anger will be seen.
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Wigglesworth was used for healing in the same manner as the disciples when sent out to minister. Many, not just a few here and there. And are you now embellishing on the story? I suggest you read it from one who knew him.
But am not so sure now that you are asking in honesty. What I feel you are doing is throwing up a wall of defense and wanting to say you have as much power without the gifts. Is this so? But, ye shall receive power after Holy Spirit comes upon you. Did this happen?
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well if that were true
all the gifts are for Gods purposes
most if not all have stated that the actions in the videos you present are not proper yet you continually post as if we agreed with them
I actually do not believe you when you say the Lord can 'use tongues etc for his purposes'
what purposes and where? you deny praying in the spirit don't you? as others here do also
so that is a purpose of tongues but it is not in accordance with what you accept
just one thing. if someone is truly searching and all you have to offer is MacArthur that speaks loud and clear where you really stand
What you said at the last of your post is an accusation EG. Just because there are miracles and people tell them...isn't boasting. Wigglesworth was a humble man. And he glorified Jesus!
Am glad one was healed....but Holy Spirit wants to heal all. Just like Jesus. And in His name! If we all move in the power of Holy Spirit, then Jesus is glorified through His body.
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Who is accusing? That's the real question. Not all who understand the baptism of Holy Spirit. And what's the outcome. The means is more important than the result? That's twisted thinking.
I doubt he threw a baby to the ground as you would picture it. Was the baby hurt? If not then it wasn't by Wigglesworth. That's the point. The power of God was moving.
I doubt he threw a baby to the ground as you would picture it. Was the baby hurt? If not then it wasn't by Wigglesworth. That's the point. The power of God was moving.
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do you have to come out and say the actual words?
I don't find a difference between the 2
apparently, neither is correct. you can't take a stand on something and then say well what I said is not as bad
actually salvation is not between God and each individual. we are not islands floating around hoping for the best
don't put words in mouth regarding heresy. what Paul teaches on tongues is true and still happening today
your anger will be seen? do you have any idea of how silly that sounds?
I mean what does that even mean? nonsense
I don't find a difference between the 2
apparently, neither is correct. you can't take a stand on something and then say well what I said is not as bad
actually salvation is not between God and each individual. we are not islands floating around hoping for the best
don't put words in mouth regarding heresy. what Paul teaches on tongues is true and still happening today
your anger will be seen? do you have any idea of how silly that sounds?
I mean what does that even mean? nonsense
It would be great to see actual scriptures that backup your interpretation.
1. Jesus said a man must be born of water and Spirit to enter Heaven.
2. It is not normal for God to use different ways for individuals or groups to be saved. God's word will always and does confirm itself. If what you say is true, judgment day will be very interesting.
3. Not so. Peter said repent, and be baptized EVERYONE of you in the name of Jesus for the remission of sin and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. NOTICE: No comment about already receiving the gift. He said ye shall (future tense)
4. No. This occurred to show that all groups of people were to follow the example first presented to the Jews on the Day of Pentecost. All of mankind is made up of these groups; Jews, Gentiles, Samaritans. (half Jew-Half Gentile)
5. I disagree again. The disciples at Ephesus again were shown and followed the 3 things commanded after belief in Jesus' sacrifice.
This account debunks your belief that the Jewish, Gentile, an Samaritan experiences are only recorded to show they are included in God's salvation plan. The account depicts no specific group, but rather individuals receiving and acting upon the same message given by Peter.
6. The evidence of tongues at the infilling of the Holy Ghost differs from the Spiritual gift of tongues explained by Paul in 1 Corinthians. One provides evidence of the infilling providing a means of communicating with God's Spirit. The other is a gift given and interpreted for edification of the church body.
Jesus gave Peter the keys to the kingdom which he then presented on the Day of Pentecost. I could see you objecting to one not following commands in the Word; however, you disparage those who accept and act in obedience to the Word.
Very confusing.
1. Jesus said a man must be born of water and Spirit to enter Heaven.
2. It is not normal for God to use different ways for individuals or groups to be saved. God's word will always and does confirm itself. If what you say is true, judgment day will be very interesting.
3. Not so. Peter said repent, and be baptized EVERYONE of you in the name of Jesus for the remission of sin and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. NOTICE: No comment about already receiving the gift. He said ye shall (future tense)
4. No. This occurred to show that all groups of people were to follow the example first presented to the Jews on the Day of Pentecost. All of mankind is made up of these groups; Jews, Gentiles, Samaritans. (half Jew-Half Gentile)
5. I disagree again. The disciples at Ephesus again were shown and followed the 3 things commanded after belief in Jesus' sacrifice.
This account debunks your belief that the Jewish, Gentile, an Samaritan experiences are only recorded to show they are included in God's salvation plan. The account depicts no specific group, but rather individuals receiving and acting upon the same message given by Peter.
6. The evidence of tongues at the infilling of the Holy Ghost differs from the Spiritual gift of tongues explained by Paul in 1 Corinthians. One provides evidence of the infilling providing a means of communicating with God's Spirit. The other is a gift given and interpreted for edification of the church body.
Jesus gave Peter the keys to the kingdom which he then presented on the Day of Pentecost. I could see you objecting to one not following commands in the Word; however, you disparage those who accept and act in obedience to the Word.
Very confusing.
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I think you have seen the videos sis. Are you going to answer or not?
And you do not understand the baptism of the spirit. So I would probably suggest you stop thinking others do not.
So he probably did throw the baby to the ground. When did God ever do this sis?
So you honestly want to sit here and tell me you believe that was from God? When did God or any apostle do this in scripture?
Are you so desperate to defend anyone who agrees with you that you would stoop this low to say this is from God?
And you do not understand the baptism of the spirit. So I would probably suggest you stop thinking others do not.
So he probably did throw the baby to the ground. When did God ever do this sis?
So you honestly want to sit here and tell me you believe that was from God? When did God or any apostle do this in scripture?
Are you so desperate to defend anyone who agrees with you that you would stoop this low to say this is from God?
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No, I am reading your post and using science. (Something you seem to be missing)
I worked in the medical field. And did quite a few years in orthopedics. I understand what happens to a body that falls to the ground,
Once again, Did God or any of the apostles us this method to heal people, Or did they just pray for them, and sometimes lay hands on them?
I worked in the medical field. And did quite a few years in orthopedics. I understand what happens to a body that falls to the ground,
Once again, Did God or any of the apostles us this method to heal people, Or did they just pray for them, and sometimes lay hands on them?
I cannot begin to count the times I have told you that one does not have to be water baptized first to then receive the Holy Ghost afterward.
The Word records some people getting the Holy Ghost first and afterward getting baptized in water. Acts 2 and 10
And, there are times when people get water baptized first. Acts 8 and 19
The point is both water and Holy Ghost baptisms occurred in all cases.
The Word records some people getting the Holy Ghost first and afterward getting baptized in water. Acts 2 and 10
And, there are times when people get water baptized first. Acts 8 and 19
The point is both water and Holy Ghost baptisms occurred in all cases.